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if you think windmills are ugly what do you think of pylons?

92 replies

12yearsinazkaban · 12/04/2022 09:11

Or solar panels?

We have ugly looking lampposts on every street. not as big but just as ugly. Big massive triangular towers that buzz in the rain? they are everywhere. some in people's back bloody gardens, not to mention the big boxed off electric areas that have the electric will kill you warning sign.
Cities are full of them, every other road has one so why no wind Mills?

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Thoosa · 12/04/2022 16:12

@Ifailed

I’d love to travel back 100 years or so and see the UK and the world before them.

Like this?

Well, yes. All of it.

I know what you’re getting at but both sides of the coin are what would make the past so foreign. It’s all part of industrialisation.

Both city and country have changed so much, and they both used to me even more alien to each other than they are now.

When you think that most of us will have at least one ancestor that moved to a sooty city from an unlit village at the time of the industrial revolution, it’s all quite a lot to imagine isn’t it? Their journeys? Ours? The creep of “progress”?

moonbedazzled · 12/04/2022 16:12

@Ifailed

I’d love to travel back 100 years or so and see the UK and the world before them.

Like this?

Oh yes, I agree. Awful. This weekend we went to Beamish Village museum and it was "steam day" so loads of people brought their steam engines to show off and were driving round the roads, chugging out reams of smoke from the coal fired engines. The smell of the smoke was stifling and gave me a headache. It's the first time in the whole pandemic where I actively sought out wearing a mask. We are so lucky in this country to have such good air quality.
CaptainMyCaptain · 12/04/2022 16:13

I don't think wind turbines are ugly. I have a view of one from my kitchen window. I can't hear any noise either. Before they put it up the engineers put a big microphone in our garden to record the ambient sound then did it again once it was up to see if there was a difference.

The people who object to them in their neighbourhood should be asked if they would prefer a coal fired or nuclear power station instead.

Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 12/04/2022 16:25

I love pylons. Happy to live next door to them. Wind generators are horrible to live by - been their and got the t shirt.

CraftyGin · 12/04/2022 16:27

I don't think wind turbines and pylons are mutually exclusive.

junglejane66 · 12/04/2022 16:30

@ILikeCrapTelly

I misread 'windmills' as 'windowsills' in your title and had no idea what you were talking about Grin
I thought it said 'pythons'

Our title is better

if you think windowsills are ugly what do you think of pythons?

Elphame · 12/04/2022 16:31

[quote 1dayatatime]**@Elphame* @Theimpossiblegirl*

I was looking down from the top of Crooks Peak yesterday and they are so obtrusive. Old fashioned pylons would probably have blended better.

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Ironically National Grid specifically used a new pylon design for the Hinkley Power station connection in order not to spoil the view from Crooks Peak! [/quote]
Couldn't make it up could you!

Strugglingtodomybest · 12/04/2022 16:52

The turbines also use sulphur hexafluoride a gas that's 23,500 times more warming than CO2 and it warms the earth for at least 1000 years.

SF6 is used not in the turbine itself, but in the switchgear that controls the current generated by the turbine. But there is nothing unique about wind turbines. The gas is used in switchgear in many other power applications.

SF6 has two uses: as an interruption agent and an insulator. "Unlike a light switch that breaks a simple electrical circuit, doing the same in a higher-rated application is more challenging and additional protection is needed. Typically, a mechanical circuit breaker is used inside a pocket of SF6 gas that to extinguish the electric arc. At present, it is the most compact and cheapest method of safely stopping the flow of electricity," explains SINTEF researcher Atle Pedersen.

However, comparing wind turbines with other power applications of SF6 must be set in context. "The amount of the gas used in the switchgear of a wind turbine is typically less than three kilograms. A substation for overhead power lines may require several tonnes, creating a substantially bigger environmental problem should a leak occur. Suitable alternatives to SF6 will also be available more quickly for lower-voltage applications such as turbine switchgear," adds Pedersen.

Taken from: phys.org/news/2020-01-sulfur-hexafluoride-truths-myths-greenhouse.html

MiddleOfThePack · 12/04/2022 16:54

Zazdar - yes, why white? There must be a proper scientific explanation?

MiddleOfThePack · 12/04/2022 16:55

zazdar - here you go!

energyfollower.com/why-are-wind-turbines-white/

Genevieva · 12/04/2022 16:56

Pylons and fields of solar panels are far more ugly than wind turbines. But we also need food security and local produce is better for the environment than shipping it from the other side of the world. There are also some particularly spectacular natural landscapes that deserve to be preserved without the clutter of any of these things. Everything in moderation. Brighton has wind turbines at sea, which is a great option.

Antarcticant · 12/04/2022 17:02

Love pylons. I can see pylons through my window. A view of pylons is a bonus for me. Pylons rock.

dottydodah · 12/04/2022 17:04

Dont mind pylons (unless in front garden!) Wind turbines are ugly and not very effective TBH. Nuclear Power seems inevitable it seems

Antarcticant · 12/04/2022 17:04

@Antarcticant

Love pylons. I can see pylons through my window. A view of pylons is a bonus for me. Pylons rock.
^ proper pylons, that is, not those awful new ones.

One thing I miss about foreign holidays is not seeing the interesting designs of pylons you get in other countries (and concluding smugly that the UK's pylons are still the best).

DontKeepTheFaith · 12/04/2022 17:06

I thought you meant windmills too, would happily live in a windmill😎
We opted against a house next to a small substation and wouldn’t want to live near a pylon.

We have a wind farm out at sea, seems a very sensible place to me. Made a mess of the landscape when they routed the cabling across Sussex but you wouldn’t know where they had been now.

oliviastwisted · 12/04/2022 17:07

I don’t mind either but I prefer wind turbines. I think they look really elegant and they are not a blot on the landscape at all. They are rather like Holland and windmills charming.

junglejane66 · 12/04/2022 17:08

@DontKeepTheFaith

I thought you meant windmills too, would happily live in a windmill😎 We opted against a house next to a small substation and wouldn’t want to live near a pylon.

We have a wind farm out at sea, seems a very sensible place to me. Made a mess of the landscape when they routed the cabling across Sussex but you wouldn’t know where they had been now.

I wouldnt live in a windmill, visited one once in Holland and I saw a mouse......
junglejane66 · 12/04/2022 17:11

@Alphabet1spaghetti2

I love pylons. Happy to live next door to them. Wind generators are horrible to live by - been their and got the t shirt.
I dont blame you, I hate to live near a wind generator as well,, must be v windy
Ponderingwindow · 12/04/2022 17:13

Much prettier than pylons and wires.

Concerns about noise pollution should definitely be considered when placing. I’ve only ever seen them in extremely isolated areas

palmplantcirca1980s · 12/04/2022 17:18

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ConsuelaHammock · 12/04/2022 17:22

We have a wind turbine on our farm. There is definitely a faint flicker sound from it so I can understand why people wouldn’t want to live close to one.

CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 12/04/2022 17:26

Pylons are magnificent (but I love them, great iron giants striding across the landscape).

Obviously that’s a very personal view, but the cost of digging up vast tracts of land to bury high voltage cables (and cost to dig them up to find faults) would increase energy bills exponentially.

The new design pylons aren’t my cup of tea, but any pylon is a necessary evil. They’ll grow on me I’m sure.

I’m a big advocate of green energy, so turbines are, again, a beautiful thing (I live near many). Unfortunately, there is concern for bird life due to habitat loss, collisions & migration disruption if sited on migratory or near breeding sites. However, as the greatest threat to wild life is climate change, building more wind farms would be a vital piece in our nationwide energy strategy.

The real green winner would be nuclear, specifically smaller local reactors which can be made production-line style (fully capable by our current submarine contract Rolls Royce), unlike our ‘bespoke, made to measure, every one is different’ current stock, or larger, higher output reactors replacing our existing reactors at Hinckley Point, Sizewell etc. A possible solution would be thorium salt reactors where high level waste is burnt up as part of usual reactor operation, lowering the dangerous, high level waste that persists for hundreds, if not 10s of thousands of years (plutonium 239, I’m looking at you). Or the CANDU Canadian reactors that can be refuelled online saving downtime.

I’ll be honest, the government’s announcement to start building the C reactors last week took me by surprise (I wouldn’t wee on this lot if they were on fire normally, utter bastards).

Shame it’s 15 years later than they were meant to start breaking ground…

Would I live next to a reactor? Absolutely. We need to disengage the relationship between nuclear power = nuclear bombs. Yes, some of the current reactor fleet were designed to produce plutonium for our nuclear arsenal (Windscale and Calder Hall for example produced the first fissile material, now decommissioned at what is now Sellafield). With a thorium reactor, there is no thermonuclear bomb making stuff left at the end of the fuel’s lifetime - it’s been used to generate electricity!

Nuclear power good, nuclear bombs bad.

Chernobyl happened when I was 13. Parents not allowing us out in the rain when the cloud might be coming over. Panic on the TV. Reports of swathes of land contaminated & not eating English lamb because of strontium 90 & cobalt 60 contamination.

But Chernobyl happened due to political pressure - fear if the test wasn’t performed they’d lost their status in the Party - and a flaw in reactor design (the graphite tipped control rods). The exponential rise in power in a reactor of the same type had happened at Ignelina. Politics & not disseminating this information to other RBMK operators played a sizeable roll in the catastrophe at Chernobyl.

We don’t use RBMK reactors in the UK!

I’m a bit of a nuke nerd these days, but I come from a position of having radiophobia (like, can’t leave the house, all terrifying anxiety, proper panic attack level phobia) to, through a 20 year journey of learning, studying & now advocating for nuclear energy.

It’s a zero CO2 producing technology. There is CO2 produced in uranium mining & fuel manufacture (less so with thorium, monazite sands can be harvested from beaches - environmentally sensitively of course), but so too is mining for rare earth elements to build the technology inside wind turbines or solar panels.

Blimey, that was a bit epic, even for me.

TL;DR pylons & windmills = necessary evil, nuke power good, nuke bombs bad, thorium & CANDU reactors are the dog’s danglies.

worriedatthistime · 12/04/2022 18:01

None of them look great
all about where there put but im guessing you need a lot less pylons than windmills and solar

Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 12/04/2022 18:04

@junglejane66

Wind generators look ok. But I like the brutalist v fragility aspect of pylons. They last a lot longer than wind generators too. So could be argued to be more beneficial environmentally. (?)
Windy is fine! Is the whomp whomp whomp of the blades that’s damn annoying. Perpetual headache. Don’t even benefit from cheaper electric or any of the village subsidies that are supposed to be paid - our local wind farm is around 6 years behind in payments. God alone knows if we will ever see anything from the new solar panel farm (right eyesore) that’s going in.
When a wind generator fails due to structural or has to stop due to too much or too little wind, you begin to wonder if you get the returns we were ‘sold’ them on.

Zazdar · 12/04/2022 18:07

zazdar - here you go!

Oooh, thanks!