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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Me or DH BU?

45 replies

RagingRagingAndMoreRaging · 08/04/2022 14:31

Hoping to get some independent views on this because I’m feeling that either I’m totally blind to my unreasonable behaviour, being gaslit or we are just experiencing reality through two totally different lenses.

We have a trip away coming up and my job is to organise it (we are trying to share tasks). We used to live where we are visiting so will have lots of people to catch up with. It will be busy but fun. None of our friends have spare rooms and bathrooms. At the most they have one spare bedroom.

When I was planning the trip I ruled out staying with friends because of the above and;
1 we are going for a week which is a long time to have a house guest.
2 moving between places would take up lots of time and we have a lot to pack in.
3 staying with friends but then buggering off to meet other friends would feel rude.
4 we are not in a good place as a family and are prone to get irritable with each other and argue. This at times is explosive. We are working on it but, I wouldn’t want to bring that into someone else’s home. I have to do a lot of facilitation and managing when things kick off which takes it’s toll on me emotionally and it’s harder when other people are around.

  1. I am working on one of the days and have to set off really early.
  2. If DC kicks off, if we have our own place we can retreat to it. Not disturb anyone. Things are calmer at the moment but late nights and out of routine who knows. We are just about managing to keep things smooth at home.
  3. I want to be able to cook our own food and save some money rather than eating out or feeling bad that others are having to cook for us (or trying to cook in someone else’s kitchen)
  4. I think DC will need time away from people to relax. So will I. DH isn’t like this.
  5. DC won’t sleep well - too excited if there are other children. Fine usually but at the moment he’s very up and down. And like I said we are really working on a more harmonious family atmosphere. I don’t want us to go backwards.
10. This is likely to be our main holiday. I’m taking leave for it. I want some time on my own and in my own space - I get up early so it’s mornings mainly when they sleep in. I like to get a coffee and chill - look after myself a bit. Hard to do that in someone else’s house if you are the only one up and you don’t want to wake everyone. I need time without interacting - no matter who it is.

So those are all the reasons I decided not to consider asking friends if we can stay, including that none of them really have the space.

I looked into other options and presented them to DH - 3 different kinds of accommodation for different amounts of time etc. He asked why don’t we stay with friends? I said ‘I did think about that but ruled it out’ and gave him reason 4. Didn’t want to give him the whole list because each one would then be debated. He dismissed the reason and said it would be fine (it won’t - I know you can’t predict the future but I know what has happened before and what state we are in). So I gave him another and he dismissed that too. So I said that I had given it lots of thought and I really don’t want to stay with friends. I said that I really would rather not go for that length of time if we are staying with friends.

He got really cross and said it was disrespectful of me. The bit he found disrespectful changed. It was making the decision unilaterally at times and then not entering into a discussion about it at other times. He got very angry, stormed out a few times etc.

I don’t feel I did anything wrong. I was doing the planning. We had agreed that this was my job. I Considered what would give us the best time and took the top options to him. I didn’t enter a discussion about whether we might stay with friends as that would have been disingenuous as I had ruled it out and wouldn’t want to go if that’s what we were doing.

Up until the end of the conversation I stayed calm and tried to understand which bit of my behaviour he found disrespectful. At one point he mentioned not considering the financial implications and at another not considering what he would like (he loves being around people all the time). I am the main earner. Me and DC need time away from people to unwind.

I feel I did my job, I considered our needs as a whole family, listened to his input and stated my preference and boundary clearly and calmly. What I didn’t do is pretend to consider staying with friends when I know that was a non-negotiable for me.

May be I was being stubborn or selfish in his eyes but I was trying to set us up to succeed and make some lovely memories. In my view I did nothing wrong. In his view it was disrespectful.

AIBU?

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Fairylightsongs · 08/04/2022 14:35

To be honest I don’t know why you went for contentious number four when you could just have said becayse they don’t really have the space and it’s a bit rude to bugger off to see others when using their home as a base, and it will be cheaper food wise.

You kinda went for the nuclear option.

Forestdweller11 · 08/04/2022 14:36

Yanbu.

As quite often is the case you appear to have a lot going on that isn't holiday. Continuing role of peacemaker/ pacifier doesn't sound much fun.

ReadyToMoveIt · 08/04/2022 14:38

Agree with the above… it does seem that you gave the reason that was most likely to cause conflict first, when it would have made more sense to concentrate on the practicalities (no space etc).

ReadyToMoveIt · 08/04/2022 14:39

I should say I think all your reasons are valid.

AnneLovesGilbert · 08/04/2022 14:40

Are you sure you want to go away with him? You sound rational and reasoned, he sounds like extremely hard work. I could not be living with someone who stormed off.

LoudingVoice · 08/04/2022 14:40

@Fairylightsongs

To be honest I don’t know why you went for contentious number four when you could just have said becayse they don’t really have the space and it’s a bit rude to bugger off to see others when using their home as a base, and it will be cheaper food wise.

You kinda went for the nuclear option.

This, you’re not unreasonable to not want to stay with friends but of all the reasons you’ve got this wasn’t the best one to open with!

You’ve made this more of a deans than necessary, you easily could’ve listed any/all of the other reasons, why go in with this one?

Ponoka7 · 08/04/2022 14:44

3, 5 and 6 were good enough reasons. You both need to reconnect and this holiday would have been perfect. In his thinking there doesn't seem to be any family emphasis. IME when the man starts using phrases like 'disrespectful' and storm in and out, it's really over. If you can't sit down and have a chat about were you can stay and he see your pov in terms of the whole family, then you have real issues and need to consider if you should be flogging a dead horse.

Rewritethestars1 · 08/04/2022 14:48

Who is arguing in your family if you are needing yo act as peace maker? How long has this been going on. I know its not what your aibu is about but uts relevant. I agree with others re the reason you gave but I think its a reaction to what's going in in your family right now. I'm not liking the sound of your dh from your past. I do hope its not him causing the fractions and arguing with the dc

Rewritethestars1 · 08/04/2022 14:50

From your post.

Sorry for the typos I have a cracked screen.

DowntonCrabby · 08/04/2022 14:52

I’d let him stay with the friends and enjoy the peace to be honest. He sounds very selfish and completely lacking in empathy.

LittleOwl153 · 08/04/2022 14:53

I think you probably should not go on holiday at all with this man... and certainly don't inflict his appalling attitude on friends - they won't stay friends for long.

I'm going to hazard a guess that you have a later primary age kid who dh is properly rubbing up the wrong way which is exaggerating what would usually be happening in your home. Sounding alot like my house currently...

Babysharkdoodoodood · 08/04/2022 14:57

You're the main earner and he's saying consider the financial implications?

Fuck that. Book an AirBnB take your kid(s) and leave him to it. Let him stay with friends while you have a nice time without him.

PerseverancePays · 08/04/2022 14:59

Someone who wants to be around other people all the time sounds like someone who is expecting his partner to do all the boring bits.

RagingRagingAndMoreRaging · 08/04/2022 15:08

Thank you all.

TBH I picked 4 as the least contentious! All the others he would say I’m placing too much emphasis on what others might think or my own needs. We are aware of the issues and working on them together so I figured he would understand this the most.

Yes - later primary age. DH slips into authoritarian lectures - arguments happen. Like two children arguing at times. He is working on it and it is getting better. We are very much in a process of change. He’s very committed to working on parenting and our marriage. I can be quite intolerant of him. And he has some really difficult ways of interacting.

Ok, so it seems it’s not disrespectful of me to have ruled out staying with friends without consulting him and then clearly saying it’s non negotiable (in a less inflammatory way). That’s helpful to know. Im so glad to have somewhere to check this stuff out without talking to friends IRL. Thank you all.

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RagingRagingAndMoreRaging · 08/04/2022 15:09

PerseverancePays

Someone who wants to be around other people all the time sounds like someone who is expecting his partner to do all the boring bits.

Ha ha. There is some truth to that. It’s not that he expects me to do it, just doesn’t recognise the need to do those things.

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RagingRagingAndMoreRaging · 08/04/2022 15:12

Rewritethestars1

Yes. Peacemaker is my middle name Grin I’m working my way out of that role though and holding DH to account when necessary. It’s hard work though. Change is happening- it’s just slow.

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thenewduchessoflapland · 08/04/2022 15:24

@RagingRagingAndMoreRaging

Thank you all.

TBH I picked 4 as the least contentious! All the others he would say I’m placing too much emphasis on what others might think or my own needs. We are aware of the issues and working on them together so I figured he would understand this the most.

Yes - later primary age. DH slips into authoritarian lectures - arguments happen. Like two children arguing at times. He is working on it and it is getting better. We are very much in a process of change. He’s very committed to working on parenting and our marriage. I can be quite intolerant of him. And he has some really difficult ways of interacting.

Ok, so it seems it’s not disrespectful of me to have ruled out staying with friends without consulting him and then clearly saying it’s non negotiable (in a less inflammatory way). That’s helpful to know. Im so glad to have somewhere to check this stuff out without talking to friends IRL. Thank you all.

That's a very long winded way of saying he's a controlling bully

dollyblack · 08/04/2022 15:51

All of your reasons are really valid and although you say you can't read the future, when it comes to family holidays its fairly easy to see how things will play out AND know that you will be the one dealing with the fallout.

Even if he doesn't agree with your his behaviour is very immature. He could have come up with a decent counter argument, like you could stay with the easiest friends for two nights and self catering the rest of the time, or something like that- or he could stay with a friend for a night to have a night out or anything which would contribute to an adult dialogue about it!

I HATE staying with people and it is not a holiday (also tricky family balancing to do) so I am totally on your side here.

RagingRagingAndMoreRaging · 08/04/2022 15:57

thenewduchessoflapland

He can be at times. He’s working on things and change is happening. Slowly. I’ve stood my ground and said I am happy with how I conducted myself. We agreed to disagree for now.

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RagingRagingAndMoreRaging · 08/04/2022 15:58

dollyblack

Thank you.

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Sparkletastic · 08/04/2022 16:00

Stand your ground. If he really wants to impose on people stay with friends then he can do so but you and DC will stay elsewhere.

Midlifemusings · 08/04/2022 16:05

For us, while tasks might be divided, we don't see that as meaning the other person has no say. We still have discussions about it and while I might be the one arranging the accommodations, we would still have a discussion about friends or AirBnB and talk about money, space etc.

I do think it is a little strange for each of you to make unilateral decisions about aspects of the trip without discussion. What are his jobs for the trip and are you fine with him finalizing them without any discussion with you or considering what you would want?

RagingRagingAndMoreRaging · 08/04/2022 16:22

Midlifemusings

The idea is that we each take different jobs from conception to execution. It’s a new thing we are trying. I didn’t just make a decision. I just ruled out staying with friends. I assumed (wrongly) he would agree given our current state. I did ask him about how long for, where, what kind of accommodation and budget. All of this we negotiated.

I just didn’t throw staying with friends into the mix as I didn’t see it as an option. When he suggested it I then shared some of my thinking. I absolutely don’t want to stay with friends so shared this and why. It’s non negotiable for me. It’s that he has a problem with. I just feel that this is my reality and it’s fair enough for me to veto an idea if I have good reason to. He disagrees.

Do you think that’s U? Really want to hear different views.

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Fairislefandango · 08/04/2022 22:34

The extent to which you are questioning yourself over whether what you did was reasonable (which it totally was) suggests that either his controlling behaviour has trained you to have no confidence in yourself or that you are a bit scared of him and how he will react to things you do and say.

I hope for your sake that him 'working on things' really helps, but tbh once someone has been a controlling bully (as an adult, at least), that's pretty much who they are imo.

HundredMilesAnHour · 08/04/2022 23:05

It sounds miserable. Is this really the life you want? All this drama and negotiation and is it respectful or not over a simple week away.

You sound completely incompatible and like your relationship is past the point of recovery. He sounds awful.

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