RURAL RACISM

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So, I live in a predominately white area, an affluent area also. It has become apparent to me that even after decades have passed, the mixed or otherwise non white minority has never developed. I ask myself why? I find that in many rural areas this is the case and I cant understand why. Is having a housing stipulation under the council that requests that only people with family ties to the area can apply to put their name forward for the housing association schemes? is that possibly an undercurrent of racism?

Lots of people have done very well out of compensation payments for loss. Go on, educate yourself...Do a bit of reading or maybe some thinking...
https://reparationscomm.org/reparations-news/britains-colonial-shame-slave-owners-given-huge-payouts-after-abolition/

They are racist because the doll is based on the "blackface" minstrels: white performers in the US who "blacked up" to portray an insulting stereotype of black people, in performances that depicted them as lazy, stupid, oversexed and more.

I find it really depressing that it is still necessary to explain this stuff. If I'd known in the '80s, when I was rocking against racism, that it would still require explanation 40 years later, I think I might have lost the will to live. Even my 85YO MIL gets it.

They were originally made by black parents out of rags to give to their children to play with. It is modern opinion that has attached the racist connotation to it.

I agree wholeheartedly that a great many wealthy people became even more wealthy through the abolishing of slavery. But that was 200 years ago. Similar time to the Highland Clearances, where many Scots ended up moving to towns and became integral to the industrial revolution. They, as previously stated, lived an existence not dissimilar to slaves, and due to the work they had to do to eat had a life expetancy lower than some slaves accross the globe.

With that in mind, should I receive compensation for my forefathers being uprooted from their homes?

also in a predominantly white area in the Cotswolds. There is marginally more variety in population then ten years ago but not enough.

Do you have a source for this or did you just pull it out your arse?

White van man pulled it out of his arse.

Imagine being that thick and so hateful.

I’m not surprised as he showed his arse pages back.

Karma.

My understanding is the doll that became the inspiration for Florence Kate Upton was a childs toy found in an Aunts home, the Aunt had christened Golly. The origins of those dolls was Egypt where British soldiers found local children playing with dolls made out of rags. The local men working for the military were distinguished by wearing arm bands with the acronym W.O.G.S standing for working on goverment service.

The British soldiers when returning home brought these dolls as presents for their own children. Christening them Wog Dolls and they proved to be a hit and made it into a popular childrens toy.

The doll pre-existed the books where most people believe the golliwog doll came from, as such it suggests there was no racist intention in them. Furthermore in Upton's books Golly is the hero so again I question where the racist motive is.

the dolls grew out of racist minstrel caricatures

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/13/golliwog-dolls-what-are-they-and-are-they-to-display

IMO some people in the UK want to go back and revisit the arguments of the 70s, 80s, 90s in order to prevent the national debate moving forwards to what we need to do now/next.

So no source, just made up.

I am ethnically Indian and live in rural Norfolk. Love it. People are lovely here and whilst there is some racism there is less than I experienced in the Midlands where I used to live. We are in a minority but there are a reasonable number of us locally. Whilst I cannot speak for all communities in our community traditionally we live in quite large connected family groupings. Naturally therefore we congregate around urban centres. My side of the family would be connected to areas which you would expect- Southall in London and Handsworth in Birmingham. It is just the way we live. My kids have done well in school here and I would not live anywhere else.

Like most things in history, there will be contradictory information. The fact remains that the dolls existed before Upton created Golly in her books. It is referenced in many places her book was the origins of the term golliwog, As I was told yesterday. Go google.

Debate is just that. Discussing each others opinions & facts. It doesn't mean that either opinion is right or wrong. Large swathes of the population don't see a racist element in the toy they had as a kid as they never viewed him that way.

I'm sorry that WakeMeUpWhenTheyHaveGone feels I'm thick and hateful. That is not the case, and again I invite her to let me know her personal reasons why she believes reparations for slavery are applicable today and who should they paid from and who to.

There was a deleted post joking about should we get reparations from the Italians for the Roman army. Up my end of the country it is those Viking marauders from Scandinavia I want some money from! 😀

https://www.snopes.com/articles/464628/golliwog-racist-history/

It's unclear how, or based on what sources, the authors of the social media posts came to these conclusions. However, based on our research, there is no evidence to confirm a concrete link between the golliwog character displayed via dolls and children's books and the alleged use of the word "wogs" by the British in Egypt.

In any case, why you would want a doll based on a racist stereotype and with the name of a racist slur is beyond me.

We had never considered it a slur & the black children of the time likely didn't know the connection either.

Trust me, they knew.

The constant arguing over whether xyz is racist is a deliberate tactic of the far right to prevent discussion of what we need to do to move forwards.

People like Golding (Britain First) know what they're doing.

OK lets move away from the discussion about the doll.

Have a look through the past 3 pages and see which posts stereotype an entire race.
I'll go first and give the first two.

WakeMeUpWhenTheyHaveGone · 21/08/2023 22:55
Racism will only cease to exist once White people do the work.

White people need to deconstruct the system of White Supremacy that they have upheld, whether consciously or unconsciously.

White people invented racism, i.e., the classification of humans by the colour of their skin, in order to benefit themselves and to justify the disgraceful treatment of others.

I wonder how many of the race deniers on this thread have read any books on race since this thread was started last year.

or

WakeMeUpWhenTheyHaveGone · 22/08/2023 00:59
No. Please explain?
If you’re alluding to my use of the term White whilst also referring to race as a construct that was introduced by racists, then no, I have not contradicted myself as my brown-skinned ancestors did not create the terms White or Black as a means to steal, divide, brainwash/whitewash and rule.

Yeah, let's move on to the vile racist caricature you're determined to defend and on to why white people are the real victims here.

God, you're so by the numbers that in tempted to think you might be a racist troll rather than just a regular racist.

Yes because the families that did this were frequently the same families who got rich from slavery. Your family were just fortunate enough not to be physically owned by them.

Or you could say my family, like the majority of families in the UK had incredibly hard lives also and none of them became rich off slavery or it being abolished. So why should those of us that haven't benefited be classed as racist for actions taken by a incredibly tiny few.

But we have benefited. Yes, the vast wealth generated off the backs of enslaved people and of the British working class mostly went into the pockets of the capitalist owner class and stayed there. Economically though, the country as a whole has benefited from the empire and continues to do so today with, for example, lots of low paid jobs in the NHS being done by descendants of either enslaved people or from other parts of the world subjected to British colonialism. Had it not been for slavery and colonialism Britain would not have had access to the pool of immigrant labour that enabled post war reconstruction. I wouldn't call anyone a racist for what people did 200 years ago but I would take issue with people who didn't acknowledge the benefits accrued because of it. Doing that doesn't have to be at the expense of ignoring the oppression of the white working class either. There will always be individuals who, for whatever reason, are bigots, but there was actually some solidarity between enslaved people and the white working class that was ignored and unreported because it paid the ruling classes to have people divided based on the colour of their skin rather than looking at the real issues. This is still the case. Let's encourage people to hate immigrants who risk their lives to get here and ignore the fact that were being screwed over far more by politicians and their mates who run multinationals.

I absolutely think racism plays a factor. I live in a rural village and some people are VERY racist on the local Facebook group. There's a strong anti-outsider sentiment that puts me off and is one of the reasons I'm glad to be moving.

I’d be worried about moving to the countryside because of racism, I just don’t need that shit. I’m also an atheist so don’t need a place of worship and I really don’t need access to a specialist grocery store 🙄. I just don’t want to feel bloody awkward or have the staring or outright hostility. I lived in Liverpool for a while and I had black friends who were relentlessly harassed, shit through the door, fireworks through the door. They were the nicest people you would ever meet and they were faced with most grotesque behaviour.

I was in Amersham once and this south african woman wouldn’t let my husband and I sit outside her cafe to have lunch her poor assistant looked utterly embarrassed and kept giving us sympathetic looks. We ended up not buying anything and on the walk back to our car lo and behold there were people sitting outside her cafe eating. On the plus side a posh elderly gentleman was really polite gave us a very cheery “afternoon”. It stuck in my mind as it was one quite unpleasant experience but someone else was nice, but it made me feel bloody nauseous about Amersham for ages. Amersham is hardly the sticks.

You don’t understand if you haven’t been on the receiving end of it.

Also we don’t need social housing to move anywhere, I’m just not going to spend my money on living somewhere where I feel on edge and it’s a bloody shame that I can’t just forget about my own skin colour when I’m interacting with other people

@CallumDansTransitVan

OK let’s move away from the discussion about the doll.

Have a look through the past 3 pages and see which posts stereotype an entire race.
I'll go first and give the first two.

You’re hilarious and relentless, White Van Man. Read the bloody room!

White Van Man then proceeds to re-post two of my posts from four and three days ago, unsuccessfully trying deflect from his insistence on spouting racist shite about how he had such an affection and wistful childhood memories of his gollywog dolls, as did his Black friends.

Oh, and all the Black Britons he knows (who are obviously his friends) do not agree with the calls for any reparations that may be due to them/their communities.

White Van Man - How did gollywogs become a discussion point on this thread about rural racism?
This thread was created by the OP last year, so I can’t recall if another pp mentioned gollywogs before you showed up with your racist agenda. Was it you who introduced your lovely treasured childhood rag dolls to this thread?

No, we don’t have to move away from your racist and bullshit goady additions to this thread about gollywogs dolls. We all read them and are able to re-post them.