To decline my school place?

[LG123]

I'm so cross, just want to yell at admissions (I won't).

My daughter got offered a place outside of catchment as my catchment school os oversubscribed. They wouldn't have to provide transport because she's under compulsory school age so my tiny 4 year old would be expected to walk 2 miles each way everyday.

Bet all the ones that drive got their place at a school round the corner.

AIBU to tell them to jog the fuck on?

Accept the place, go on the waiting list for your preferred school, and if you don’t drive take her on a scooter or in a buggy or catch a bus (assuming there’s a service) while she attends this school.

Not all summer borns struggle, and what will you do to stimulate her and bring on her education if she stays off a year? She could end up very behind her peers and may struggle to ever close the gap.

@Quincythequince I'm not asking for any exception. I can send out of cohort as part of a legislation for summer born legislation, that's not an exception. I don't need an exception for 6th form in a school as there aren't any by me. Just because you don't like the idea of delayed entry you don't need to be uppity about it. You could also argue that when the year ends she'd still be 18 if I need to argue that stance but I don't so, moot.

Feel sorry for the parents of your school with a trunchbull style governor.

Just to add to the sixth form issue, my GS is at a local academy, there is more than one student who has been held back a year due to missing so much time in lockdown so there will definitely be 19 year olds in year 13 next year.

Didn’t say she called me a derogatory name ross I said she was rude.

And the irony of getting ranty and mad because other people weren’t reading her posts, and also angrily rejecting plenty of advice.

Honestly, why post.

And what are you? Her minder?

Her sixth form entry (to college not school) came up after the point was made and after she’d called me wrong (I’m not), not before.

You can’t legally have 19 year old pupils walking around a secondary school with minors.

It is not allowed and can be easily challenged.

And yes, whilst it’s not an issue for late summer born babies because A levels are done, why should a July or August born kid be allowed, but not a May born kid.

Where do you draw the line?

I know. You draw the line by just putting your kid into the school year intended, with a late Easter start if need be.

Or you pay and go private.

@VestaTilley

Accept the place, go on the waiting list for your preferred school, and if you don’t drive take her on a scooter or in a buggy or catch a bus (assuming there’s a service) while she attends this school.

Not all summer borns struggle, and what will you do to stimulate her and bring on her education if she stays off a year? She could end up very behind her peers and may struggle to ever close the gap.

She will be only weeks, maybe days, older than other children in the year starting next year. Why would that matter, she may do far better being the oldest in the year rather than the youngest.

@VestaTilley she will stay at nursery with her peers, she will have many more experiences and time to explore. Just because some summer born are fine, today has just reaffirmed I don't want that risk.

Schools aren't made with summer borns mind clearly!

My brother went to a grammar and the cleverest boy in his year was late August born. He took crazy amounts of A Levels etc. He applied to Oxford or Cambridge and they accepted him but for the following year, as they said he to mature a bit. This is going back some years, (my brother is 47!) but I thought it was an interesting anecdote.

@Quincythequince it's my post, posting updates on the situation in hand! I read all of the ops updates on other friends.

Have a day off.

@Quincythequince

Didn’t say she called me a derogatory name ross I said she was rude.

And the irony of getting ranty and mad because other people weren’t reading her posts, and also angrily rejecting plenty of advice.

Honestly, why post.

And what are you? Her minder?

Her sixth form entry (to college not school) came up after the point was made and after she’d called me wrong (I’m not), not before.

You can’t legally have 19 year old pupils walking around a secondary school with minors.

It is not allowed and can be easily challenged.

And yes, whilst it’s not an issue for late summer born babies because A levels are done, why should a July or August born kid be allowed, but not a May born kid.

Where do you draw the line?

I know. You draw the line by just putting your kid into the school year intended, with a late Easter start if need be.

Or you pay and go private.

There will be 19 year olds walking round at my local academy school next year. Two that I know of but possibly more. No one seems to think it is an issue.

[quote LG123]@Quincythequince I'm not asking for any exception. I can send out of cohort as part of a legislation for summer born legislation, that's not an exception. I don't need an exception for 6th form in a school as there aren't any by me. Just because you don't like the idea of delayed entry you don't need to be uppity about it. You could also argue that when the year ends she'd still be 18 if I need to argue that stance but I don't so, moot.

Feel sorry for the parents of your school with a trunchbull style governor.[/quote]
Idiotic entitled parents who don’t think the rules apply to them will always be treated differently.

And you do realise governors aren’t parent facing don’t you?

And for the last time - I don’t care about delayed entry! It makes no difference to me. But when you oust another kid because of it, or think the rules don’t apply to you, then yes, that’s a problem.

Schools are of course used to parents like this.

I’m sure you new HT will love you 😘

Definitely defer a year and start in reception age 5. Did it for my youngest who is a mid Aug birthday.

And for all those saying their schools would not allow it, it is unlawful to have a blanket policy. Each application has to be considered on their individual merits, very difficult to legitimately say it is in a child’s best interests to miss reception and be placed directly into yr 1.

I found out today my daughter hasn't got her catchment school either. She is also tiny (still wearing clothing for an 18-month-old) and our local authority won't offer transport unless the school is more than 3 miles away and they are CSA. The school isn't on a public transport route from where we live so I'm just going to have to put her in the buggy and push her there (8 mile round trip for me each day - joy!)

Even if your LA supports delayed admission, you do realise this means she will have to jump a year at some point, so will leave her peer group behind and have to make friends all over again as well as try and catch up?

[quote LG123]@VestaTilley she will stay at nursery with her peers, she will have many more experiences and time to explore. Just because some summer born are fine, today has just reaffirmed I don't want that risk.

Schools aren't made with summer borns mind clearly![/quote]
I kept mine at home till Keystage 2. Didn't damage them in the slightest, both have 1st class degrees from good universities, both have post grad qualifications. People make such a fuss about little ones being in school.

@Quincythequince you've made your stance on delayed entry clear, so no need to keep at it.

18 year olds are also adults and around minors. Children at the age of consent are around children under the age of consent. It's a ludicrous point.

ancient may well be because it’s not widely known.

But for an outstanding oversubscribed place, which will be in high demand, if word gets out, that could cause problems.

I can assure you, if somebody mounts a challenge, and it does happen, they don’t have to allow them to stay.

An adult without a DBS on site with children as young as 11, is also a legal challenge too.

We had this very case last year.

[quote LG123]@Quincythequince you've made your stance on delayed entry clear, so no need to keep at it.

18 year olds are also adults and around minors. Children at the age of consent are around children under the age of consent. It's a ludicrous point.[/quote]
Then stop saying I don’t like delayed entry, when I don’t actually care.

18 year olds and Rising 18 year olds for the purposes of education, are still children.

Rising 19 and 19 year olds are not.

@Whenyougonnalearn sorry I missed your post, the other mother is for this round.

[quote LG123]@Quincythequince you've made your stance on delayed entry clear, so no need to keep at it.

18 year olds are also adults and around minors. Children at the age of consent are around children under the age of consent. It's a ludicrous point.[/quote]
I don’t make the rules.
There are legal definitions for the purposes of education.

@Quincythequince

ancient may well be because it’s not widely known.

But for an outstanding oversubscribed place, which will be in high demand, if word gets out, that could cause problems.

I can assure you, if somebody mounts a challenge, and it does happen, they don’t have to allow them to stay.

An adult without a DBS on site with children as young as 11, is also a legal challenge too.

We had this very case last year.

It is well known in year 12 and 13 as they were both in year 12 last year and are in it again. I know the school well, my own children went there as well as GC there now. They will not ask a child to leave half way through A levels. It just won't happen.

It is a very oversubscribed school, a grammar that attracts children from a very wide area.

A September born child will be 18 and an adult at the start of year 13 so do they all get a DBS done, don't think so.

@Quincythequince she won't be 19 so please feel free to leave this point out, also no 6th forms for us.

@Iamthewalnut no if the OPs dd is deferred and starts in reception in Sept '23 she will not have to skip a year at any point.

I loathe academy schools unfortunately it's virtually impossible to avoid them where I am. They attract the worst leadership

@Quincythequince you clearly do care because you keep harping on about it amd said send into correct cohort.

I don’t know why some posters are making out like OP is breaking some kind of rule with deferred entry. She’s doing what the law and guidance allows, and what the government has committed to put into legislation but hasn’t got around to yet i.e that all summer borns will have an automatic right to defer and start in reception rather than have to argue with the LA about reception or year 1. Govt intention is very clear in their recent guidance and statements.