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To ask what you can actually cook for 30p/meal?

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Porcupineintherough · 12/05/2022 12:21

Following on from the comments by MP Lee Anderson I was wondering what I could actually make for 30p/head. I'm a pretty good thrifty cook but all I could come up with were:

beans on toast (budget brands)
tinned tomatoes on toast (budget brands)
tinned mushrooms on toast (budget brands)
egg on toast
cheese on toast (ditto)
some kind of veggie stew/sauces w red lentils (if cooking for more than one) to eat w pasta
stir fry noodles w a few shreds of veg
bowl of basics cereal

I'm not counting things like baked potatoes where the ingredients are cheap but the energy costs to cook them are high.

So what am I missing? What skills and recipes are this food bank teaching? Wild foraging? Poaching? Shop-lifting 101?

OP posts:
Oblomov22 · 19/05/2022 13:54

All utter bollocks. What twats MP's are. The chef said he could barely cook anything nutritious for 30p, Just about beans on toast, but once you start adding anything dairy - cheese for day cheese on toast, the price shoots up. if a chef can't manage it what chance have us lesser mortals got?

MaryAndHerNet · 19/05/2022 14:11

pointythings · 19/05/2022 13:33

I just thought I'd post this as a reality check for the Tory/Lee Anderson apologists on this thread. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/19/britain-cost-of-living-crisis-carer-universal-credit

But you'll probably say nah, that never happened.

I can believe it happens.

My UC statement shows exactly what the Tories believe I can survive on a month. £343.

To pay for:
Electric hugely Up
Gas hugely Up
Council tax slightly Up from 40pm to 46pm
Food Up Hugely Up
Insurance up from 23pm to 29pm
Internet Same
TV license Cancelled
Fuel Up 164p near me

Clothes, shoes, hair, personal care etc forget it.

PinkSyCo · 24/05/2022 20:36

I think I’ll take up the challenge…..I hear scurvy’s very in trend this year.

mbosnz · 24/05/2022 20:43

What can I cook for 30p a meal?

Nothing I'd want to eat. Nothing I'd like my children to eat.

Certainly not as a matter of choice or any sort of long term routine.

I can pretty much guarantee that members of the Government and the ruling party would feel much the same way.

Unlike them, I think other people and their children deserve nutritious meals (shock, horror, even an occasional treat) just as much as me and mine.

Readtheroom · 24/05/2022 21:07

SpiderVersed · 12/05/2022 12:41

How insensitive and obtuse! 30p isn’t enough for much more than cheap toast or microwaved spuds.You can’t raise kids on nowt but bloody toast and spuds.

Your comment made me laugh so hard and Ive got a a pulled muscle in my chest 🤣

Zilla1 · 25/05/2022 11:19

For all you unreasonable people who asked the Chancellor to completely remove all the effects of inflation on everyone and who ridiculously expected the PM to use magic to prevent all inflation again for everyone, please don't embarrass yourselves and compound your unreasonableness if the hard working government announce a windfall tax this week. No, it won't have anything to do with the publication of any reports, it's because the government cares.

Leypt1 · 25/05/2022 13:56

ancientgran · 18/05/2022 22:29

So Zilla saying someone working in Tesco's could afford to keep a family and pay a mortgage on a decent house on one wage wasn't true in the 60s, your mum had to work and it was a flat, and it wasn't true in the 70s, I had to work and it wasn't what anyone would describe as a decent house, and we are both talking about managers not an average supermarket job.

I wonder when it was true that one supermarket worker could keep a family and pay a mortgage on a decent house?

Not saying that these aren't fair points but it's worth raising that in 1970 the average house cost something like 4x the average wage whereas now it's more than 8x.

Obviously there is a lot of regional disparity but even in the regions where this ratio has changed the least it has still changed to make houses more expensive compared to income.

Here's a good article with some graphs:
www.schroders.com/en/uk/private-investor/insights/markets/what-174-years-of-data-tell-us-about-house-price-affordability-in-the-uk/

Zilla1 · 25/05/2022 16:56

@Leypt1 indeed. I think that covers both sides of the problem, relative wage stagnation and massive house price inflation. I was in two minds whether to post given some PPs seem to apply the heroic logic that because someone knew someone who couldn't buy a house in some locations and keep a family on a single income then what I said 'wasn't true in the 60s nor the 70s' when I neither said everyone, nor everywhere. In fact, what I posted which was that there was a single earner working in Tesco's could afford to keep a family and pay a mortgage on a decent house on one wage because I knew them and that it seemed a shop floor worker for Tesco would probably not be able to now. For completeness, it was mid 70s to early 80s in the Midlands and to stretch the point, so did a postal worker, a junior bank clerk, administrative Civil Servant, junior teacher just out of the then teacher training college and a bus driver. Wonder how many of workers in those professions would be able to keep a family and get a mortgage for a family home anywhere now?

ancientgran · 25/05/2022 20:44

Leypt1 · 25/05/2022 13:56

Not saying that these aren't fair points but it's worth raising that in 1970 the average house cost something like 4x the average wage whereas now it's more than 8x.

Obviously there is a lot of regional disparity but even in the regions where this ratio has changed the least it has still changed to make houses more expensive compared to income.

Here's a good article with some graphs:
www.schroders.com/en/uk/private-investor/insights/markets/what-174-years-of-data-tell-us-about-house-price-affordability-in-the-uk/

And the interest rate? Yes that was probably more than 4 times what it is now, I think I was paying 12% and it went up later so for your actual monthly payments you weren't any better off.

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ancientgran · 25/05/2022 20:48

Zilla1 · 25/05/2022 16:56

@Leypt1 indeed. I think that covers both sides of the problem, relative wage stagnation and massive house price inflation. I was in two minds whether to post given some PPs seem to apply the heroic logic that because someone knew someone who couldn't buy a house in some locations and keep a family on a single income then what I said 'wasn't true in the 60s nor the 70s' when I neither said everyone, nor everywhere. In fact, what I posted which was that there was a single earner working in Tesco's could afford to keep a family and pay a mortgage on a decent house on one wage because I knew them and that it seemed a shop floor worker for Tesco would probably not be able to now. For completeness, it was mid 70s to early 80s in the Midlands and to stretch the point, so did a postal worker, a junior bank clerk, administrative Civil Servant, junior teacher just out of the then teacher training college and a bus driver. Wonder how many of workers in those professions would be able to keep a family and get a mortgage for a family home anywhere now?

Well my ex husband was a supermarket manager in the midlands in the 70s and I had to work as he couldn't afford the mortgage and to keep a family in what wasn't even a decent house so I don't understand how people working for him would have afforded it. I worked in local government so not a civil servant but our salaries were comparable.

Maybe the person you knew had inherited a massive deposit or something but otherwise no that was not my experience or the experience of any of the young couples I knew. If they were buying a house they were both working, I knew a couple of families with only one parent working but they had a council house and low rent but they still found it a struggle.

Fulbe · 25/05/2022 21:40

The MPs dining room is HEAVILY subsidised.
Sirloin steak for £9
Slow cooked pork belly for £8
All the puddings are 2.71 each.

Maybe he really has no idea about the cost of living?

StageRage · 25/05/2022 22:22

JinglingHellsBells · 12/05/2022 13:46

For 30p a head you could have a 2-egg omelette with a couple of mushrooms or cheese, and a jacket potato. Or pasta with tom sauce and grated cheese. Or cauliflower cheese ( one costs about 80p) add milk, cheese to make the sauce.

6 medium eggs in Tesco are £1. So two eggs blows your budget: no baked potato, cheese or mushroom.

GetThatHelmetOn · 25/05/2022 22:30

StageRage · 25/05/2022 22:22

6 medium eggs in Tesco are £1. So two eggs blows your budget: no baked potato, cheese or mushroom.

And that only works if you live in a place hot enough to be able to cook the omelette on the car bonnet! Do they think that gas and electric are free?

NoCleverNickname · 27/05/2022 15:49

GetThatHelmetOn · 25/05/2022 22:30

And that only works if you live in a place hot enough to be able to cook the omelette on the car bonnet! Do they think that gas and electric are free?

Luckily I do, but I think the commute is too long (17 hours, more or less).

It sounds like the UK has got a lot more expensive since I lived there.

Benefits to living in a hot country is the fruit trees that are all over the place. There's an olive tree across the road from my house, a lemon tree round the corner and an orange orchard a bit further down. There's not many apple or pear trees, possibly the climate is too hot? Also many farms to get cheap eggs (even in the city there are farms) so deals for eggs and meat can be done. Growing your own vegetables is easy and they grow quickly.

I'm so sorry that everyone is struggling! I hope things improve for you all ❣

coastalguy · 08/08/2022 09:17

You will not get a Sunday roast on that kind of budget, but you could eat really well, it depends on careful shopping, careful cooking and occasionally buying in bulk.

Take for example a mushroom risotto, a punnet of chestnut mushrooms 65p, an onion 8p, a veg stock cube 8p and a little hot water and 2/3s of a bag of Arborio or similar rice 75p. Do stir a lot, this makes it creamy without needing cream. This easily feeds 4 at a cost of under 40p.

Leave out mushrooms use peas instead and price drops to 30p, Use a value pasta sauce and you will not need mushroom, onion or stock cube under 30p again.

Buy stuff that grows locally from farm shop, its normally half supermarket prices, buy potatoes by the sack ,split with friends/nieghbours you'll get a sack for roughly the price of a bag.

A 40p cauliflower from farm shop easily feeds 3/4 when served with a cheese sauce and crusty bread.

A jacket potato (just buy normal potato's (the term jacket doubles the price per kilo)) cook in microwave for 10 mins finish off in oven if you want a crunchy skin (not essential for most uses).

Learn to cook energy wise:-

Reducing Cooking Energy costs by50-80%

This paper is about learning a few new cooking techniques and applying very basic physics
Cooking speed and how much energy is used is about getting heat into the middle of the food to cook it. We can start to use simple techniques to halve the cooking time and halve the energy used.

1 Use a meat thermometer and internal temperature safety chart

A supermarket chicken will have a cooking guide for example state that an 1.8 kilo bird takes 100min at Fan 180 degrees C
This is a very cautious timing erring hugely on the side of safety. You must off course ensure the bird is cooked but a meat thermometer and Internal temperature safety chart for meat and poultry will ensure safety, you just have to check at around 60 minutes in the thickest piece of the bird.
You will find that the chicken if spread out to allow heat to circulate within the bird will cook in around 55 minutes or in nearly half the time stated on the supermarkets packaging.

2 Smaller joints cook quicker

If you cut the Chicken in half an 1.8 kilo bird cut into 2 halves takes 35 min at Fan 180 degrees C, Again check thickest part of meat with thermometer to ensure correct temperature reached.
If you cut chicken into quarters it will take 25 minutes to cook to a safe temperature.
If you cut into pieces 20 mins to reach a safe temperature.
A 2kg loin of pork would take 2hours and 25 minutes to cook but cut it into two and the same 2 kilos of meat takes one hour and 25 minutes to roast.

3 Use meat Skewers

The reason why cooking meat takes so long is you have to wait for the heat to get to the centre of the joint and raise that to a safe
temperature and meat is a good insulating material. If we skewer
using metal skewers into the thickest part of the joint we can halve or better the safe cooking times.
So our 2kg loin of pork that would take 2hours and 25 minutes to cook, cooks in just one hour when skewered with say 6 skewers (remember to use meat thermometer).
The same principle works on boiling a Joint of Gammon (2.5 kilos) would normally be boiled for 2hours and 15 minutes. If we skewer that same joint
(you will need a slightly larger pan and shorter skewers) then the cooking time reduces to just one hour (and if you leave the skewers in, the joint will cool to a carving temperature more quickly too).

4 Use a steamer

There are two types of steamer
an electric type or a simple
pan top model.
Both of these allow many vegetables to be cooked simultaneously without any bleeding of flavours using just one “pan” and one ring/power source.
The vegetables are added one at a time, those to be steamed the longest cooking time first, the others added in cooking order. I normally stop cooking by adding something cold to the steaming water when the other vegetables are perfect, a cup of tap water or some frozen peas (which do not need cooking
merely defrosting and serving).
So 5 vegetables steamed and their vitamins and nutrients kept intact using just one steamer instead of 5 pans and 5 stove top rings worth of energy.

  1. Reuse the steaming or potato water

Once you have boiled the kettle and used the water to par boil potatoes for roasting that water is still fine to use and the roast meat joint will be out of the oven in maybe just 30 minutes. So use that potato water to steam the other vegetables , its fine and will not alter the other vegetables taste. You can even use the water again perhaps to defrost frozen peas, peas don’t need cooking just warming and the now warm water will keep the steamer warm and avoid overcooking whilst waiting for the meat to “rest”.

  1. Water boils at 100 degrees C

Water boils at 100 degrees C, this means that water doesn’t get any hotter and food doesn’t cook any faster no matter how high you turn the ring up.
So turn the cooker rings down, if the water is boiling your food is cooking as fast as it can, furious boiling just fills the house with water vapour and encourages mould and other problems and wastes energy.
One of the few exceptions is cooking pasta where a rapidly boiling pan helps stop the pasta sticking by keeping it moving.

7.Use a kettle for your cooking water

It saves money, energy and time to use an electric kettle to boil your cooking water . So stop heating cold water in your saucepans.

  1. Set a timer when you need a preheated oven

If you don’t use a timer you will almost certainly waste energy, you will not see the light blinking out to show that the ovens ready for use. Its common to miss the oven ready time by 20 minutes or so in a busy household. Use a timer and its buzz will almost always surprise you and you’ll never waste another penny of energy again.

  1. Check your oven door seal

Broken or drooping door seals leak heat and money. A replacement door seal costs as little as £5.00 and will pay for itself in under a month in a busy kitchen.
10. The smaller the Vegetable the quicker it cooks
The smaller a vegetable is cut the quicker it will cook in general. Again it’s about heat penetrating to the middle of the food and heating it to an edible temperature. So Carrots whole 18 mins, coins 10 mins, batons 8 mins, diced 6 mins, slithers (Madeline or peeler 2mins. Broccoli and cauliflower should be cut into floret and each stem split length ways. Potatoes cut into smallest acceptable size according to intended use roasting mashing etc.

  1. If an oven is on use it

If you are cooking a roast then it is sensible to cook the vegetables in the oven at the same time, use tinfoil parcels with a dab of butter and a splash of water to steam, or use oven proof bowls for cooking vegetables.

  1. Two day meals

It costs very little more to cook a two day dinner than a single meal. Two lasagnes baking in the oven will cost little more than one and similarly a pan of stew will cost little more if it’s a bit fuller. Both will store for days in fridge or months in the freezer (and remember a full freezer /fridge costs less to run than an empty one).

  1. Pressure Cookers

These work great (whilst being a little scary) and can halve cooking times (and thus halve energy use/costs) for certain types of meals, stews are the main strength of this type of cooking (remember to use boiling water from the kettle to start the cooking process).

  1. Slow Cookers

The main advantage here is the ability to cook a meal whilst you are at work. The potential money saving is harder to quantify as the slow cooker is cheaper to run per hour but will be on for 8-12 hours. If this is compared with an oven or stove top cooked meal the costs can be similar provided that meal takes no longer than an hour to cook.

FarmerRefuted · 08/08/2022 10:43

It wasn't 30p per meal though, it was 30p per day so 10p per meal.

And, as pointed out in the thread, things like shopping around, buying in bulk, going to farm shops, buying frozen, etc require funds and access so while such tips might be helpful to some people there will be lots for whom it's no good.

Doubleraspberry · 08/08/2022 11:09

A lot of people living in food poverty are nowhere near a farm shop. Or even near farm shops like my local ones, who are selling nice organic veg at four times the price of Aldi.

FilePhoto · 08/08/2022 11:33

None of the farm shops 'near' me (they aren't that near at all, they all require a car to get to) are cheaper than the supermarket. They are all full of wanky shite.
Unlike tesco which I can walk to in 10 mins and buy cheap wonky veg.

And saying a stock cube is 8p is all well and good, but you have to have the budget to buy a whole packet.

Other than that I'm so sick of people telling us "poor folk" stupid stuff like 'if you cook veg smaller it cooks faster" We aren't fucking stupid!

Zilla1 · 08/08/2022 12:07

'You could eat really well on that budget'. An assertion that I'd like to see backed up with a few recipes with costed ingredients and cooking energy prices. Even without the last few month's food inflation in the UK, I didn't think this was the case.

nokidshere · 08/08/2022 12:16

Buy stuff that grows locally from farm shop, its normally half supermarket prices, buy potatoes by the sack ,split with friends/nieghbours you'll get a sack for roughly the price of a bag.

A 40p cauliflower from farm shop easily feeds 3/4 when served with a cheese sauce and crusty bread.

I'd like to know where there is a farm shop that has fruit/veg for cheaper than the supermarkets because there's definitely not one near me! We only go to the farm shops when we are feeling flush, they are very expensive. There are at least 5 around here but all require a car to get to.

Testina · 08/08/2022 12:27

Feeding 4 people from 1 cauliflower?
Bullshit.
That’s some heavy lifting from the “crusty bread”.
Another reporting that farm shops are the over priced luxury items round my way. Veg is definitely not cheaper, and everything else sold is things like £10 chutneys.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 08/08/2022 12:29

nokidshere · 08/08/2022 12:16

Buy stuff that grows locally from farm shop, its normally half supermarket prices, buy potatoes by the sack ,split with friends/nieghbours you'll get a sack for roughly the price of a bag.

A 40p cauliflower from farm shop easily feeds 3/4 when served with a cheese sauce and crusty bread.

I'd like to know where there is a farm shop that has fruit/veg for cheaper than the supermarkets because there's definitely not one near me! We only go to the farm shops when we are feeling flush, they are very expensive. There are at least 5 around here but all require a car to get to.

Quite!

Well-meaning as I'm sure that post is, I'd be interested to see where this farm shop is that sells 40p cauliflowers. All the ones round here are 'artisanal' with prices to match. Getting there and/or buying sacks that you split with your neighbours (always assuming you have neighbours you'd want to do this with) require cars. Bearing in mind that 2.5kg of potatoes is 95p in Aldi, I'm not sure why anyone would want the bother of carting sacks about, splitting them up, collecting money and so on.

LuaDipa · 08/08/2022 12:56

You could eat really well on that budget.

I’m sorry but you really couldn’t.

Re the farm shops, we are lucky to have 2 proper ones locally that don’t charge extortionate prices, as well as the wanky posh ones, but even the reasonable ones have become more expensive this year. I still think they are cheaper than the supermarket for quality produce but their costs have increased like everyone else’s and they’ve got to make a living. There are definitely no 40p cauli’s round here.

Crikeymaccrikey · 08/08/2022 14:07

Times have been hard before and will be in future. Therefore does it not make sense to educate ourselves how to manage?

The 30 p quote was out of context.

We can manage with meat

Many parts of the world do

Lentils and rice can be cooked very well . We mosy live on this.
Pasta and tom sauce made at home.is so so cheap ( heat pasta to boil point, turn of, cooks itself , saves money.)
Cous cous .. you just pour boilng water over it.incredibly cheap

This is hard times , but we need to.adjust, take responsibility and crack on . We can get thro this. Amd tea h our dc life skills.Moaning is waste of time.
( i mean apart from those with no food , no money. We are struggling.ourselves , i just feel most of us can be proactive)

Crikeymaccrikey · 08/08/2022 14:09

Without meat i meant .