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To think living to over 100 will become the norm

118 replies

Wanttogohome78 · 04/04/2022 13:37

Partner doesn’t think so I don

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Fizbosshoes · 04/04/2022 20:48

I think it depends on health and quality of life. Living to 100 but not knowing your name or what day of the week it is for the last 10 years of your life doesn't sound like something to aspire tomorrow, in my honest opinion.

My DM died in her early 60s which I felt was way too young, (my DH is now only a few years younger than she was when she died and I hope he'll be around for a lot longer) She was worried about being old, being dependent on other people, losing her dignity etc, and in some ways I'm glad she didn't have to experience any of that....but I'd have loved her to see her GC grow up.
My FIL is 86 lives independently, has lots of friends, plays in a band, is considering buying an electric bike etc.

alwayswrighty · 04/04/2022 20:51

We need dignitas. I'd book it in for my 85th birthday. That'll do.

Libertynan · 04/04/2022 20:52

I hope I do.

I’m on my mid fifties now and don’t want to have to pop off in the next 30 years. I feel like I’ve got another 50 in me yet Grin

SquirrelG · 04/04/2022 20:56

I live in a rural town in NZ, and someone turning 100 is no longer a novelty. Life expectancy has not fallen here, so yes, I imagine more people will live to 100 and beyond. Which is great if you are in good health, otherwise not so good (although having said that, many of those who make 100 do seem in quite good health).

TeaPacks · 05/04/2022 01:59

@patternsg

"If you need proof, the Office for National Statistics has produced it, in its new report on socioeconomic inequalities in avoidable mortality. Their findings are bleak, and the gap between rich and poor has widened considerably since they first started collecting data in 2001."

"Four out of 10 male deaths in the most deprived areas are premature. The contributing factors – poor housing, poverty, unemployment and lack of education "

"In some parts of the country life expectancy is at levels last seen when the throne was occupied by Queen Victoria."

From the Independent

"In some parts of the country life expectancy is at levels last seen when the throne was occupied by Queen Victoria."

That can't possibly be true. Life expectancy (at birth) is greatly affected by infant and child mortality. No way in the world, even in the most deprived parts of the country, does infant and child mortality come anywhere clsoe to that of Victorian times.

MangyInseam · 05/04/2022 02:18

I don't know. I think with all the obesity and lack of exercise in the young, many will die relatively early.

But it may be that among those who are wealthier and can and do take advantage of healthier lifestyles, you may see more of those people hit the 100 mark due to technological innovations. Though I don't think it will be a big effect, at a certain point the body just begins to break down.

Then there is also the question, do we really want to extend that part of our lives much? Many people who are very elderly spend the last few years in quite poor health anyway, with most of their friends gone, their spouse, maybe even their kids.

Lightning020 · 05/04/2022 05:20

People keep referring to processed foods as the norm however it is possible to avoid these by consuming inexpensive yet healthy vegetarian foods to give us better health and also prolong quality of life.

Rosehugger · 05/04/2022 05:24

My generation, X, and millenials, are expected to live longer but not necessarily in good health.

Lightning020 · 05/04/2022 05:49

I hope I make 90 but no more. Presumably 80 plus I will start hanging on only by a thread. I am 58 now but live and eat healthily however I have experienced a lot of stress since my adulthood which surely won't help matters.

carefullycourageous · 05/04/2022 05:54

The thing that bothers me is quality of life and the gap between rich and poor.

In the UK life expectancy is going backwards, partly due to Tory government policies since 2020, and now COVID. Increased poverty going forwards will make things worse.

So I think 100+ is less likely than it would have been if we'd had a different government and no COVID.

Usingit · 05/04/2022 06:12

A lot of people will be relying on state pension if they do, only final salary pensions keep on paying out and not many will have them.

Lightning020 · 05/04/2022 06:24

I think it will also become much more commonplace to keep working beyond pension age. I have noticed many are already doing this.

Rosehugger · 05/04/2022 06:26

@carefullycourageous

The thing that bothers me is quality of life and the gap between rich and poor.

In the UK life expectancy is going backwards, partly due to Tory government policies since 2020, and now COVID. Increased poverty going forwards will make things worse.

So I think 100+ is less likely than it would have been if we'd had a different government and no COVID.

Since 2010, not since 2020. Austerity came first i.e. Tories being ideologically wedded to making public services worse so they can let the private sector take over, then Brexit and all the vast sums they wasted on that, then Covid, and all the vast sums they wasted on that.
AtlasPine · 05/04/2022 06:29

My mother is in her mid nineties with dementia. Pretty miserable and very dependent on carers, but otherwise fairly healthy - good heart, healthy appetite but not overweight, mobile enough to do some amount of self-care with a lot of support. Unable to go out alone and increasing preferring to stay in the confines of her small care-provision flat for the moment. May need to spend the last few years of her life later in a full dementia nursing home being fed, wearing incontinence pads and remembering no one. She may well live to 100 but absolutely doesn’t want to do so. My poor mum. I had to fight to ensure she was not on the list for resuscitation should she stop breathing with carers about - something she would have hated as ‘well’ mum. She would have hated the level of care she now needs. Can you imagine bashing her chest, breaking her ribs to make her breathe on machines in ITU with Alzheimer’s at 95?

Life should be about quality. Sadly, other relatives who swore they would quietly end their life with a diagnoses like Alzheimer’s when the loss of memory and independence became too much couldn’t carry out their own wishes - one even a doctor herself - because when you get to that stage you can’t access what you need or manage the process. The stage you are ready generally coincides with the stage you forget what you wanted and are unable anyway to sort it out. Euthanasia is riddled with flaws and could so easily be used exploitatively - but I do think it should be developed as an option for some who can outline their wishes before extreme old age sets in. Or even request withdrawal of care other than liquids and being made comfortable as a more normalised thing. No antibiotics to allow pneumonia to become the ‘Old man’s friend’ again. Staff are too frightened of being sued to do this unless it is very explicitly laid out - understandably.

Agreed levels of euthanasia- and by agreed, I mean agreed legally before a person becomes ill - feels like it has to arrive at some point. We keep getting better and better at treating conditions which caused the demise of our ancestors like strokes and cancers, heart attacks and dementia, flu and pneumonia - but in the case of very elderly people - at what cost? The poor will increasingly not access care so will die younger knowing it’s because of poverty and the rich/ those in the middle will become older and older, filling the coffers of big care companies, pharmaceutical companies and private hospitals.

If I had one selfish wish, it would be to have a good death after an independent and happy old age, however short that old age was.

Saltyquiche · 05/04/2022 06:33

I think it’s unlikely what with the uk being so unfit and eating so much crappie fast and processed food, plus sugar.

Iwantmyoldnameback · 05/04/2022 07:35

All my four grandparents reached a greater age than my parents did. If that trend continues I haven't got long left.

Lightning020 · 05/04/2022 07:40

@Iwantmyoldnameback

All my four grandparents reached a greater age than my parents did. If that trend continues I haven't got long left.
Do you think your parents looked after their health well? Were they just unlucky?
Worldgonecrazy · 05/04/2022 07:44

Thinking about a lot of the health and fitness information available, there is a much bigger focus on how to stay healthy into old age, functional fitness, insulin resistivity, cutting the odds on dementia, etc. So hopefully those of us who do want to live long and healthy lives will get there!

EekThreek · 05/04/2022 07:47

I'm hoping that planned euthanasia will be an option for me by then. I'm not 40 yet, but seeing my Nan with Alzheimer's, and hearing about friends experiences with elderly relatives in hospital, I absolutely don't want that for myself or my family. It's cruel to make people exist through that (can't say they're living through it, that's for sure) and there have got to be more humane ways for people to experience the end of their life.

AllOfUsAreDead · 05/04/2022 07:52

Nope life expectancy is declining I believe.

The people who are 100 now were quite healthy people, they aren't obese, they didn't sit around all day etc.

Many people nowadays are obese, 63% of the uk population in fact. So 63% of adults will be lucky if they make it to 70 really. Forget 100, that's not happening. 60/70 is probably going to be average, which is definitely going to help our pension problem because no one will live long enough to use it. Well the other 37% might I guess, but it does solve the problem. No wonder the government aren't doing anything to fix it.

overitall1 · 05/04/2022 07:58

I am in my 60s and the way the world is going I seriously don't want to live for another 40 odd years. Mind you I might change my mind when (if) I get to 99 Grin

knittingaddict · 05/04/2022 08:02

I hope not. More and more people will be living with dementia and other illnesses and I would rather live a good life and go before any major cognitive decline.

My mum has dementia. Dad had a stroke just before Christmas and it's caused dementia type symptoms. We've been looking at care homes and visited one which specialised in end of life care. I'm sure they are very caring, but the lounge was the most depressing awful place I have ever been in. 30 plus people slumped in their chairs, sleeping at 10am or staring into space and waiting to die.

Please don't think I'm being insensitive. I have a high chance of being one of those patients one day. I'd rather die first.

BattledoreAndShuttlecock · 05/04/2022 08:28

Not soon, we'd need some important health breakthroughs to take life expectancy all the way up from 80ish to 100. I think we'd need to crack obesity too.

A lot of recent declines in life expectancy in the UK and USA are about drug overdoses though, because they take decades off a minority of people which makes a big impact on the data but doesn't affect the health of the majority at all. It's partly to do with the ageing of the Trainspotter generation, but a lot to do with opioids, especially in the US.

Alcohol-related liver disease is another factor which takes decades off a small minority of the population. Alcohol consumption for the country is going down but it's a big problem for that minority.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 05/04/2022 08:36

IMO very few who reach that age will still be reasonably mobile and still have their marbles intact. Usually one or the other will go, if not both. I did know just one such, though, who died at 101.

My DM went on to 97, but she’d had dementia for ages and was in a most pitiful state for her final years. Her robust physical health kept her going, but TBH it would have been a blessing if something had carried her off rather sooner.

Riapia · 05/04/2022 08:49

I have no desire to reach 100 years old.
Might change my mind if I get to 99. 😁😁