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To be really worried about my friend.

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worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 15:13

We have been friends for a long time and I have never seen her this sad. She just turned 40 which is obv a bit of emotional mind fuck in itself. She has been with her fiancée for almost ten years and got engaged a few years ago but they haven’t organised the wedding yet which I know she is desperate to do. They have also been trying for a baby for about 3 years but neither of them have had any of the tests to ascertain why it hasn’t happened for them. The last few times I have seen her she has broken down about it, probably because a couple of friends have recently become pregnant and other good friends have recently had their first child.
She and her partner drink heavily, something that I have tried to encourage her to reduce if she wants to get pregnant. She has given up smoking recently so that is a big positive. But other than that very little action to clean up lifestyle or seek medical advice. Her partner is a nice guy, very caring, funny, attentive, although a bit of a drifter. She is the breadwinner which is stressful for her as her job is physically demanding and full on. He doesn’t have a job, works freelance doing bits and pieces, not really sure what he does but he shuts himself a way in his room until late and smokes weed, and struggles to pay the rent.
She occasionally moans about him but mostly thinks he’s amazing and I know he does a lot of the house work and cooking. But I am just so worried that she is going to regret trying harder to have a child when she makes it clear to us that she wants to be a mother. She could get on the IVF waiting list but she just doesn’t take any action at all. I know it’s her life but I am worried her partner is fobbing her off. He won’t commit to a date for the wedding but says to her that he doesn’t want to have kids until they are married (although have been trying for years anyway)? And obv I have seen her change from being a happy fun person to crying when we go out and getting black out drunk.
She also said she is defo getting married this year but hasn’t got a date or venue, which might be ok if she was getting married here in a registry office (or maybe not as there is such a huge backlog) but she wants to get married abroad and there’s other complexities.
I don’t know what to do! I guess it’s not really any of my business to point stuff out. I just feel like she’s going to kick herself in a couple of years when she has missed the opportunity to have a child, and am just worried her partner is running down her biological clock because he can’t really be bothered with the responsibility of kids or what that means (having to get a proper job, security, put himself out there). He’s also admitted to another friend he is an alcoholic and often when I go round there at weekend they have a beer or cocktail at breakfast, not sure how normal this is?! She has had a lot of issues with her family over the years, and I do think she is a bit traumatised by it all. I have suggested therapy but is adamant she doesn’t need it. Another issue is she hasn’t ever paid any tax, nor does her partner, and I think they kind of like being off grid. I feel like she isn’t honest with me about how she is feeling or what’s really going on with her, it’s really hard to find a way in to help her.

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2bazookas · 18/04/2022 16:47

IF she was desperate to have a baby she would be doing all the free, positive things you mentioned. But she hasn't.

She may tell you she wants children just to shut you up because you keep banging on about babies, fertility, diet, lifestyle etc. You make her feel inadequate.

From what you say, she has other things in her life (and age) that would account for her sadness, tears, depression.

I think you are far more invested in anxiety about childlessness than she is. Part of that is because of your own history. But you are not her, she isn't living your life. Perhaps its BEST that pair of drunks have no children. FAS can damage the child for life.

Please don't convey to her that everything about her life and her partner and lifestyle are in your view inadequate, second best, "You'll be sorry later that you didn't make more effort etc". That kind of peer pressure from a "friend" is not supportive or helpful. More likely to result in a poke in the eye, in fact.

ThreeLittleDots · 18/04/2022 16:47

I recommend Alanon for yourself OP - it's for friends or family of alcoholics to understand more about the disease and your relationship with the person.

JustDanceAddict · 18/04/2022 16:54

Probably best they don’t have kids if they are functioning alcoholics tbh. If you have booze for breakfast - like with your cornflakes on a Monday morning - that is not normal by any stretch (assume we’re not talking Buck’s Fizz or Bloody Mary on a special occasion here.
Not sure what else you can do except be there, some friends do not take well to advice anyway!!

Momijin · 18/04/2022 16:55

Hi op. You can advise but that's it. My best friend spent her 30s in either same sex relationships or male fwbs. She wanted kids but she wasn't going to get them that way. At 38 I told her that if she wanted kids she was going to have to be proactive and look at either ivf and sperm donation and stop seeing someone who just wanted fwb. She got breast cancer at 40 which put her in early menopause so never had kids.

And another friend who said she did want kids but didn't ttc and then divorced her husband when she was late 30s.

For me having kids has always been massively important so I would have been extremely proactive in only being with someone who wanted kids or if I was single I would have gone down the sperm donation.

So I just think that some people can't want certain things badly enough. Like I could earn a lot more than I am earning now and it would be nice but i don't really do anything about it. And I keep volunteering and spend at least 20% of my time doing pro bono stuff - sometimes more. So money clearly doesn't motivate me enough.

FabFitFifties · 18/04/2022 16:55

I really wouldn't be encouraging parenthood. They sound very unsuitable parents - drinking alcohol from breakfast time and weed are very difficult habits to break. Conceiving whilst indulging in these habits could be very harmful to baby, never mind if it continued through pregnancy and the child's life. Your friend may be able to change, but can her partner? She sounds very unlikely to drop him. Things are likely to get worse rather than better- be prepared for that. It must be horrible to watch, but it's her life, her decisions. Also, are they driving under the influence of alcohol/weed? It seems likely given their breakfast choices.

disorganisedasalways · 18/04/2022 17:04

You do sound far more invested in their life and their relationship than they are.
They drink a lot and he smokes weed. With that alone they'd struggle to get on the NHS for IVF.
I've had IVF and IUI for years. You need to do urine tests etc to prove you're not smoking, they ask how much you drink etc.
I wouldn't book a whole week off 'just jncase' they choose a date to get married sometime that week. They'd need to give the actual date and then book that date off.
You're doing more for them than they're doing for themselves.
If they truly wanted to get married and have children, they'd make steps towards that. You've suggested therapy (which I think is a great idea) and she's said no. It's their choice. If they regret it then that is a shame, but it is still their life and their decisions.
Maybe take a step back, you don't need to offer them suggestions etc - when she's saying to you she really wants children, put it back on her and say something like "what are you doing to help with that? What options have you considered?"

Otherwise you'll keep trying to help and leave feeling very frustrated.

disorganisedasalways · 18/04/2022 17:12

In addition to my previous message - IVF requires commitment. A lot of commitment.

When I've had I've it has meant attending appointments every 48 hours for blood tests and scans.
Taking medication and injections at the same time every day.
You have to attend every medical appointment as there is no flexibility for messing about. Then there's the egg retrieval and embryo transfer etc.
Are they truly ready for a process like that?

worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 17:15

@2bazookas I think you've made some really good deductions there and definitely given me stuff to think about.
I do often say things to support / validate a child free life, and I definitely don't paint a blissful picture of what life as a parent is, I am very honest about how hard it can be. But she is adamant she wants them and tells all our other friends too. I defo will not be putting on any pressure, I think we talk a lot about the wedding and having babies and there's a lot of chat about it in our friendship group as one of us is pregnant and others are trying, so it's hard to avoid.

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worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 17:18

@Giraffesandbottoms I see your point and prob some truth in it, however I am very worried about her and looking for some help in how I can shift my communication style/approach. I don't want to make it worse.

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worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 17:19

@JustDanceAddict more like a Buck's Fizz or a 'breakfast beer' with Saturday eggs Benedict - no week day breakfast boozing thankfully!

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ThreeLittleDots · 18/04/2022 17:23

Could it be that she deeply regrets her life choices, feels stuck and it's coming out as this displaced panic?

lemongreentea · 18/04/2022 17:28

@DrManhattan

You sound over invested in this whole thing. Why do you care about all this more than she does?
This.

She is a piss-head so bringing a baby into it would be a disaster. You sound too involved in your friends life, is that because she is always moaning to you about her problems or you are avoiding your own life problems and focusing on hers?

You can't fix her or her many issues, and it's not your job in the first place.

AlternativePerspective · 18/04/2022 17:30

Are you really worried about her? Or is it that she’s not the person she used to be and you want to get that person back?

They live the kind of lifestyle which could well end up in having their children removed at birth because of the impact her drinking and their general lifestyle could have on the baby.

Having a clean house really doesn’t cut it when you’re a parent. A clean house can hide a multitude of things,because it’s just superficial.

You need to stop encouraging these people to have children. No child deserves to be born into that environment.

worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 17:37

@disorganisedasalways thanks so much for your thoughts, defo I think take a step back and also change how I respond to her when she raises stuff, defo will not be raising stuff myself anymore.
And no I don't think she's ready for IVF, tbh who is, it's such a huge deal, but maybe if she got on the list it would give her some choices and she'd have a lot of support around her.

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ThinWomansBrain · 18/04/2022 17:38

sounds as if they need a rehab program more than a child

worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 17:39

@ThreeLittleDots yes it could be and I don't know what to do to help, it's horrible to see her unravelling and she won't open up to me at all. When she does she just explodes.

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worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 17:51

@lemongreentea I am hoping they'd both fix up a bit but knowing them I do think they'd be good parents if they cleaned up their act a bit, as many do when a baby is on the way.

I mean my life is pretty good, everyone has stuff they want to change/fix but I have most the things I ever wanted and have worked very hard to get them too. So I don't think it's a deflection, no.

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GiveMeNovocain · 18/04/2022 17:58

I struggled to stay pregnant and decided not to have ivf as getting pregnant wasn't the issue and it increased my risk factor of having another ectopic. I also couldn't cope with the additional hormones and rollercoaster of ups and downs on top of my own heartbreak. Your friend will have her own reasons. If anyone had told me that I wasn't trying hard enough they'd have been an ex friend very quickly

beastlyslumber · 18/04/2022 18:00

There's nothing you can do. Just be a friend. If and when she sees that she needs some help, be there to listen.

You could say, "I'm worried about you, you don't seem yourself. I know there must be a lot going on for you. If you ever want to talk about anything, I want to listen."

worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 18:09

@GiveMeNovocain thanks for sharing and defo point taken - I think she must just want to leave it up to fate. If it happens it happens, if not then so be it

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worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 19:09

@beastlyslumber thanks for the advice, yes I will definitely say something alone those lines when the moment arises but otherwise taking a bit of a step back x

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nitsandwormsdodger · 18/04/2022 19:53

You sound more like her mum than a friend
Friends should accept you as you are, not try to “fix you up”
Keep conversations off marriage and babies she can sort that out for herself

Embracelife · 18/04/2022 19:58

If she seems depressed
Suggest she sees gp and sees a therapist
that is all you can do
At 40 chances,are not going to be high for ivf are they?

worriedfriendlondon · 18/04/2022 21:16

@nitsandwormsdodger fair point and good advice, thank you!

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