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Which child can you choose?

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Absolutelyfuckedup · 03/04/2022 22:35

Dd 17 suffering frequent mental health crisis. On medication that isn't working. Getting more and more angry. Police have been involved twice recently. Life is absolutely shit trying to deal with this.
Ds 12. Suffering more and more. Tonight dd has punched and kicked him for being a dickhead. Her words. He was been.cjeeky to me slightly then huffed to his toom, typical almost teenage behaviour which would be dealt with appropriately by me and his dad.
Dd is increasingly out of control and we are at our wits end. Dh can barely sleep. He's ill because of it. I'm up and down and carry on putting a brave face on. Ds has no choice but to live through this upheaval. Dd is clearly unwell. On waiting list for private therapy as no hope on nhs.
I am drained mentally. What the hell do you do. Youngest needs protecting before he is seriously damaged but dd doesn't deserve to be removed from home either. Help!

OP posts:
MichelleScarn · 04/04/2022 15:12

@1forAll74 what do you mean 'all these issues with both children' are you meaning that it must be the ds' fault somehow'?

JustOneMoreNameChange · 04/04/2022 15:41

I know someone already mentioned this, but it may get lost in the answers.

Take your 17yo DD to A&E for an urgent psych consult. One of the questions they will ask is whether you, your family and she can be kept safe at home. The answer is no.

At this point, they can discuss intervention like inpatient treatment and detaining her under the mental health act. It's a horrible thing to go through with a child, but it will get help faster than just waiting years for CAHMS.

Absolutelyfuckedup · 04/04/2022 16:46

Currently waiting for gp to call about meds review and to update them.
I've had strong words with dd now she is calm. I've told her if she ever hits her brother again she will have to leave. Not sure that is the truth as I don't think I could bring myself to but hoping it will make her think twice next time.
Just to clarify she hasnt severely hurt him or left any mark it was a punch to the arm and she kicked him. Not that I'm suggesting that's ok.
I've also spoken to ds and said he must stay in his room if she has angry outbursts like that and the worst thing he can do is shout and get involved.
I do think adhd/asd could be a possibility. Even though she's had a shit load of camhs involvement previously and they've never said so.
She does work full time and it is only anxiety that affects her job. No anger. She masks and then releases it all to me at home.
How can I get her assessed any time soon? Nhs has ridiculous waiting lists I assume and even private seems to be months.plus very expensive. I'm really not sure how the proicess works so any advice re getting assessed would be great.

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fallfallfall · 04/04/2022 16:47

my concept though ill received was safety of the 12 year old first and foremost. putting that child somewhere safe, even if only for a few nights makes sense to me. it shows you value him.
family should be a safe and loving avenue for help when times gets tough and teaching the younger one that he's not alone that others love him and care for him is a good thing as well.
overall it also shows that you as a parent are willing to look at all options to resolve this mess.
as a 12 year old i would have probably long requested living elsewhere.
living in that household is certainly not doing that boy any good and he may very well be content to move schools and friends temporarily to get away from the sister and dynamics.

TangledNemo · 04/04/2022 16:56

I used to be on the receiving end of violence from my brother. I still don’t know if violence between siblings is normal, but I have no relationship with my brother 15 years later and I still resent my parents (especially my mum who was home more) for doing nothing about it. I got a lock for my bedroom door, but he broke the door trying to get into my room.

Some action is needed to protect your son OP. Speak to him so he knows you have his back. Maybe he will want to stay at a friends for a while. Let him suggest that though, you don’t want him to feel unwanted and pushed out of his own home. Also do whatever you can to get help for your daughter and make sure she knows her behaviour isn’t acceptable. She needs to know she can get in a lot of trouble for what she is doing, and let the police get involved more if it comes to that.

TangledNemo · 04/04/2022 16:59

Cross post but I also spent a lot of time in my room to avoid my brother. That isn’t fair OP, and very damaging to isolate the victim. Daughter should be sent to her room without her phone and laptop.

MichelleScarn · 04/04/2022 17:09

@TangledNemo

Cross post but I also spent a lot of time in my room to avoid my brother. That isn’t fair OP, and very damaging to isolate the victim. Daughter should be sent to her room without her phone and laptop.
Agree, that sounds dreadful and its placing the onus on the victim I've also spoken to ds and said he must stay in his room if she has angry outbursts like that and the worst thing he can do is shout and get involved. So dd is OK to go about the house and be angry and violent, but he needs to stay hidden away and not bring attention to himself?
PaddlingLikeADuck · 04/04/2022 17:15

My mom grew up in a household where she was the oldest and her younger sister (5 years younger) had a lot of mental health issues and anxiety which caused a huge strain on the family.

To cut a king story short, all the focus was the on my mum’s sibling and my mum was just pushed to the side of it all. It was like she didn’t matter and she certainly didn’t feel like she mattered to her parents.

My mum is in her 60s now, has always had issues with attachment and relationship forming and she still has very strange relationships with her parents…..it’s almost like she reverts to being a hold near them and wanting them to view her as the ‘golden child’ because she never felt like that as a child.

There is still a very tense under current between her and her sibling too…it’s like a sense of resentment that my mum has, that her sibling ruined her childhood and a normal relationship with her parents.

I guess my point is that don’t underestimate the long term affect this may have on your son if he’s not made to feel as important as your DD.

You ask what child you would choose, and I would choose the 12 year old.

Your daughter is almost an adult and is able to hold down a job and manage herself perfectly well whilst there, so yes legally she may still be a ‘child’ she is not a child in the same way your 12 year old is.

SparklingLime · 04/04/2022 17:25

Google local private psychiatrists and ask if they assess for ADHD. You don’t necessarily have to wait for one of the big companies such as psychiatryUK who have the long waiting lists.

SparklingLime · 04/04/2022 17:26

Obviously ideally get a recommendation for a local psychiatrist. Ask you GP, they may be willing to suggest a name.

SparklingLime · 04/04/2022 17:36

Another poster described finding an ADHD assessment on this thread. Screenshot attached.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a4354656-To-feel-as-though-ADHD-Sensitivity-Rejection-Dysphoria-may-push-me-over-the-edge?msgid=111018160#111018160

Which child can you choose?
TrashyPanda · 05/04/2022 08:42

@TangledNemo

Cross post but I also spent a lot of time in my room to avoid my brother. That isn’t fair OP, and very damaging to isolate the victim. Daughter should be sent to her room without her phone and laptop.
Sorry, but I totally agree.

You are focusing on your son removing himself from the aggressor. Why should he have to hole up in his room? What message is it sending to him- that his sister can tantrum all over the house but he is restricted to his room? This isn’t dealing with the aggressor, which is what needs to happen.

Feeling safe in your home is a very basic right.
Please start to advocate for your son.

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