Rwanda plan

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Do you agree with it or not.

Absolutely not, it's insane.

They say these people are fleeing persecution so shouldn't they be happy anywhere safe.

Why don't they have the dignity of being able to choose? Presumably if they had wanted to go to Rwanda, they would have gone there?

Plus who says Rwanda is safe? They have an appalling human rights record.

But they are coming illegally they forfeit the right to choose

They aren't coming illegally. Anyone has the right to arrive in the UK and claim asylum on arrival.

The people they are planning on sending to Rwanda haven't had their claims assessed.

Yes , something has to be done .

So why ship to Rwanda if anybody has the right to claim asylum in the UK.

How about letting asylum seekers work, and thus pay tax, while they wait for their claims to be processed?

This is the thing, they are not coming illegally. The UK has put in place rules that you can only apply for Asylum if you are in the UK, you can't apply from outside the country. So they have to get to the UK in order to claim asylum.

If you look at the stats the vast majority of people who have claimed asylum have been granted it. Proving that they had a valid claim.

So they have followed the requirements put in place by the UK govt and have been validated as correct.

Because the stories know it will appeal to all of the 'They took our jobs!' Anti immigration types.

This time last year the Conservatives were chastising Rwanda for its many and varied human rights abuses. This year they think it's a wonderful place to settle asylum seekers to live their happy ever after.

It's all bullshit.

HalfShrunkMoreToGo
I tend to disagree the uk asylum system is very tough with less than half of cases granted.

Dang it! Stories should be Tories

There is no ‘legal’ way for most people to get to the UK to claim asylum. Declaring them ‘illegal’ is a breach of international law. The uk takes very few asylum seekers. It is inhumane to deport people in need far away to a continent where they have no connections. The results when Australia did the same were appalling - lives were needlessly ruined.

Well exactly. Anyone has the right to request asylum in the uk. While awaiting the outcome of their claim, they should be treated just as anyone would hope to be in similar circumstances.If they are refused, then they should be removed from the country in accordance with the relevant laws. But they should not be denied the right to request asylum in the first place.

Even if you thought it was a reasonable thing to do to people, I still don't see how it will solve the crisis of people making the treacherous crossing.

They know it could cost their lives, but they still do it in the hope/expectation that they'll be one of the lucky ones.

As I understand it only a tiny % of the number of people who arrive annually can be accommodated in Rwanda so even if the scheme is implemented, there's still a high chance that someone making the crossing will be lucky and not go to Rwanda.

64% asylum claims are granted on initial application with almost half of appeals being successful.

So yes the majority of asylum requests are granted.

It's inhumane. The UK offers no alternatives. Per head of population the UK is very poor at taking asylum seekers compared to other countries. If you think the Rwanda plan is reasonable then yes, YABVU.

Are these people crossing the Channel economic seekers in which case they obviously intend to work illegally.

No

Why obviously?

The Rwanda plan is inhumane, ugly and lacking in any compassion whatsoever.

A special place in hell for everyone involved in its conception.

This is not a plan to send people to Rwanda, assess their claim, then if successful have them settle in the UK. This is a plan to send them to Rwanda and them have to settle there.

Given there will be legal appeals and probably other means that those who cross the channel in small boats will use to stop being moved to Rwanda from the UK, I don't expect it will have much if any impact in reducing the numbers crossing in small boats. People traffickers will promise they have ways of ensuring those who pay them large amounts of money believe they won't be moved to Rwanda, and frankly if they get their money do not care one bit.

If we had a sensible relationship with France, more chance of this heinous people trafficking being reduced.

To work as a deterrent as is claimed will mean deporting thousands. The costs and legal wrangling will make it unworkable. And it goes against international law.

So it’s basically a load of old popularist bollocks designed to divide and spread hate, and perhaps pick up some votes along the way