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To think handling difficult MILs can be really tough?

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MILfatigue · 18/04/2022 09:49

My MIL of more than 20 years is lovely, fun and generous - until some unseen trigger is pressed, and then she completely changes. She becomes unpleasant, negative, finds fault with everything you say and do, makes relentless snide remarks, pulls faces to indicate her deep displeasure about any single comment you make, no matter how seemingly harmless (taking vitamins, how to cook something). The preferred victims are my 17yo DD (her granddaughter) and me. My DD in particular really gets it when Batshit Mode is activated. If her father or I are not around, my MIL will be quite nasty and even insulting. In front of an audience, or to me, a grown-up with more rights to expect respect, we get the snide side more - petty digs, incessant questioning, pulling faces.

My husband watches this in deep distress and feels very sorry, especially for our daughter, who would love a loving relationship with her grandma. There is no question of him or me pulling his mum up on it, because he fears it would end in WWIII, and I agree. It wouldn't be worth it. I have a temper and if it goes the confrontation way she will end up being the victim, and I'm not giving her the satisfaction.

The question is, what then? I've already resolved to cut opportunities for future contact between DD and her to the bare minimum. I'm not exposing DD to this toxicity anymore. but what about DH and me? We don't see them often - they live a few hours drive from us - so we could go very low contact. We already are, particularly since Covid. That is what DH would prefer, but it makes me sad, though. Family is very important to me. I love my side of our family, but I've got very little left of it, and I have always had hopes that relationships with his side will improve. But the stress of fearing The Switch and watching it come on every single time at the most unexpected point, plus the frustration and rage of having to put up with it and not feeling equipped or able to deal with it, respond to it, defend us from it - it is all too much. We are staying with them at the moment and after a singularly fine display of batshittery yesterday, I've been awake since 5am fretting about it all.

Is little to no contact the only answer? Are there better ways of handling of this? Could I do better? Is there a way of asserting oneself that doesn't lead to conflict? The truth is deep down that I blame myself for not being able to handle it better. It is tough, isn't it?

Thank you for reading all this.

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altforvarmt · 18/04/2022 11:54

That your MIL can be "lovely, fun and generous" and also awful makes me think that it's possible to tackle this. It's all under her control. If she was consistently awful, LC/NC would be the only way forward.

I'm mindful that she lives a distance away, but I'd be inclined to visit as normal, but cut the visit short as soon as her behaviour turns. Have a phrase to turn out "oh dear, this doesn't seem to be a good time for us to visit", and get up and go. Don't negotiate, don't get into an argument. Just a cheery bye with a see you next time. Rinse and repeat.

I have a DGM who gets snide at my sisters and my female cousins. They all put up with it, and complain later about how hurtful she is. She doesn't do it to me, because years ago I used to leave at the first sign of snideness, and for some unknown reason she seems to like my company and prefers it when I stay put. She's in total control of her behaviour.

Show your DD that she doesn't have to be subjected to this. If this doesn't work, it's totally reasonable to go LC.

Acheyknees · 18/04/2022 12:15

Just leave when she changes, I'd make a comment like 'oh MIL is getting one of her turns again, it's time we left' and Go. Don't allow this behaviour to continue. Treat her like the toddler she's behaving like.

PersephonePomegranate · 18/04/2022 12:28

That your MIL can be "lovely, fun and generous" and also awful makes me think that it's possible to tackle this. It's all under her control. If she was consistently awful, LC/NC would be the only way forward.

But that's also how deeply unpleasant people get away with it - by being charming on the surface.

Momicrone · 18/04/2022 12:32

Its not mother in laws in particular, it's difficult people. Say something every time it happens, stand up to them.

MILfatigue · 18/04/2022 12:33

Thank you for all your responses. I'm taking everything on board. Some comments are harsh but not inaccurate; some are disproportionate or far off the mark, but even those contain useful nuggets. I realise it is hard to paint a fully accurate picture of the situation. But for those concerned about the impact on my daughter's self esteem, the contact isn't regular or extensive, due to the distance, and, lately, Covid. Prior to this visit, we hadn't spent time together in more than 2 years. My own mother is infinitely loving, supportive, and encouraging, and DD has had much more exposure to that than to toxic granny.

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NoFitStateMum · 18/04/2022 12:34

Two thoughts from me:

I wonder if men have similar issues with their MILs?
Many MNers who moan about MILs will be MILs themselves one day.

bellebeautifu1 · 18/04/2022 12:42

DH and I have difficulties with MIL, which is presicely why we never stay with MIL and her second DH (they also live quite a distance away). Whenever we went to visit, we would always stay with my friend who lives in the same area and pop over to pay our dues for a visit. TBH she's not that bad that we have to go NC, however we keep an arms length because she is a difficult woman to deal with and we do not have much in common.

I would suggest staying in a motel / hotel / BnB that way you can bail when things get rough.

Sillydoggy · 18/04/2022 12:42

I have a similar situation with my 15 year old DD and my FIL although not as extreme. I deal with it by discussing it with DD. We talk about what he says, why he behaves like that, the fact that he does it to others and how long it has been going on. I am very open about my experiences of it and how I have handled it (or not handled it). We talk about what would happen if we spoke out, how she could react to it - do you answer back, ignore it, leave etc. She also knows that she doesn't have to visit but what the likely consequences of that will be (birthday presents being withheld). We may not be having it out with him (a generally fruitless exercise) but she feels much more in control of the situation and knows, importantly, that it is not personal to her.

DFOD · 18/04/2022 12:54

@Sillydoggy

I have a similar situation with my 15 year old DD and my FIL although not as extreme. I deal with it by discussing it with DD. We talk about what he says, why he behaves like that, the fact that he does it to others and how long it has been going on. I am very open about my experiences of it and how I have handled it (or not handled it). We talk about what would happen if we spoke out, how she could react to it - do you answer back, ignore it, leave etc. She also knows that she doesn't have to visit but what the likely consequences of that will be (birthday presents being withheld). We may not be having it out with him (a generally fruitless exercise) but she feels much more in control of the situation and knows, importantly, that it is not personal to her.
Wow - why are you teaching your daughters to appease abusers
LetitiaLeghorn · 18/04/2022 12:59

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LetitiaLeghorn · 18/04/2022 12:59

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Sillydoggy · 18/04/2022 13:01

DFOD - what a curiously rude and unhelpful response.

ChateauxNeufDePoop · 18/04/2022 13:03

@Sillydoggy

I have a similar situation with my 15 year old DD and my FIL although not as extreme. I deal with it by discussing it with DD. We talk about what he says, why he behaves like that, the fact that he does it to others and how long it has been going on. I am very open about my experiences of it and how I have handled it (or not handled it). We talk about what would happen if we spoke out, how she could react to it - do you answer back, ignore it, leave etc. She also knows that she doesn't have to visit but what the likely consequences of that will be (birthday presents being withheld). We may not be having it out with him (a generally fruitless exercise) but she feels much more in control of the situation and knows, importantly, that it is not personal to her.
Sorry but that's really not great. All you're doing is showing her to modify her behaviour to stop someone being unreasonable and that there's a link between that and rewards (birthday presents) if she complies.
Iputthetrampintrampoline · 18/04/2022 13:05

I am going to be really blunt and i do apologise in advance OP! You state you are quite strong and prone to temper but reign it in,can I ask why? Because I don;t think you are. The reason for this is by you shutting up and accepting MILs terrible behaviour especially towards your daughter which is greviously unfair,uncalled for and down right awful yet you say nothing.You consult your husband and us but fuck me my darling all you are doing is giving MIL unspoken permission to carry on behaving as she likes. Being strong is pointing out how unacceptable she is and showing your daughter that you have her back and you are on her side and will do whatever it takes to protect her. You are being so very unreasonable in trying to manage this womans wicked behaviour at any cost even at the expense of your precious daughter who by default cannot stand up to this woman herself due in part to her age and inexperience and also in part knowing you will avoid trouble at any cost.No way to teach a young lady how to grow and equipe her for the future, Her Gran is in the wrong in treating her badly ...stop letting it happen. Fuck MIL fuck Dh for if he stands by and watches his daughter be targeted he is no better, You say he feels deep distress well in my opinion he is not distrressed half as much as he should be at his daughter being submitted to such vileness. Sometimes we have to stand our ground and especially protect our kids, Your daughter is not there to be put in the firing line for any nastiness your mil wishes to impart. The only way to deal with this and not let your daughter down anymore than she has been is to demand it stops.As soon as she starts tell her to shut up and keep her opinions to herself or you will leave there and then and do it. She is getting away with this soley because all of you are letting her,What makes her so special her feelings and wants over ride any thing you all do? I am sorry for sounding harsh but do you ever want your darling daughter ever to turn round and tell you what a crap mum you were and how let down she felt as a child due to your weakness in not protecting her from her Grans vicious tongue?It is a horrible day when your kids hold you to accoiunt and i dont ever want that for you.I just want you to see this is not normal,not normal to try to tie yourself in knots to keep the peace,Its not your job to try to keep a balanced relationship when someone has given themselves the right to destroy it by being mean,The fault,the blame is purely down to mIL who chooses to be like this,She chooses actively chooses to be nasty and judgemental without a care or thought of anyone elses feelings.You cannot fix that,Mil can fix that by being decent she is choosing not to do that so I would remove myself and my family out of the situation so it cannot happen,its all you can do.

BrightonBunny · 18/04/2022 13:07

Well I wouldn't expose myself or my precious DD to her at all.

Surely if DH wants to see her he can do so alone?

Iamnotamermaid · 18/04/2022 13:12

Like every has so said. If you are staying with her and she becomes nasty just makes your excuses (it seems we have outstayed our welcome as I'd leave) and go. No drama, fuss or discussion.

No need for WWIII ...just a quiet withdrawal from the situation. I would also be avoiding high risk events like Christmas etc....

MinnieGirl · 18/04/2022 13:16

If my MIL had been rude to me at a national trust place, I would have left. You really don’t have to put up with this behaviour!
Protect your daughter and show her how strong a mother can be.

Don’t stay over when you visit. At the first comment shut it down. If she continues leave. Let her carry in and slate you… just leave. She’s behaving like a toddler so treat her like one . Granny’s having one of her tantrums so let’s just ignore her, and if she’s still going in ten minutes we will leave. It doesn’t have to be like this…

LetHimHaveIt · 18/04/2022 13:17

@Sillydoggy

DFOD - what a curiously rude and unhelpful response.
You think hers is the 'curiously rude and unhelpful response'?

Quite mad.

You're the one cautioning their daughter that if she doesn't visit her badly-behaved FiL she might not . . . get a birthday present 🙄

LetHimHaveIt · 18/04/2022 13:19

Absolutely bizarre that you seem to have these elaborate pre-and post-match analyses whereby everyone unpicks his behaviour and their response to it and what they might do differently next time.

What's the bloody point?

LetHimHaveIt · 18/04/2022 13:22

I have to assume you're all living in penury, or something, and can't go NC in case the purse strings are cut.

Cazalet · 18/04/2022 13:28

Put your daughter first. It’s that simple. You are not being a good mother. Too weak and passive. Your DH is also not being a good father. Just because she (your MIL) is a close relative does not excuse nasty behaviour.

You should have had your daughters back a long time ago. What are you scared of? WW111 indeed, don’t be ridiculous. Stand up for your daughter and stop namby pambying around.

LoveAllCakes · 18/04/2022 13:30

There is no question of him or me pulling his mum up on it, because he fears it would end in WWIII, and I agree

Your DH needs to sort his mother out WWIII or not. You and your family don’t deserve to be treated so horribly.
My PIL had their moments but there was nothing but love for their GC. I can’t imagine how awful this must be for you all Flowers

WalkWithDignityAndPride · 18/04/2022 13:31

Just sacrifice your daughter so you and husband can avoid any unpleasantness, there's a good girl.

Fuck's sake, do it. You're volatile, so get the cunt told, have WW3 and let your daughter move on without this toxic bitch in her life and have the life lesson that you don't have to deal with toxic people.

If Spineless needs validation from his mother, let him, but there is no need for you or DD to be anywhere near her. I would also make it clear that the WW3 he wants to avoid is nothing compared to the WW3 his home life would be if he doesn't get the cunt sorted.

WalkWithDignityAndPride · 18/04/2022 13:34

One other thing, suitable for GPs who have boundary issues, not those who don't - the Three Do's:

Do you love your grandchild(ren)?
Do you want a relationship with them?
Do what you're fucking told.

Anyone with an iota of respect don't need this reinforcing, anyone like your MIL needs to be told as bluntly as possible.

PragmaticWench · 18/04/2022 13:34

Your DH has probably been conditioned not to question his DM. Even so, the fact he's wringing his hands and 'despairing' whilst his child is abused (and it is sustained abuse) is utterly pathetic. Harsh as that sounds.

Your DH may need a therapist to support him but he needs to make a plan and protect his child from his DM.

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