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To decline my school place?

524 replies

LG123 · 19/04/2022 06:20

I'm so cross, just want to yell at admissions (I won't).

My daughter got offered a place outside of catchment as my catchment school os oversubscribed. They wouldn't have to provide transport because she's under compulsory school age so my tiny 4 year old would be expected to walk 2 miles each way everyday.

Bet all the ones that drive got their place at a school round the corner.

AIBU to tell them to jog the fuck on?

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Quincythequince · 19/04/2022 11:39

And an academy (as many secondary school are) absolutely won’t and don’t have to entertain an out of year child.

LG123 · 19/04/2022 11:46

Quincy - WRONG. Plenty of Academies have accepted delayed start. People really have no clue, probably because they don't like the idea.

Academies still have to follow the admissions code, they aren't exempt.

19 year olds can absolutely be entered into sixth form. No school around me has a sixth form attached to it and the local college had me doing my alevels with 16/17yr olds and the grand old age of 22!

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LG123 · 19/04/2022 11:47

People really have no idea about the summer born legislation and delayed entry to reception.

Quincy, clearly just doesn't like the idea.

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RosstopherGeller · 19/04/2022 11:48

@Quincythequince Clearly you feel very strongly so go ahead and make the legal challenges. Do come back and let us know how it went Smile

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 19/04/2022 11:50

The guidance around Summer borns was changed summer 2013. Its only become more commonplace the last few years. Its a bit early to declare that Secondary schools won't accept it. My elder DD started school in 2015 and it was seen as a risk then as they didn't know how it would pan out at Secondary. (Although it has been clarified that sports are based on birth date still).

LG123 · 19/04/2022 11:50

@Plumbear2 I will repeat myself once and once more only just for you. My LEA are supportive and accept Yr R admission out of cohort for summer borns, even April born children!

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LG123 · 19/04/2022 11:52

@Aroundtheworldin80moves football and rugby give exceptions.

Gymnastics is Jan-Dec (at least by me) and is based on ability, likewise with swimming.

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Thereisnolight · 19/04/2022 11:52

[quote LG123]@Hollyhead 4 miles a day, 2 days a week. She is late August born too so only just 4.[/quote]
Scooter? Pushchair?

Quincythequince · 19/04/2022 11:53

@LG123

Quincy - WRONG. Plenty of Academies have accepted delayed start. People really have no clue, probably because they don't like the idea.

Academies still have to follow the admissions code, they aren't exempt.

19 year olds can absolutely be entered into sixth form. No school around me has a sixth form attached to it and the local college had me doing my alevels with 16/17yr olds and the grand old age of 22!

Not wrong OP.

If you are in Herts (I am) good luck with that. Spots at good schools, are at a premium!
And academies don’t need to abide by LA rules in the same way, even if they get them to do the allocations using their systems.

I have three boys at an academy by the way.
And this very issue cropped up last year.

There is no guarantee at all of a spot, and every chance you aren’t likely to get one.

You can’t have a 19 year old in sixth form, unless special exceptions are made.

You’re wanting all these exceptions OP! Interesting that I think.

Quincythequince · 19/04/2022 11:54

A local college isn’t a secondary school you plank.

I am talking about adults being in secondary schools.

LG123 · 19/04/2022 11:55

To answer a few questions I might not have answered if delaying.

30hrs? Yes
Will nursery keep her? Yes.

And once more for the sake of it - MY LA SUPPORT DELAYED ADMISSION

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RosstopherGeller · 19/04/2022 11:57

@Quincythequince

A local college isn’t a secondary school you plank.

I am talking about adults being in secondary schools.

Why so rude? Besides the OP has clarified the schools near her don't have 6th form, so it's a non-issue for her situation.
Quincythequince · 19/04/2022 11:57

@LG123

People really have no idea about the summer born legislation and delayed entry to reception.

Quincy, clearly just doesn't like the idea.

I don’t give a shit where your kid ends up not in what year. Makes no difference to me at all.

And I don’t need to make any legal challenges - I don’t think I’m special and that the rules don’t apply.

But I am a governor at an academy, and have three kids at an academy secondary, and so I know their rules well.

So, yes, there’s that.

Quincythequince · 19/04/2022 11:59

Ross the OP is being rude. I responded im kind.

And I clearly said I was talking about secondary schools.

NOT secondary education in college.

Kennykenkencat · 19/04/2022 11:59

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We had this but in our case because of how the boundaries are set up and the nearest schools being outside of our catchment area and the nearest one inside our catchment area over 2 miles away (the first bit of our postcode was the same as the houses across about a mile+ of fields

I rang up and put the fact that I wanted to appeal for a place at the nearest school

The person told me there was no point appealing as that was the nearest school in our catchment area and my daughter would stand no chance of getting into a school out of catchment area
I replied that in that case as it was over 2 miles away that I would need transport. I don’t think Dd being 4 years old affected whether she got transport or not. That meant for the next 6 years we would need a taxi daily to get to the school. I also pointed out that as the roads were being rejigged and the school was moving to a new site the following year the travel would become 4 miles each way for 36 weeks per year for the 5 years after that at even 50p per mile (probably gone up now) that was another £720 per year or £3600 it would cost them to insist she went to that school and the taxi would continue after she had left for another 2 years as presumably her younger brother would be allocated the same school

The person said he would get back to me

About an hour later the HT of the nearest school rang me to say a place had become available

Even over subscribed schools have children who won’t want the school place because they have decided to go private or they get into another school or the family move out of the area so I wouldn’t give up

It was only when I got to the school in September I over heard another mum (who was also outside of the catchment area but further outside than us saying that she had been given a place but then had the place rescinded (which was about the time Dd was offered her place) and then another place became available so was offered that place a few weeks later

I personally wouldn’t give up the school place but say that you are deferring it because of her age then see if you can be on a waiting list for your nearest schools. It isn’t set in stone that everyone who starts reception will be there at the end of year 6 let alone the first term of reception
At least 3 people left the school in reception 2 because they were moving away (one to Australia and one to another area of the town) and one because although they were at the school which was in their catchment area they were also on the waiting list for a school nearer to them

You lived in a house you knew was out of the catchment area for the school closest to you

You applied to the school knowing it was out of your catchment area

Actually never gave it a moments thought. I applied to the schools that were nearest to us.

This is what I don’t get. We wanted a specific school for our children and we wanted it to be walking distance

So when you bought, we bought having researched the admissions criteria with a fine tooth comb and looked at last data re distance allocation

This was before children

Again you are putting your situation and planning on our situation.

We moved to the house in a year when the number of properties on the market was minuscule. Remember this was pre Rightmove, pre computers pre mobile phones. Or at least we didn’t have any of those things.
We had sold our house in a different area and needed to move for dh’s work. We sold so quickly that from telling the estate agent to go ahead with the sale and getting a buyer who had offered the full asking price prior to viewing was 7minutes and we completed 3 weeks later. Upon which our furniture was taken to France because there was no more storage facilities in England.
We moved into a holiday cottage where everyone else staying at the same place was in the same situation.

I was calling hundreds of estate agents from phone booths to try to find somewhere to live. Very few had anything on their books. Our cats had gone to the cattery and our dog was living with us in the holiday cottage.
We only bought this house because it was the only place that was for sale that we could find having started off with a list of criteria that we wanted (children weren’t even considered) and ended up with any house we buy shouldn’t be on a main road because we didn’t think a main road would be safe for our cats.

We didn’t view the house prior to buying.
It had to be a quick buy as it had only just come on the market and if we had waited to see it inside we would have certainly missed out.

Looking at catchment areas for potential children given my age and medical history was the last thing on our minds.

When we wanted our eldest to go to a particular secondary school, we looked in to admissions and disregarded because we weren’t in the admissions criteria. It was disappointing but we weren’t prepared to move to for the published admissions criteria

We didn’t apply and then get annoyed when we were told what we already knew

But I didn’t know. I did know that if they gave you a school over 2 miles away then they had to pay for a taxi.

As it happens it worked out.

Dd went to school in Central London to a specialised school that focussed on a particular subject for senior school and Ds bobbed in and out of main stream school but has SEN’s so I ended up HE him.

If we had studied every catchment area for children’s schools when we didn’t have children or targeted only one area then we would have wasted so much money in holiday let’s that we probably wouldn’t have been able to afford anything when eventually the perfect house came on the market.

SlatsandFlaps · 19/04/2022 12:01

As someone who was born 30th August - keep her back a year!!! I was not at alll ready for school and when it came to secondary school I couldn't cope! I cried all the way through year 7. My entire education was ruined by me being in the wrong year

LG123 · 19/04/2022 12:01

@Quincythequince you are being deliberately condescending, not kind.

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Plumbear2 · 19/04/2022 12:02

Absolutely agree with quince. My kids are also in academy's, they will not accept out of year applicants.

RosstopherGeller · 19/04/2022 12:04

@Quincythequince

Ross the OP is being rude. I responded im kind.

And I clearly said I was talking about secondary schools.

NOT secondary education in college.

I can't see where OP has called you a derogatory name?

And 6th form entry isn't relevant to the OP when there are no 6th forms.

The OP electing to use the option of delaying entry is just that - using an option the LA support. Not question of believing to be special or being given exceptions.

Kennykenkencat · 19/04/2022 12:05

@LG123

To answer a few questions I might not have answered if delaying.

30hrs? Yes
Will nursery keep her? Yes.

And once more for the sake of it - MY LA SUPPORT DELAYED ADMISSION

So why didn’t you delay

Why decline. Now the EA don’t have a duty to get your Dd into any school. Given the amount of children who leave reception for other schools I would have thought you could have delayed admission till you got to the top of the waiting list for your chosen school whilst your Dd was still at nursery.

ManUforthewin · 19/04/2022 12:05

I know it varies between counties but I know of two children locally whose parents delayed their start by a year. They joined reception when they were just turned five and have since started secondary with their same cohort they were with all through primary. So they are both the oldest in their respective years but only by a few weeks each.

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Billandben444 · 19/04/2022 12:06

OP has already declined the place. I don't know whether the place would been declined if it had been at the favoured school though or whether it was the lack of free transport that swung it. Tbh it's none of my business so I'm off this one.

toomuchlaundry · 19/04/2022 12:08

Will you be happy for her to go to the out of catchment school next year as you will then get transport @LG123

ancientgran · 19/04/2022 12:09

@Quincythequince You can’t have a 19 year old in sixth form, unless special exceptions are made. The OPs daughter is August born so even if she is held back a year she will finish A levels before her 19th birthday, unless you think going in to collect her results in the August would be an issue.