To ask regarding COVID - what does 'we just have to live with it' look like in real life?

[Fay2121]

I keep hearing the phrase.

What is the reality of 'we just have to live with it'.

You can live your job, be good at your job yet be frustrated by unreasonable demands as part of your job, you know

Can you prove that? That there are NO measures at all available to stop the spread if omicron?

Well, the evidence of many countries trying everything you can think of and not managing to stop it would suggest that, yes. Have you seen what China’s doing? And it’s still spreading in China.

Because I’m pretty sure that scientists don’t agree with you there. So why is that?!? Do you know something that they don’t know maybe?

If ‘scientists’ have cracked how to stop omicron without lockdowns (or even with!) it’s weird they haven’t managed to put in into practice anywhere, isn’t it?

Don’t be fooled. You can’t get heard immunity for covid anymore than you can for the flu or a cold.

We have multiple different types of flu and even more types of virus that cause a cold. Many of them caused a lot of death and illness and chaos when they first crossed over into humans. But they don’t now, because we have built up immunity. “Immunity” doesn’t mean “nobody ever gets ill, virus has gone away.” It can mean “you get a bit ill, but your immune system recognises the I’ll was so you don’t get very ill and you don’t transmit it as much.”

Spanish flu killed more people than covid. But it isn’t killing people like that now. Why do you think that is?

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@GoldenOmber

I have to say I’m staggered at the fact people think there is nothing that can be done to stop omicron.

Because lots of countries have tried lots and lots of different things, including air filtration, including masks, and it hasn’t stopped omicron. Even Japan is struggling with hospital capacity in this wave.

I agree it would be lovely if there was something simple and easy we could all do that would make a real difference to infections and not cost us much, but that doesn’t mean there is one.

And some countries have done so so much better than the U.K. and all other EU countries Wo resorting to the NZ techniques of closing down borders. Japan and South Korea are two very example amongst others.

Why would anyone reject what others have done that worked? I’m not saying 100% worked but worked much much better than what the uk did.

A country that has repeatedly big numbers if workers off sick isn’t going to cope well (we’ve had 3 different variants in less than 1 year and many people already have had covid multiple times, including once at Christmas and once now).
A country that sees its population getting sicker because of the number of people unable to work (because long covid, strokes etc etc) ain’t going to do well, not economically, not socially.

I don’t think we have any other choice but to find ways to mitigate the propagation of covid.

And some countries have done so so much better than the U.K. and all other EU countries Wo resorting to the NZ techniques of closing down borders. Japan and South Korea are two very example amongst others.

Ah yes, South Korea. How’s that going?

Japan and South Korea are two very example amongst others.

It's not particularly helpful (for this discussion) to conflate the different phases of the pandemic in one. SK has struggled hugely with Omicron, despite all its sensible mitigations

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/17/south-korea-coronavirus-record/

@Invasionofthegutsnatchers

Teachers with no access to LFTs unless they pay for them out of their own pockets, coming to work with a temperature and flu symptoms, battling through 10-12 hours of a highly stressful day because apparently it doesn't spread in schools, only hospitals and prisons

Teachers 🙄

@woody87 what's your beef?

This is a huge issue, like it or not.

Teachers were also working from the comfort of their homes while many workers were having to still work in environments where they could have easily caught the virus (and before vaccines and when the variant still made many people very poorly)

Hospital staff, care workers, nhs community workers, retail workers and numerous others are getting on with it and had to when thib s were far worse

Such moaning anyone would think they would want to go back to home schooling

Schools never fully closed so funnily enough not all teachers were sitting at home.

If it us just like flu why is DS currently at home with remote provision for the second time this academic year as so many staff off ill (and I mean ill not isolating). Don’t ever remember this with flu. In fact I can’t remember the last time I knew someone with flu.

@HRTQueen lol at teachers working from the comfort of our homes. I was in school every day, unvaccinated in March 2020 teaching children of key workers and vulnerable children plus setting home learning, making welfare calls and delivering food parcels. Children of nurses on icu covid wards were in my classroom from day dot.

Any other teacher bashing you'd like to start?

Bit there have been flu pandemics that caused widespread illness like this, and they didn’t keep on causing that much illness year after year forever. So that should be a hopeful sign for the likely future of ‘living with’ covid.

All this talk of teachers not getting on with it when in fact we are getting on with it to the point of breakdown, have been from the start and working in ever increasingly challenging conditions whilst people think we've been lounging about is just not right. Where would your children be without teachers? Do you want to teach them yourself?

Seriously why do so many threads get overrun with teachers moaning? Yes, teachers have it hard. Yes, teachers should get paid more. Yes, teachers work long hours. But no, teachers do not have it the worst, not by far. Everyone’s struggling, everyone’s overworked and underpaid. Many front line NHS staff have been exposed to covid more. Many other occupations are more over worked right now. Many others work in far worse conditions for a lot less pay.

@Invasionofthegutsnatchers

All this talk of teachers not getting on with it when in fact we are getting on with it to the point of breakdown, have been from the start and working in ever increasingly challenging conditions whilst people think we've been lounging about is just not right. Where would your children be without teachers? Do you want to teach them yourself?

Well a pp just said their school only had one staff member in, everyone else was off sick. You have said that you and most other teachers go in and struggle on when sick, come what may. Can’t you see the contradiction here?

You of how many teachers

I don’t hear front line staff moaning as much or retail staff or care workers

Bingo

Have you ever wondered why teachers flag up issues?

Because actually there might BE issues?

Think teachers are just highlighting the issues that schools have at the moment and that it is currently not like having a cold. And as soon as they do highlight the issues you get the idiots posting that teachers were sitting comfortably at home when the schools were closed forgetting that the schools were open for a number of children so teachers had to be in school

[quote Invasionofthegutsnatchers]@HRTQueen lol at teachers working from the comfort of our homes. I was in school every day, unvaccinated in March 2020 teaching children of key workers and vulnerable children plus setting home learning, making welfare calls and delivering food parcels. Children of nurses on icu covid wards were in my classroom from day dot.

Any other teacher bashing you'd like to start?[/quote]
There was an ICU nurse in my bed in March 2020 as DP had been redeployed. What's your point? Boohoo woe is you. Basically what you've said is you were in work doing your job. Honestly, grow up. Also for balance, many teachers were WFH, at least part-time. Who on this thread has actually said anything about teachers not getting on with it? You seem to be projecting.

I also think we have to consider the possibility that some staff are At It and using covid as an excuse to be off and exaggerating their symptoms (those on full sick pay I mean). There are people in my work in their mid-20s who were off for weeks claiming to be hit hard. I have to admit I'm sceptical. It's all a bit convenient. I'm not denying some people are very ill with it, but young, healthy vaccinated people?

Because many teachers were working from home

I know because my ds went into school as did all my colleagues children one teacher supervising a group of pupils other teachers at home

Meanwhile loads of other people getting on with their work that had been turned upside down as all our lives were

But again who is moaning about how hard they are having it and still are dealing with it

@Overthebow negative lft = stay at home forv5 days as per HT policy

Last week 16 teachers and support staff had positive lfts so had to stay at home

I had negative lft but felt like death so came in or the year group would have closed to home learning

There is no contradiction. Illness was always rude in overcrowded schools anyway. Covid spreading has caused a huge strain on schools.

Our children are way behind and need their teachers in school. Teachers are working harder than ever. You might not see that but it's true. You might not value what we do but without it society would crumble.

Show me another job where 30.plus unvaccinated people are in a small space for hours and hours. It will spread. It is spreading. Just appreciate that we are here and doing our best. There's a huge retention crisis at the moment

@HRTQueen fine, that happened in your school. In mine we were all in.

You'll be moaning if your child has no teacher

Well a pp just said their school only had one staff member in, everyone else was off sick. You have said that you and most other teachers go in and struggle on when sick, come what may. Can’t you see the contradiction here?

When staff are off yet still working between naps and vomiting on zoom then there is not much of a contradiction is there? Both were working.

There is a difference between moaning and pointing out a vary stressful and challenging situation which is not sustainable and has a negative impact on a children. They are the losers here. I'll be fine, I turn up every day at 7am with a smile on my face and graft hard with a sense of humour thanks to my amazing colleagues. But a lot of children are losing out because of the government's atrocious handling of the pandemic
And that's not OK. I can deal with having a bad day and stropping about it on here but when I see the huge gaps in children's learning and optional wellbeing...that is worth moaning about.

I also think we have to consider the possibility that some staff are At It and using covid as an excuse to be off

Given it is more work being off as you have to adapt plans and send them in and then do zooms from home, and then pick up the bits that have been missed when you get back, I doubt it very much. It is easier to just go in when you are ill.