To think gender should be seen as personality?

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Over simplistic maybe?

No one at all should have their life made harder because of how they present, be it goth, Disney fan, tattooed, cottage core.

But keep spaces segregated by something that is absolutely definable, and welcome diversity of presentation with kindness and unbias.

AIBU to think this would be a simpler world?

^ Quite.

I haven’t heard anyone refer to Gentleman Jack as a trans show; just to a programme about a woman with a particular personality.

So I’m not the only one experiencing deja vu here.

Totally agree. I think that’s why they think there are 78 genders. It’s just a very detailed and overworked version of those “which character are you?” buzzfeed quizzes.

Gentleman Jack is based on the true story of Anne Lister who was a well known lesbian. Its about homosexuality and homophobia. It’s certainly not a show about “a woman with a particular personality”!

Well no. There are men and women. You can't be non binary as you are either a man or woman.

Dress how you like, be wild, do whatever you like. You don't need to be in pink or blue doing ballet or rugby but you are either a she or a he, a man or a woman.

Discovereads Yes, I know what it is, and who she was. I have her diaries but haven’t got round to them.

And I do think it is about her personality. And yes, it is also about lesbianism and homophobia because they impacted her: as you say, it’s based on her diaries and observations.

For me, it is very validating to witness her personality traits.

All the 70+ so-called "genders" do feel like we're living inside a quiz from magazines like Cosmo or Just Seventeen from the 90s. It's like today's youth are desperate to put labels on their personalities. I wonder if its all really about a sense of belonging to a defined group/label whilst also being "special" i.e. like heterosexual people in heterosexual relationships who somehow identify as "queer".

Sorry, wouldn't let me quote and I clearly buggered up the tagging thing...

Many trans people do not suffer from gender dysphoria

So... does that mean they just fancy being the opposite sex rather than being traumatised by not being the sex they want to be? If not either of those things, then what does being trans actually mean?

what does being trans actually mean?

Many trans organisations deny that gender dysphoria is a necessary component of being trans and many males who identify as women are quite happy to keep their male genitalia. So how do you feel like a women or a man? Who knows?

Agree, no one seems to be able to answer this either.

So being a man or a woman isn't based in stereotypes (i.e. gender) but it's also apparently not sex based either...????

What is it then?

Everyone's personality is of course nuanced. And we need to do away with gender stereotypes and let people dress how they want, be into what they want etc..For sure.

But nothing other than your sex makes you a man or a woman imo. And that can't be changed no matter your feelings. You can't 'feel' like a man or a woman. You either are one or you aren't.

If there’s no gender dysphoria, what makes it different to transvestism or cross-dressing? 🤔

If there’s no gender dysphoria, what makes it different to transvestism or cross-dressing?

According to Stonewall,males who cross-dress are transwomen and transwomen are women, so no difference at all.

I feel cross dressers just do it part time, the occasional dip into women's clothing, whether that's in private or out and about rather than embracing an identity fully.

Although those people are probably declaring themselves non binary now? Or at least the younger generation of occasional cross dressing men are.

I wonder, then, why many of these people can't just be classed as "full-time transvestites"?

Well there's pip/Philip bunce who's a woman half the week amd man the other half.

Still won a woman In finance award though

^ Well, I hope s/he only got half of it!

I love gendered differences and I am sad it has been hijacked by trans ideology. I like history and gender is a really important and rich part of our culture in each culture it presents differently. There is also a history of gender norms being changed and challenged for example in the 20s where women would begin to cut their hair and wear trousers. Fashion is very gendered and it is art to dress a male or a female body. I think gendered differences should be respected and honoured as part of our cultural heritage and because some of them are beautiful and part of history. There I said it. 😁

The art to dressing a female or male body is to get stuff looking ok given the physical differences

The rest should be freely available to either sex not restricted due to gender

The way I understand it is that gender is your innate sense of whether you are a man or a woman. Its different from gender roles and presentation but I think very hard to understand from a non trans perspective.

The best analogy I've seen was that your gender is like a pair of shoes - if they fit right and are comfortable you don't really ever think about it. If they are too tight or have a stone in them it's ALL you can think about.

I sympathise immensely with people who suffer from gender dysphoria, but I think unfortunately the word Trans has become a bit meaningless over the last few years with the introduction of all these random genders and bizarre attempts at inclusivity.

If gender is your shoes, then surely sex is your feet….

The reason my gender didn't fit me , why I felt a disconnect between what my sex was and how I felt about myself was totally because of the restrictive stereotypes that others associated with my sex

The stereotypes triggered the feeling that today is considered indicative of transgender

Ie you can only feel it doesn't fit if you first accept that there should be something that should fit

Wow. I mean, that's a piss take isn't it?

I do feel bottom line, the rules are being made up as trans activists go along to suit them, seemingly at any given moment. Bit like the travellers that park up on our estate now and then, normal rules don't apply and it's everyone else's fault. I think that's what grates.

I do feel bottom line, the rules are being made up as trans activists go along to suit them, seemingly at any given moment

Yes they are being made up as they go along. Stonewall recently tweeted that women don't even know they are women. So trans women are women but no one who's a woman knows for sure they are women. How does that even work?

Why can adults self declare their identity and do nothing to themselves whilst children need to alter their bodies permanently with drugs?

How come kids know from 2 how they are yet suddenly need extra time at puberty to decide so need blockers?

If the bodies aren't wrong and sex is a spectrum.what even are people transitioning 2 or from?

How can the binary exist when you need to define yourself against it but not at any other time.

If the experts cant even keep up with the own rules And contradict themselves all the time then How's everyone else meant to keep up.

Its almost become a game now..how ridiculous can you get away with being and still have people hanging off your every word.