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To be unsure if my parents were good or bad?

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purpleplatypus2022 · 16/04/2022 16:18

Looking for an honest appraisal here... I was discussing my childhood with a couple of friends last night... one seemed horrified at it, whilst the other said it was fairly normal and nothing to get worked up about. Would appreciate people's honest impressions and feedback.

Long story short.. I grew up in a typical lower middle-class household in a town in the north that's seen much better days. My dad grew up quite poor in a large family whereas my mother was raised as a single child by a single mom (her dad ran off with another woman when she was very young).

Both parents were quite distant - no hugs, kisses, and my dad was prone to bursts of anger e.g. when me or my brother caused a mess. Not all the time, just a few times a year, so it was hard to know what would set him off. This made me quite wary of him and hyper-alter to possible things that might set him off. The worst such incident was when in a rage he threw my favourite doll in the bin after I without thinking I walked through the house in muddy boots, leaving footprints everywhere. After each such outburst he would usually sulk in his room for several hours/a day, then emerge as if nothing had happened. Often he would later buy us toys, video games etc. as if to make up for it. My mom never once challenged him on this behaviour and in fact tried to placate him everytime it happened.

As you can imagine from her childhood my mom has fairly low self-esteem and is prone to depression. As far as I know my dad is the only man she ever dated. Neither of them had any close friends. The more I think about it the more it seems that she was absolutely unwilling risk the marriage in any way and end up alone, and so she put that above our needs. She also only had a poorly-paid part time clerking job in a local bank so she was probably financially dependent as well. Their marriage was based on quite a rigid gender divide on chores (mom did all the cooking and cleaning, dad the lawn, DIY, bills). To this day I don’t think my dad even knows how to make something simple like cheese on toast. They remain together seemingly out of habit and routine and mutual dependence.

That said I have quite a lot of nice memories from childhood – we weren’t rich by any means but we had annual holidays to Scotland, all the toys etc. we wanted, and they encouraged us to read, apply myself at school, visit museums etc. It was not horrific by any stretch of the imagination, as my friend pointed out (she was hit by her strict father on multiple occasions).

However when adolescence come round they seemed to completely lose interest tbh. It's as if now that we had a mind of our own and could no longer be 'bought off' with toys that they had no idea to deal with us. I received zero guidance or advice from them about the adult world. Literally none - they told me nothing about dating, sex, periods, money, jobs, personal hygiene, alcohol/drugs. I had to learn all of this by myself or via friends. My dad would often moan that me and my brother did nothing around the house, but when we offered to help or asked how to do things (e.g. how to mow the lawn) he would just dismiss us and say 'I'll do it - you'd only mess it up anyway'. His outbursts grew less frequent though he seemed to sink into apathy as we grew more and more distant. He hated his job (lower level manager at a local hospital) and was constantly moaning about it and guilt-tripping me and my brother (’10 more years of this as I’ve got to pay off this house you two live in’, ‘I’d be free of this burden if it wasn’t for you kids’ etc.). As far as I know he never once tried to change careers – he just grimly stuck with it down to retirement. There was probably also some resentment at mom’s part-time job and financial dependence on him.

My mom grew aimless as we grew more independent – the latter had to be fought for as she seemed determined to cling to the mother role (e.g. she insisted on bathing us until we 12, and bought all of our clothes until we were 16 - both of these only stopped when we forced it.). At the time I thought this was because she cared for us, but now I can’t help but feel it was more that she was unwilling to let go of the mother role as she had nothing to replace it with.

My brother reacted to all this by getting involved with the local ne’er-do-wells– drink, drugs, partying etc. I just withdrew almost completely. I taught myself most of the life lessons my parents had not imparted. One incident sticks in my mind: I was 17 and it was the first year I didn’t go on holiday to Scotland with them. Instead I went to Paris for a weekend with a friend (my first trip abroad). I didn’t tell them – I planned and booked it all (ferries, hotel etc.) on my own. I told them I was going a week before. The day of leaving I got up very early to get a bus to the local train station, to get the train to Dover, and my dad also got up and absolutely insisted on driving me there. I was furious – I was quite proud with myself for booking the whole trip independently and this seemed like a deliberate attempt to insinuate himself into ‘my’ thing, to make himself feel useful and needed and to try and take back some control, and I almost just walked out the door. My mom encouraged me to relent and I did and we all just sat in the car in mutual resentment as he drove me to the station.

This continued for years…. I then went to uni on the other side other country, and later moved to London, so I rarely see them. I don’t mind visiting now and again for a weekend but that’s it – any longer and all the old feelings come bubbling up. One trip my dad started getting all angry after I accidentally split a coffee on the table and (after cleaning it up) I told him in no uncertain terms that anymore of that and I'd be getting the next train back to London (which he accepted after sulking for an hour in his study). In many ways I feel sorry for my parents as they had difficult childhoods and so never gained the love or parenting skills they needed. My first couple of relationships were disasters as I ended with men quite similar to my father – distant, uncommunicative, prone to behaviour like sulking or passive-aggression etc. After a bout of therapy I learned why this was and am now happily with a kind, responsible and mature man who I would like to children with one day.

Note I am NOT looking for pity. I long ago accepted things that happened and moved on. As my friend said, things could have been a hell of a lot worse. She even said that in some ways my hyper-independence and lack of visiting is quite selfish.

However my other friend, who comes from a very close family, says that my family were deeply dysfunctional, neglectful and emotionally abusive.

I would like to know people's thoughts on all this. I'm torn between the two views but lack the objectivity to evaluate it fairly.

OP posts:
TabbyMcTatBuskersCat · 16/04/2022 16:21

I don't think that's horrific at all. Not sure if it's "standard" but it sounds far preferable to mine.

lemongreentea · 16/04/2022 16:26

Your parents sound distant and neglectful. Your father borderline abusive mother passive.

But you understand the reasons why and their were some good parts and you have your life together now despite the lack of guidance from them?

misssunshine4040 · 16/04/2022 16:28

I hope this thread doesn't turn into a race to the bottom with who had the worst childhood.

Your childhood sounds typical of the time and financial circumstances your parents had.
Probably a bit dysfunctional but not necessarily abusive?

Your situation resonates with my own and I made life choices based subconsciously on my experiences growing up

I'm aware now and try my hardest to rectify this.

How is your relationship with your parents now?

HeadacheGrey · 16/04/2022 16:36

Doesn't sound that bad at all. Your dad even offered to drive you to the station - what a horror Confused

Rno3gfr · 16/04/2022 16:36

I think you’ve rationalised everything perfectly in your post. Your parents were dysfunctional and they caused damage to you as children, but ultimately they cared and wanted to be good parents but had emotional issues and lacked the tools to care for your emotions properly- hence throwing gifts at you out of guilt. It sounds like neither of your parents were fulfilled with their own lives and thus the outcome of their stress transferred onto you as children- which really isn’t fair but sadly isn’t uncommon. I think possibly you may benefit from counselling as you definitely didn’t have a settled or easy childhood.

5plus5 · 16/04/2022 16:43

No parents are perfect OP. I’m not really sure what you want people to say. They sound fairly typical of their demographic at just time. Far worse things happen in families than a dad who has a few shouting outbursts in a year and a mum who is a bit passive. Also, your dad insisting on driving you to a train station on your first independent trip abroad is hardly the worst thing that could happen. As I said, sounds like they struggled in some ways, but I wouldn’t call any of that abusive at all.

ComDummings · 16/04/2022 16:46

@5plus5

No parents are perfect OP. I’m not really sure what you want people to say. They sound fairly typical of their demographic at just time. Far worse things happen in families than a dad who has a few shouting outbursts in a year and a mum who is a bit passive. Also, your dad insisting on driving you to a train station on your first independent trip abroad is hardly the worst thing that could happen. As I said, sounds like they struggled in some ways, but I wouldn’t call any of that abusive at all.
I agree with this ^

They don’t sound good. But they don’t sound completely bad. Nobody is perfect, nobody gets parenting completely right.

x2boys · 16/04/2022 16:48

No parents are perfect ,it's fine to recognise the times parents got things wrong but most parents love and care for their kids
I'm 48 my parents have never once said they love me but I absolutely know they do by everything they have done for me ,I never felt I wasn't loved ,my mum could be very controlling when I was younger but she also had many good points ,humans are complicated.

glowingcandle · 16/04/2022 16:51

They definitely weren't perfect and some of it wasn't nice (especially throwing your favourite doll away, that was horrible) but I wouldn't say it sounds particularly bad.

Some of it is very much of its time, as just one example I wouldn't criticise your dad for not trying to change careers even though he was unhappy. People just didn't do that as commonly as they do now. It was a different time.

fairylightsandwaxmelts · 16/04/2022 16:55

Nobody is ever going to get it completely right.

You don't say how old you are, but it just sounds like a pretty normal, average upbringing to me. I think you're over-analysing it all a bit much, tbh.

ThruTheKeyholes · 16/04/2022 16:56

I think I'd look at it differently to good v bad. You are at a time in life where it's useful to reflect on life lessons and upbringing.
I do think we all grow up when we stop wishing our parents had been any better than they were.
Having said all that and to answer your question I think the person calling it deeply dysfunctional is being a bit overdramatic but then we all measure by our own upbringing. For me your father sounds like he had very unreasonable expectations of children and your mum was sadly unable to assert herself to defend you.
If I had to calibrate your family in what you have said I'd say that it functioned reasonably enough on the surface but with emotional blocks.

SadButTheTruth · 16/04/2022 16:57

I think your parents were good and bad - as most are - and if you were at peace with it, it’s a shame your friend has made this into an issue. My husband had a very similar sounding father and has basically shrugged it off and moved on with his own life. If you feel that you are carrying some emotional damage though counselling has been really helpful for us (other family issues)

Blossomtoes · 16/04/2022 17:01

It sounds like a pretty standard childhood. My dad wouldn’t have driven me to the station, he’d have taken my passport away and told me I wasn’t going!

The expectation of parents was very different in the past.

SheWoreYellow · 16/04/2022 17:02

Depends a bit on your age. If you’re 20 it’s unusually crap. If you’re more like mid 40s then it sounds not great but not unusual - from what I have to compare against.

SkoolShoes · 16/04/2022 17:07

I have similarities in my background. I have had similar conflicts going on in my head/heart.

From your post I think it seems your parents, largely, tried their best. With thier lack of parenting when they grew up, their best was not great as they didn't have anything great to model it on. This is how I have come to terms with my parents. And even the odd bits which did/do "hurt" - largely still came from them trying their best.

I think, as PP have said - not an ideal upbringing but not abusive.

princesspq · 16/04/2022 17:09

I think I had a very similar upbringing, although on a lesser scale. I don't think my parents had a lot of the skills needed for parenting but they did show me more love and affection than you've described.

I believe years ago there was more expectation to do the norm, settle down get married and have children, resulting in a lot of people becoming parents, who if born into today's society would choose to remain childless.

PinkSyCo · 16/04/2022 17:14

Apart from the fact that your dad seems to have been more childish than mine with the sulking your upbringing sounds pretty similar ( better in many ways) to mine. It was very different back in the day.

AnnaKorine · 16/04/2022 17:20

This sounds very familiar to me and I kinda assumed it was pretty normal in the 80s/90s. I also always figured my parents’ lack of advice about grown up things is they really had limited life experience themselves. I wouldn’t say it sounds abusive to me.

ThruTheKeyholes · 16/04/2022 19:08

I had parents who simply couldn't offer advice around higher education and careers.
They also expected that I would want to make my own mind up on relationships.
I'm now thankful that all my successes and mistakes have been my own.

707smile · 16/04/2022 19:22

All parents are complex human beings. However I think purely from what you've said that your parents emotionally neglected you and your father's behaviour was abusive at times. From what you've said, I do imagine that your Mum loves you and that your Dad had a very challenging childhood and a rage issue but he should never have chucked out your lovely doll- that's so incredibly cruel.

Cherryana · 16/04/2022 19:28

You basically described my childhood to a tee. Including my parents not really being parented themselves very well and so lacking parenting skills.

How are you now? Are you (mostly) happy?

ChampagneLassie · 16/04/2022 19:36

This really resonates with me, my upbringing had a lot of similarities. I've had tonnes of therapy and I found Phillipa Perry's book amazing. Having recently become a mother myself I am very conscious of not repeating mistakes and also wondering what sort of relationship we will have now

sweetbambi · 16/04/2022 19:39

some of it does sound dysfunctional but that does not mean it is something that does not happen in a lot of other families or that there are not cases that are more severe. I do at times envy fiancé for how stable his family is but I do also know in my heart my family was broken in ways I can't imagine and it does not mean that I was not loved. both my parents did the best they could to love me.

Maybeitstimeforachange · 16/04/2022 19:47

Sounds familiar to me.

Livelovebehappy · 16/04/2022 20:02

Pretty much what life used to be like for me. Like you, I experienced unpleasantness - mum slapping me on the face multiple times for small stuff, ie once I made some buns at school and shared a couple with a friend on the way home, and she was furious, slapping me around the face for a good five minutes. But then I too remember holidays and being well fed, well clothed. I couldn't state though that my childhood was great - not bad but not good, just somewhere in the middle. I've learnt from it though, and hope my dc say their memories are better than mine. Although no parent is perfect.

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