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You can’t get a driving licence, driving test or a passport

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daimbarsatemydogsbone · 13/05/2022 10:14

So Boris plans to cut 90000 civil service jobs.

How does he think this will help?

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Overthewine · 13/05/2022 11:47

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Mamadothehump · 13/05/2022 11:55

Well the passport scaremongering is bollocks in my experience. Applied for 3 renewals (1 adult, 2 children) on 24/4 and sent old ones back the next day. Received 2 back 12 days later and the 3rd one yesterday 🤷‍♀️

MollyQueenOfSocks · 13/05/2022 12:15

Am I the only one that saw he wanted both PO and DVLA privatised??? Even on Twitter no one has made the connection. It's so blindingly obvious that it's part of the plan to make that happen!

Fuck the Tories.

Mrsherdwick · 13/05/2022 12:22

@Badbadbunny agree 100% with your comment.

Brefugee · 13/05/2022 12:47

Varies massively from department to department. In some people work incredibly hard, lots of unpaid overtime, low pay - particularly junior civil servants in the London area many of whom struggle to make ends meet while paying rent, commuting costs and student loans from not particularly good starting salaries.
But the DVLA is dominated by the Public and Commercial Services Union which has been using Covid as an excuse to work to rule. Hard left, pro Corbyn their agenda is overtly political. So I would not be sorry to see them privatised. Privatisation will probably cost more in the longer term though.

I fail to see how one lot of workers who have shit pay and T&Cs should be the benchmark for how all other workers should be treated.
If you are such a union hater, give up all the benefits they have won for you (weekends, public holidays etc etc)

notanotherbloodystreetparty · 13/05/2022 12:52

91000 more people needing to use the food bank and universal credit.

91000 more people not paying tax not buying a pret sandwich or a season ticket

Who the hell thinks that mass redundancies is the basis of economic recovery? Dangerous idiots.

wonderstuff · 13/05/2022 12:53

i suspect the only way to do this is to privatise sections, which rarely improves services and often makes things worse. Very unlikely to save any money either, although might make their mates at Capita a few bob.

notanotherbloodystreetparty · 13/05/2022 12:54

Obviously job creation is how a government boosts the economy, not job destruction.

I guess the government will just re-create the jobs and give them to their friends donors in the private sector.

Farawayfromhere · 13/05/2022 12:54

I updated my driving licence online on Monday and got the new one today! So quick. Although clearly this is not the point & many people are having issues with lots of things.

notanotherbloodystreetparty · 13/05/2022 12:55

x-post wonderstuff.

yes, maybe it is back-door privatisation.

Shame about those 91000 real people needing the food bank and UC, while Tory donors get big contracts that they fill with unskilled people on minimum wages.

wonderstuff · 13/05/2022 12:56

Mamadothehump · 13/05/2022 11:55

Well the passport scaremongering is bollocks in my experience. Applied for 3 renewals (1 adult, 2 children) on 24/4 and sent old ones back the next day. Received 2 back 12 days later and the 3rd one yesterday 🤷‍♀️

Read an article saying passport back log is mainly passports with minor errors on application, a private firm has been subcontracted to deal with them and they are seriously short staffed.

Redwinemaestro · 13/05/2022 13:14

I feel that there must be more cuts. Productivity in the UK generally is low compared to other countries. It would be great to fire the slackers in the civil service. I don't want my tax money to feed staff whose core competence is mediocrity.

Zilla1 · 13/05/2022 13:17

I expect if forced to then Capita Serco TCS Infosys might pick up the slack after outsourcing. The Chancellor might recuse himself so all's above board.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 13/05/2022 13:49

Redwinemaestro · 13/05/2022 13:14

I feel that there must be more cuts. Productivity in the UK generally is low compared to other countries. It would be great to fire the slackers in the civil service. I don't want my tax money to feed staff whose core competence is mediocrity.

Surely someone in every workforce has to be mediocre?

The low productivity in the UK is caused by long hours and insufficient people for the work - France's productivity soared when they introduced the 35 hour week.

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Zilla1 · 13/05/2022 14:01

@daimbarsatemydogsbone don't forget relative under-investment and relatively low-skilled workforces.

I vaguely recall how much American General Electric were lauded for firing their bottom X% of performers. Their Chief Executive wrote books and everything. Need to check as haven't heard as much about them or him recently. Must just be the woke business press not celebrating success.

Nat6999 · 13/05/2022 14:05

Hospedia yes the pay in the lower grades of the Civil Service is so poor that when the NMW was introduced AA grades had to have a pay increase because their pay was under the hourly rate of the NMW. You can bet that they will do anything they can to not have to pay redundancy, when the office I worked in closed staff were told they either moved to offices 50 miles away, moved departments or only got reduced term severance pay.

iklboo · 13/05/2022 14:09

He should start with himself & his cronies.

ScreamingMeMe · 13/05/2022 14:12

Wizzbangfizz · 13/05/2022 10:34

I work in the civil service and the waste and inefficiency is staggering - the axe could fall a lot harder in my opinion. I’ve worked across several departments and some of the jobs for life brigade who are rewarded for doing literally the bare minimum makes me sick. I was private sector for quite a few years and the difference between the two is night and day.

Whilst that may be true (and actually having spent some time in the civil service, I know that it is), axing 90000 jobs seems like a blunt instrument. They'd be better off hiring some troubleshooters or something imo.

90000 redundancies is horrendous!

Zilla1 · 13/05/2022 14:13

There are some roles that cannot be slimmed down. Aren't the PM, Liz Truss and others still using several photographers to post to their official Flickr? account and single handedly, single governmentally?? trying to ensure Flickr doesn't become irrelevant?

FatOaf · 13/05/2022 14:14

So Boris plans to cut 90000 civil service jobs.
How does he think this will help?

Why would Boris Johnson care whether you can get a driving licence or passport? How much have you donated to The Party?

Zilla1 · 13/05/2022 14:15

It is entirely unfair to say the surprisingly round % number has been announced to take the oxygen out of the room concerning 50? penalty notices or the cost of living crisis?

rooinspace · 13/05/2022 14:15

Hospedia · 13/05/2022 10:45

In 2004 there were 534,000 fte civil servants.

By June 2016 there were 382,000 fte.

Today there are 452,000 fte.

They're not cutting excess jobs, there are no excess jobs, what they'll be cutting is services.

It's a bit like them saying they're going to recruit and train 20,000 extra police officers without mentioning the fact that reason we need 20,000 new officers is because of the 23,500 they got rid of.

2004 is 17 years ago. Technology advancements must be harnessed by the Civil Service to produce greater efficiency.

Some of the processes are ludicrous and time consuming.

As an example:
Adult applies for citizenship, sends several docs by post for review, security checks etc. a few weeks/months later attends a ceremony with a naturalisation certificate from the home office.

Only once this is received can they apply for a passport. They have to send their newly received original Naturalisation certificate to the passport office to apply for a passport. At which point the passport office carries out a number of security checks etc. Which are likely to be a duplication of what they did the week previous.

Why can two parts of the home office not co-operate and let new citizens apply for a passport to be received at their date of naturalisation? Even if for an advanced fee. Seems like unnecessary silo thinking.

Overthewine · 13/05/2022 14:27

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Zilla1 · 13/05/2022 14:35

Spot on. No wonder the government has lost patience after investing so many billions in DVLA, TPO, HMRC and all the other Department's IT systems and infrastructure and investing that money it so well. Much like their decisions on preparedness for a pandemic, investing in PPE, furlough and bounce back loans. Eat out to help out. The policy and decisions at a political level are spot on so the problem must be those pesky civil servants. Probably vote for those Labour scallywags too. And leak. Well except for the leaks by people who undertake driving-assisted sight tests... Future enquiries will demonstrate the quality of those decisions I expect and show future governments how things should be done

Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 13/05/2022 14:53

MollyQueenOfSocks · 13/05/2022 12:15

Am I the only one that saw he wanted both PO and DVLA privatised??? Even on Twitter no one has made the connection. It's so blindingly obvious that it's part of the plan to make that happen!

Fuck the Tories.

Yep saw that a couple nights ago. I suspect this is the way he will achieve his cost cutting exercise. It won’t make things any more efficient, just more expensive and with some redundancies /natural wastage.
Boris will class it as a win, castigate private enterprise for being slow to issue passports etc but he can’t do anything as it’s a private business. Blah blah blah.

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