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To be really worried about my friend.

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worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 15:13

We have been friends for a long time and I have never seen her this sad. She just turned 40 which is obv a bit of emotional mind fuck in itself. She has been with her fiancée for almost ten years and got engaged a few years ago but they haven’t organised the wedding yet which I know she is desperate to do. They have also been trying for a baby for about 3 years but neither of them have had any of the tests to ascertain why it hasn’t happened for them. The last few times I have seen her she has broken down about it, probably because a couple of friends have recently become pregnant and other good friends have recently had their first child.
She and her partner drink heavily, something that I have tried to encourage her to reduce if she wants to get pregnant. She has given up smoking recently so that is a big positive. But other than that very little action to clean up lifestyle or seek medical advice. Her partner is a nice guy, very caring, funny, attentive, although a bit of a drifter. She is the breadwinner which is stressful for her as her job is physically demanding and full on. He doesn’t have a job, works freelance doing bits and pieces, not really sure what he does but he shuts himself a way in his room until late and smokes weed, and struggles to pay the rent.
She occasionally moans about him but mostly thinks he’s amazing and I know he does a lot of the house work and cooking. But I am just so worried that she is going to regret trying harder to have a child when she makes it clear to us that she wants to be a mother. She could get on the IVF waiting list but she just doesn’t take any action at all. I know it’s her life but I am worried her partner is fobbing her off. He won’t commit to a date for the wedding but says to her that he doesn’t want to have kids until they are married (although have been trying for years anyway)? And obv I have seen her change from being a happy fun person to crying when we go out and getting black out drunk.
She also said she is defo getting married this year but hasn’t got a date or venue, which might be ok if she was getting married here in a registry office (or maybe not as there is such a huge backlog) but she wants to get married abroad and there’s other complexities.
I don’t know what to do! I guess it’s not really any of my business to point stuff out. I just feel like she’s going to kick herself in a couple of years when she has missed the opportunity to have a child, and am just worried her partner is running down her biological clock because he can’t really be bothered with the responsibility of kids or what that means (having to get a proper job, security, put himself out there). He’s also admitted to another friend he is an alcoholic and often when I go round there at weekend they have a beer or cocktail at breakfast, not sure how normal this is?! She has had a lot of issues with her family over the years, and I do think she is a bit traumatised by it all. I have suggested therapy but is adamant she doesn’t need it. Another issue is she hasn’t ever paid any tax, nor does her partner, and I think they kind of like being off grid. I feel like she isn’t honest with me about how she is feeling or what’s really going on with her, it’s really hard to find a way in to help her.

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worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 15:45

Bump

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TweetTweetMF · 18/04/2022 15:51

If they are alcoholics maybe not having kids would be a good thing anyway?

Fuck bringing a child into that environment. Personally I'd leave it, it's her life if she can't be bothered to get tests booked or go onto the IVF list that's also down to her as well not just her partner.

ChairCareOh · 18/04/2022 15:59

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Haus1234 · 18/04/2022 16:02

While I am sympathetic generally, I’m not sure you can really do anything to get her to take a better look at her priorities. She is an adult and can presumably work this stuff out for herself.

Also, in my opinion, people who should be paying income tax and aren’t shouldn’t then be taking public money from the NHS so I actually wouldn’t encourage her to “get on the IVF list”.

workingmomlife · 18/04/2022 16:02

Unfortunately sometimes you have to let people make their own "mistakes" / live their own lives. She's an adult. I'd maybe have the conversation once - ask her what her plans are surrounding having children offer up some gentle truths and then leave it and let her get on with it

As for IVF if she's 40 she's probably no longer entitled to it hence why she hasn't looked into it - many trusts have an age cut off of 36 and many don't fund it at all.

Have you had to go through IVF?? It's very easy for people who've never had to consider IVF to say "she could get on the IVF wait list" - it's years long at the moment and she's already over the age cut off. Also maybe she doesn't want to put herself through it?? Oh and most NHS trusts state if you smoke you can't have IVF - that goes for the male and female patient

worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 16:05

@TweetTweetMF I mean they are defo piss heads in that their social time revolves around boozing, but they have a clean, tidy house, cook nice dinners, can drive etc - so they do have stuff going for them as parents.

Yes defo down to her. She's just very disorganised and keeps missing her window to get the blood tests done. He on the other hand just need to spunk in a cup!

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worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 16:07

@ChairCareOh she definitely wants them but perhaps it's just a dream rather than a reality? But all I know is she gets very upset about it and I don't know how she's going to reconcile all this over next few years. It's really concerning

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ThreeLittleDots · 18/04/2022 16:11

they have a clean, tidy house, cook nice dinners, can drive etc - so they do have stuff going for them as parents

None of this matters if they are raging alcoholics. You need to wise up I think and stop worrying about someone who makes zero effort to overcome their problems.

Clymene · 18/04/2022 16:11

[quote worriedfriendlondon]@ChairCareOh she definitely wants them but perhaps it's just a dream rather than a reality? But all I know is she gets very upset about it and I don't know how she's going to reconcile all this over next few years. It's really concerning [/quote]
She doesn't want them enough.

worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 16:13

@workingmomlife she is in London and it's 42 years cut off in her borough. Yes I was on the IVF waiting list a couple of years back after 2 years unexplained infertility, did all the tests, jumped through hoops etc I cleaned up my diet, exercised, lost weight, took the supplements as did my partner, got on some meds and ended up conceiving naturally.

I have had some conversations with her but wonder if I could be more pointed, one last time. I defo want to be respectful, as you say it's her life, she's an adult, I don't want to come across as a controlling friend.

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LaingsAcidTab · 18/04/2022 16:15

[quote worriedfriendlondon]@TweetTweetMF I mean they are defo piss heads in that their social time revolves around boozing, but they have a clean, tidy house, cook nice dinners, can drive etc - so they do have stuff going for them as parents.

Yes defo down to her. She's just very disorganised and keeps missing her window to get the blood tests done. He on the other hand just need to spunk in a cup![/quote]
It sounds like they're not really adults. They may be adulting, but emotionally they're still children. Better not to bring a child into that.

tiktokontheclock · 18/04/2022 16:15

They want a baby...
...but they haven't had any of the tests.

They want to get married...
But haven't organised it.

Sorry but she can do a lot to help herself here - drinking aside.

Aquamarine1029 · 18/04/2022 16:17

If she's drinking the way you claim she is, I sincerely hope she does not get pregnant.

worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 16:19

@ThreeLittleDots I wish I could stop worrying, but it's hard to see someone you love in so much pain and getting worse. I do think you are right. As much as there is worry, there is also frustration.

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worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 16:20

@Clymene I think she does but I don't think he's bothered

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worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 16:22

@tiktokontheclock Tell me about it. Very frustrating

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TweetTweetMF · 18/04/2022 16:24

Might have a clean house and can drive, but it's still not healthy to bring a baby into a piss head environment.

If she really wanted children that badly she'd sort herself out, knock the drinking on the head and get organised. Sounds like she just wants to moan without actually being proactive she has nobody to blame but herself. That's the cold hard reality.

RealBecca · 18/04/2022 16:28

Their lives sound chaotic. They (allegedly) want a baby..but arent doing the right things. They (allegedly) went to get married..but haven't organised anything.

It dorsnt sound like having a baby would suit them. Just listen to her. You arent her mum, you cant parent her. If it's too hard step back for a while.

CounsellorTroi · 18/04/2022 16:30

She may not want to put herself through IVF and want to just leave it in the lap of the gods. Which is a perfectly valid position.

worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 16:31

@TweetTweetMF I don't disagree with anything you've said. I guess I just don't know where to go from here. I have blocked out a week in the autumn when they are supposedly getting married, which is annoying to not be able to organise anything as I have a 6 month old and a busy partner.
I think I should prob stop discussing the ttc and wedding stuff with her full stop, but they are such big things that I know she wants, it's like the elephant in the room.

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DrManhattan · 18/04/2022 16:31

You sound over invested in this whole thing. Why do you care about all this more than she does?

worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 16:31

@CounsellorTroi yep absolutely, good point

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worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 16:33

@DrManhattan I mean I care about her a lot, she's my best friend of 20 years and I can see how depressed she is. She's really not herself right now. It's really hard to know how to approach these topics when she won't help herself.

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worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 16:36

@RealBecca yes you are right. I defo think a step back is a good idea as I do find it hard to talk about these things with her without giving her advice or asking where she's at with stuff. I wish I didn't care but I do

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Giraffesandbottoms · 18/04/2022 16:45

This is such a sneaky bitching thread. I don’t disagree with you - it would annoy me and I don’t think they sound like great parents anyway. But you’re basically on here just to complain about them. If you don’t like them and their situation bothers you, don’t come online with faux concern to bitch, just stop spending time with them.

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