To wonder who all these people are, speeding?

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Or more to the point, how they think they can get away with it, or clearly do all the time?

I do a lot of motorway driving and I see so many cars doing over 80!

See also dual carriageways near me. People do 80+!

I'll be in a lane sometimes doing 70 and I have cars behind flashing at me to speed up

My question is do people not get done very much for speeding? I wouldn't really think to speed anyway but surely the strong possibility of a fine or more is a deterrent? Do people just not care?

@DGRossetti

Interesting comments about factors which are altering the data - can’t see the words excess speed in there, can you?

TL;DR is that convictions for speeding are a predictor and proxy for careless, reckless and dangerous driving as well as being clear indicators of driving without due care and attention.

I gleaned that from a (what felt like) 6 hours talk from actuaries when I worked on a telematics project. It was in answer to "is there any point in these things ?"

I’ve never had a speeding conviction. 🤷🏻‍♀️

And because I’m careful about the circumstances in which I may go above 70 on a motorway it would be hard to argue reckless or dangerous driving. 🤷🏻‍♀️

(I used to work in insurance and know several actuaries.)

Seems like a win to me

1700 dead and 25000 injured isn’t a win and neither is £33b spent on those crashes. Would it be a win if one of those crashes left your dh, D.C. or dm dead or in hospital? Many families campaign for driving/road changes after the death of a loved family member, , they rarely campaign beforehand

Going in the right direction of less deaths, but it’s not winning & none of the families will see it as winning until we hit zero

Love the idea that the only people flashing others on the motorway are sensible safe drivers who have fully risk assessed the situation.
My experience is its a road rage behaviour by people who just want you out of their way, despite the fact there's 7 cars ahead of you also overtaking a packed middle lane!

Yes! Same as my experience
Then if you do move they just speed up to the next car and do the same

@Alexandra2001

If you're not prepared to drive over 70 @ivykaty44 then why are you in any other lane than the inside lane? You're barely going to be going any faster than most lorries

WTF ??? Can't believe someone who boasts of their driving prowess can write this!

Lorries might well do 60 ish on the flat but show them even a modest hill and they are down to 40 very quickly.

Aside, i'd really like to know where people find all these empty M/Ways to be able to do 80 or 90 mph? or are they constantly accelerating/braking lol!

@Alexandra2001 Bit awkward that what you've written about lorries isn't accurate either. 🙈

Love the idea that the only people flashing others on the motorway are sensible safe drivers who have fully risk assessed the situation.

It's a great way of spotting a tosser at 100 yards. Been in my cheat guide to avoid bellends for years. (See also: I'm not a racist, but ... )

@Alexandra2001

If you're not prepared to drive over 70 @ivykaty44 then why are you in any other lane than the inside lane? You're barely going to be going any faster than most lorries

WTF ??? Can't believe someone who boasts of their driving prowess can write this!

Lorries might well do 60 ish on the flat but show them even a modest hill and they are down to 40 very quickly.

Aside, i'd really like to know where people find all these empty M/Ways to be able to do 80 or 90 mph? or are they constantly accelerating/braking lol!

I could (don't, but could!) do 90mph my entire journey to work without braking - I set off at 6.30am and it's a pretty quiet motorway anyway (M61). I've been on the M6 toll about once a month for the last 5 years and that's never been busy enough that you couldn't do 90 on it without needing to brake if you wanted to.

If I'm en route to work and it's as quiet as normal (and good weather) I generally sit at 77ish on my speedo which shows at 70 on my GPS (always have maps open out of habit, so I keep an eye on both), but I see people doing what must be comfortably 95 every journey.

By comparison, if I'm driving south for work, I can barely break 65 the entire journey cos the motorway is much busier and I can't be fussed weaving in and out of traffic to overtake, so I just chill in the left lane and overtake the odd lorry.

@EdgyNeonAnt I think you'll find they rapidly lose speed/momentum. its simple physics (i'm not talking about a n empty lorry)

Point being that its simply not possible to stick to 70mph and stay in the inside lane,, which is something a PP doesn't seem to realise there are slower vehicles using our roads.

I admit I was doing 75/80 down the M4 yesterday except where there were road works and other speed limits installed.

I could easily average 85 - 90 all the way to work and not need to brake. Aside from lorries in the left lane, the middle and right lanes are usually pretty clear and the majority of other traffic is going faster than I am so is way ahead.

[quote Alexandra2001]@EdgyNeonAnt I think you'll find they rapidly lose speed/momentum. its simple physics (i'm not talking about a n empty lorry)

Point being that its simply not possible to stick to 70mph and stay in the inside lane,, which is something a PP doesn't seem to realise there are slower vehicles using our roads.[/quote]
Not all that rapidly, they don't go from 60 to 40 "very quickly". Some keep speed up better than others, but to think they rapidly decline in speed on a "modest hill" is odd.
I've never driven either a rigid or an artic, even heavily-laden, that has so quickly lost speed due to an incline, the biggest problem is car drivers cutting in and having to hit the brakes which causes a huge loss of momentum.

The speed limit for large lorries on motorways is 60mph.

www.theukrules.co.uk/rules/driving/highway-code/national-speed-limits.html#:~:text=HIGHWAY%20CODE%20SPEED%20LIMITS%3A%20National%20speed%20limits%20set,cars%20and%20motorcycles%20when%20traveling%20on%20single%20carriageways.

You can really tell the people who live outside of the SE on this thread.

I seem to average 63mph on the motorway. Everyone drives aroundt 63mph. You really can’t go at 70mph there isn’t any room.

I do think there is a real lack of insight that saying you do 80/90mph and everyone should get out of your way and off the road if they aren't prepared to do more than 70mph

Would love to see some of the people who say they regularly break the speed limit try and replicate their normal driving practices driving on the M25, somewhere just after the Dartford crossing going towards the M11 on a weekday morning.

1stly the motorway is full so if you are doing 63 then you are doing well

2ndly There is the variable speed limits that can take you down to 30mph.

3rdly Even if you could go faster and ignored the speed limits with speed cameras on every other gantry you wouldn’t be driving for very long as you would rack up so many points you would be banned.

The way people are saying that it is ok to speed because they know where the speed cameras are makes out there is only one or 2 on their journey and not 1 or 2 every .25 miles

It doesn’t matter how great a driver you think you are. It is everyone else on the road that you have to be careful of

I have known so many people who have been killed in RTAs. One of them was a driving instructor who taught driving and manoeuvring in fast changing situations.
He prided himself on his skills.

It was someone else who made the mistake

So many senseless deaths and life changing injuries all because you want to get somewhere a few minutes quicker.

Why is everyone speeding going to work? Do they pay you in gold bars if you get to work 5 minutes earlier.
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I'm also calling bullshit on being flashed for going 70 on the inside lane, as its usually full of lorries or caravans going even slower.

Why would anyone flash you in the left hand lane, you don't have another lane to pull into out of their way but they can pull out and move around you. I'm calling bullshit too. Flashing usually only happens to lane hoggers who are holding up traffic.

Had op said they were in the inside lane?
It says “in a lane”

I've always gone with the traffic. The key to speeding is dont stand out from the other vehicles
. An indicated 80mph is probably closer to a true 70mph.

@Kennykenkencat

You can really tell the people who live outside of the SE on this thread.

I seem to average 63mph on the motorway. Everyone drives aroundt 63mph. You really can’t go at 70mph there isn’t any room.

I do think there is a real lack of insight that saying you do 80/90mph and everyone should get out of your way and off the road if they aren't prepared to do more than 70mph

Would love to see some of the people who say they regularly break the speed limit try and replicate their normal driving practices driving on the M25, somewhere just after the Dartford crossing going towards the M11 on a weekday morning.

1stly the motorway is full so if you are doing 63 then you are doing well

2ndly There is the variable speed limits that can take you down to 30mph.

3rdly Even if you could go faster and ignored the speed limits with speed cameras on every other gantry you wouldn’t be driving for very long as you would rack up so many points you would be banned.

The way people are saying that it is ok to speed because they know where the speed cameras are makes out there is only one or 2 on their journey and not 1 or 2 every .25 miles

It doesn’t matter how great a driver you think you are. It is everyone else on the road that you have to be careful of

I have known so many people who have been killed in RTAs. One of them was a driving instructor who taught driving and manoeuvring in fast changing situations.
He prided himself on his skills.

It was someone else who made the mistake

So many senseless deaths and life changing injuries all because you want to get somewhere a few minutes quicker.

Why is everyone speeding going to work? Do they pay you in gold bars if you get to work 5 minutes earlier.
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I live in the SE . And do 80+ every time I'm on the motorway/dual carriage way.

In fact the a27 is the place for my PB highest speed

I've often wondered the same.

My son is a swimmer and we travel a lot for meets nationally and some roads just seem to attract people who think those doing 70mph on a dual carriageway overtaking the other Lane moving at 55/60mph need to be tailgated and flashed and intimidated.

It's what causes accidents IMO. Those travelling correctly as per the Highway Code feeling intimidated into moving into a slower moving lane of traffic which causes the snaking and braking.

But also the polar opposite to this is those who won't or don't want to travel above 50mph who use the motorway. I often think it's fine not to want to go over 60mph. But use roads where the general traffic isn't doing that either!

Anyone recognise themselves ?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-devon-61014750

@DGRossetti

rate-driver.co.uk/VO15UYY you can input your own reg into this site, whilst at work one day we were talking about this site when may manager appeared - he put in his reg plate and .....there were a couple of messages stating what a twat driver they thought he was..

Just checked all my cars. No comments at all. (I’ve had one of them for 16 years and another for 11 so there’s been time…….)

@thecatsthecats

I regularly drive at 80, but I'm meticulous about driving with significant gaps, and to the conditions and visibility.

I've even been on a speed awareness course, due to getting caught out by frequently changing variable signs. I was nowhere near another driver - in fact, I was the only person on the road.

Whereas the absolute idiots I saw driving close together without lights on in thick fog on the way to the course were not penalised in any way.

I was a LOT less likely to harm anyone by driving at 59 in a 50 (that I believed to be a 60), than by some clown tailgating in about fifty yards visibility.

You didnt know what the speed limit was? Surely you were driving without due care and attention / careless driving in that case?

You didn't know what the speed limit was? Surely you were driving without due care and attention / careless driving in that case?

A key part of my SAC was removing pathetic excuses about "not knowing" the speed limit. It was where I learned what the origin of the NSL sign was.

I have a friend from Germany who gets quite irate on the topic of British motorways and driving in general she says many of the motorways in Germany didn’t have a speed limit, and hogging the overtaking lane like we do here is a massive no no. She said 70 on a motorway is ridiculously slow and she doesn’t get how on a motorway you legally shouldn’t go faster than that and yet on a tight country lane, where cyclists share the road, deers run across and hikers occasionally walk along it’s ok to go 60mph. I can see her frustration tbh.