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You can’t get a driving licence, driving test or a passport

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daimbarsatemydogsbone · 13/05/2022 10:14

So Boris plans to cut 90000 civil service jobs.

How does he think this will help?

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ThreeB · 13/05/2022 19:32

Testina · 13/05/2022 18:12

I dislike the Tories as much as the next sensible person.
But did I read correctly that a 91,000 cut takes the CS back to 2016 levels?
Why the fuck have the CS needed to add 91,000 in 8 years?
Private sector, huge company, massive growth in last 8+ years, very small additional headcount.

The CS workforce in 2016 was the smallest it had been since WW2. Prior to 2010, it numbered nearly 500,000.

noborisno · 13/05/2022 20:59

What if Boris, or his bosses, don't want us to have driving licenses or passports?

Autumndays123 · 13/05/2022 22:27

Badbadbunny · 13/05/2022 11:08

HMRC timescales are so long mostly because of the sheer volume of mistakes their staff make in the first place. A huge number of the phone calls and letters they receive will be from people trying to correct mistakes made by HMRC.

I'm an accountant and have seen the competence levels of HMRC staff fall drastically over the years. If they did the job properly in the first place, they'd receive a mere fraction of the number of calls/letters they have to deal with.

And yet it is the constant 'mistakes' in tax returns that accountants have either made themselves or failed to spot (more likely not interested) that leads to billions of pounds in lost tax a year and the very reason we have HMRC 🤷🏼‍♀️

ContactMeFirst · 13/05/2022 22:34

ThreeB · 13/05/2022 17:33

So we'll take 91000 CS roles and end up contracturising them. My team is operating at 60% of our actual headcount because of so called workforce efficiencies. More work keeps getting place on us so I'm spending hundreds of thousands on contractors to try and get key programmes across the line. A contractor costs me triple what a CS post does!

The Government would soon change their tune if they had to report contractor spending in Departments rather than just CS numbers

Absolutely! It’s all smoke and mirrors

Changechangychange · 13/05/2022 22:40

Canyouengineerfreespeech · 13/05/2022 11:04

Varies massively from department to department. In some people work incredibly hard, lots of unpaid overtime, low pay - particularly junior civil servants in the London area many of whom struggle to make ends meet while paying rent, commuting costs and student loans from not particularly good starting salaries.

But the DVLA is dominated by the Public and Commercial Services Union which has been using Covid as an excuse to work to rule. Hard left, pro Corbyn their agenda is overtly political. So I would not be sorry to see them privatised. Privatisation will probably cost more in the longer term though.

I used to work in the Civil Service and of course there is some slack in the system. But when I moved to the private sector I tripled my salary overnight and did not find myself working any harder than I had done before.

And the fact that you moved to the private sector and your wages tripled is exactly why places like the civil service, county councils and the NHS have shit admin staff. People who are able, usually move on to better things, leaving the incompetent ones in a job that might be badly paid but which is hard to be sacked from.

I work in a London teaching hospital. Our lower-grade admin staff are appalling - our outpatient manager “doesn’t really understand computers”, her boss does literally no work unless you stand over him, and her admin team don’t even close out clinics reliably, let alone anything else.

But they are paid NMW, in central London. You are clearly not going to attract highfliers - we had one super-competent manager pre-pandemic, and she went to work for a private hospital after a year, at twice the pay and half the stress. Our senior managers, on a decent salary, are perfectly competent.

lljkk · 14/05/2022 08:34

iirc, US govt used to have (1940s-60s) a philosophy of paying for the best people. Then new ideas came in that govt should never pinch best people from private sector. That meant public sector had to pay less than private. So... there we are. Public sector (including universities) are training ground for private sector. Then public sector has to compete by offering higher job security (potential sinecures) & better pensions, but now those have been eroded too. What's that leave, proximity to centre of power?

All distorted by insistence that public sector salaries shouldn't compete with private sector.

CalmerCalmerChameleon · 14/05/2022 09:45

My new passport arrived this week. Took 3 weeks.

Walkaround · 14/05/2022 10:19

A poorly functioning civil service is a sign of an exceptionally bad employer and poor management - low morale, bullying atmosphere, corrupt leadership. Who would want to return to the office in that case? So the buck stops at Boris Johnson and the Government who set the example for those who carry out the work for them; namely say one thing, do another, have no respect for proper procedure, evade responsibility, and make no real effort to carry out promises you know are not founded in any sense of reality, but just plucked out of the air for the soundbytes. What is the attraction any more of public service? You don’t get paid enough to set higher standards than the fat cats above you, and their standards are in the gutter.

Redwinemaestro · 14/05/2022 12:13

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 13/05/2022 13:49

Surely someone in every workforce has to be mediocre?

The low productivity in the UK is caused by long hours and insufficient people for the work - France's productivity soared when they introduced the 35 hour week.

It's not about 'someone' in every workforce being mediocre. It's the scale of mediocrity in public sector including civil service. It's difficult to get rid of slackers due to unionism and all that. I'm an academic and I see mediocre academics who don't turn up lectures, who don't complete marking on time, who don't produce any research outputs, affects team morale, but difficult to get rid of. I've felt that leadership in general is too spineless in the UK

CalmerCalmerChameleon · 14/05/2022 13:07

It's difficult to get rid of slackers

What are these slackers in the civil service? What are they doing exactly? What are they supposed to be doing?

dadadeedadada · 14/05/2022 13:16

We had hell trying to get DS a license. They sent it back twice saying that he hadn't provided ID. He had, photo verified and his birth certificate. He applied in November 21 and may 22 he finally gets it. The knock on effect meant he couldn't open a bank account and therefore lost his first ever job before it started. But yeah, working from homes going really well, really productive.

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