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My friend is a bitch - or am I...???

30 replies

Louloudaisy2020 · 28/03/2022 15:31

So, help a girl out and I apologise in advance – this is a bit of a long one!

I’ve been best mates (not ex best mates) with this girl for 12 years. She’s always been particularly difficult – clingy, needy, a bit controlling, drama filled. BUT anyway, we’ve always had a lot in common and got on well.

Fast-forward to the last 2 years, she has been EXTRA difficult. She has fallen out with 3 girls in that time, like dramatically. I’ve got a new partner who is wonderful, but she has a negative opinion on everything about him – we moved in too soon, he’s too affectionate (he’s not), he gave me a kiss on my birthday night out with friends and held my hand down the street; apparently this made everyone in the group feel extremely uncomfortable (it was a peck not a snog), we are buying a house too soon (been together al most 2 years and won’t be buying for another year at least, currently renting), he doesn’t make enough effort with her (he’s terrified of her) etc etc.

She is having and has been for some time major issues with her partner – I’ll be honest he has zero respect for her, she does everything for him and has no thanks or recognition. They do not live an equal partnership, far from it, and I can tell this is really bothering her (I would never ever say this to her, it’s not my business). She’s extremely unhappy in her life, in so many ways and I just want her to be happy but I cannot condone the jealousy. If someone earns more money than her, gets marrier before her, buys a more expensive house, has a baby before her – she goes ballistic!! Her life is very showy and she’s very prominent on social media and portraying the perfect semi-expensive life.

She also has a major issue with me backing out of going OUT a lot, I am saving for a house. I’m not a social recluse and saying no to everything, just taking it easy and up for more nights in just us girls – fine no?? She also made a point of saying she has loads of new clothes she’s bought and wants to wear so I must go out more – umm noo…

Everything positive in my life, she drags down. If I’m going on holiday, that’s bad and it’s time I’m not spending with her or money on her. If my partner does something nice for me, she comes back with something nasty about him or makes a nasty joke. She is against everything I say, if I say one thing she says the other. Apparently her major issue with me is that I don’t prioritise her above everything else in my life – am I wrong for thinking this is a totally unacceptable comment to make?

Further to add to this, we are in a friendship group with 2 other girls and are in a group chat. Quite often she shows me up by being against everything I say, has a go at everything I do, picks at every comment I make and very purposefully tries to embarrass me. Anything funny I share, she says it’s not funny. Either that, or she will totally ignore me and reply to everyone else. It’s been very obvious recently that she has been trying to push me out of the group. We are all in our 30’s by the way – I am too old for this pettiness and childish drama! Overall, it’s been an extremely difficult friendship for many many years and I am sick of walking on eggshells. Every time I pull her up (or anyone does) on her behaviour, she pulls the sympathy card of struggling with grief for a family member I barely knew existed until they died. I’m not saying she didn’t care about them, but the grief card just cannot be pulled as an excuse every time she upsets someone. She was like this before the passing.

FAST-FORWARD again to recently. I have called quits on our friendship after I found out she had been bad mouthing me to all our friends and of course, her behaviour of pushing me out and trying to show me up. She has now latched on to our other friends (now her best friends, which I really really don’t mind) but is discussing details and sharing screenshots of our conversations to our friends – totally betraying me. I haven’t said a word to our friends about our argument and I would NEVER badmouth her to mutual friends. It’s evident she is trying to turn them against me. While I am sat here extremely isolated not speaking a word, what do I do?

I guess my question is – how to I approach this with my friends? I do not want to say anything bad about her or make my friends pick a side (I want them to be friends with us both), but I also want them to know my side of the story and wrong any false accusations she has made about me. I’m scared of losing my friends. I know true friends will stay, but with the horrible things she is saying about me, I am scared they may believe it.

Or ultimately – AIBU here?? I’m open to it all.

OP posts:
BoldMove · 28/03/2022 15:41

Presume they've told you what she's been saying for you to know? I'd probably explain that you don't want to bad mouth her and that its not fair that they are in the middle buy thats she's been making things up about you and hope you and her can still remain friends with them? Sounds like they probably know she has form for this anyway.

RiojaRose · 28/03/2022 16:16

I agree with BoldMove. Surely they know what she’s like?

Underfrighter · 28/03/2022 16:21

I'm pretty sure they know what she is like.

I would just say to them that you dont want to put them in a bad position of being in the middle of a he said / she said argument, and you value their friendship so hope that whatever drama is going on with wx friend wont come between you. Then ask them round for an evening or whatever you would normally do to show that you genuinely want to see them and try your best not to bring it all up

Youdoyoutoday · 28/03/2022 16:28

Ask your other mates out for a coffee and a chat and take it from there.
They must know what a drama llama she is so just explain you don't want to discuss hat as you don't want to put them in an awkward position.

nitsandwormsdodger · 28/03/2022 16:35

Well done for getting rid of a toxic frenemy
Now, what to do about friends :

  1. either they enjoy the drama and aren’t ready to let her go so you will have to accept they are playing with both teams
  2. arrange a quiet night in/ out where you can really talk and put your side , they will either drop her or the group will crumble and not be a friendship group again. True friends will know you and want to keep you close but I’m not hopeful your friendship group can survive Look after yourself and make new friends in the meantime Going forward put nothing in text form to ex friend and do not discuss ex friend to others in text form as it will be used against you
SunnySideUp2020 · 28/03/2022 16:49

Sounds like you are better off anyway.
If your common friends turn against you well they are either really stupid or as bad as her.
So I'd just pretend like nothing is happening.
Don't feed into the drama... that's probably what she would like.

Watchkeys · 28/03/2022 16:53

Just ignore the drama. You don't have to do anything. You're currently perpetuating the drama, look how much you wrote. You've essentially made 'My friend is badmouthing me' into a novel.

Grow up and take no notice, which is what any adult friends will also do. Anybody who buys into her nonsense isn't anybody you want to be close to.

Feedingthebirds1 · 28/03/2022 16:54

She has now latched on to our other friends (now her best friends, which I really really don’t mind)

If your common friends turn against you well they are either really stupid or as bad as her.

And if by any chance they do side with her, at least one of them will soon regret it. Because with you out of the picture she'll pick on one of them and history will repeat itself.

Onlythelaundryfairy · 28/03/2022 17:16

You are unreasonable in having put up with her as a "friend" for so long

lemongreentea · 28/03/2022 17:33

Far too much drama. Ditch this clingy one and live your life.

Swayingpalmtrees · 28/03/2022 18:26

particularly difficult – clingy, needy, a bit controlling, drama filled

You have described a friend in this way? A friend of 12 years. I am not sure you are much better op.

Ignore all the drama, it will burn itself out. Take the high road and be more selective next time.

Louloudaisy2020 · 29/03/2022 12:20

@Swayingpalmtrees yes, that's exactly how I have described an 'ex friend'. My point above all is that I've not spoke a bad word about her to anyone (other than this post anonymously). Not sure how that makes me worse? But thank you for your insight.

Thank you to everyone else for the advice and apologies for the novel! I had to let it all out as I've been sat here bottling it all up

Just to confirm, I don't want my friends to pick a side, hate her etc. I want them to stick be friends with her I just want to ensure they know my truth

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Swayingpalmtrees · 29/03/2022 12:25

I don't think it is very nice to describe anyone as difficult, controlling clingy etc. If you don't like her, distance yourself.

You don't need to share your truth op, just keep them out of it, remain respectful - if she is gossiping about you it won't take them long to work out which one is the problem. Stand back, remain friends with everyone, don't get into the detail as you will end up looking as bad as her.

Brefugee · 29/03/2022 12:26

all the use of "girls" for grown women is making my teeth itch.
Step back from her, keep up with the rest

MrsPerfect12 · 29/03/2022 12:31

What @Underfrighter has said is good.

How do you know she is talking about you to the others?

I’ve been there it isn’t nice but eventually you’ll feel better about it all. Flowers

Louloudaisy2020 · 29/03/2022 13:06

@Brefugee I think its regional, where I'm from it's 'girls' always (even my 55 year old mum uses it!) and where I live it's 'women'.

You're right I do prefer women though!

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Swayingpalmtrees · 29/03/2022 13:11

Are calling women bitches regional as well?

It is sexist and offensive.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 29/03/2022 13:14

Basically this will blow over if you steer clear of the ex friend. Don't feed the drama.
One of the others liked you enough to tell you what is going on,
you can deny the rumours ex friend is spreading but say that you won't be discussing ex friends dramas anymore as you've had enough.
Then see what happens.
Everyone will make their own decisions regardless, either to stay friends or not, so you can then move forward knowing that you've left behind an upsetting friendship.

Sobeyondthehills · 29/03/2022 13:18

If there are two other girls in the new friendship group, one of them is going to take the hit, so she can be best friends with just one, at a guess.

Bite you lip, dont get involved and just be there if you still want to be

Im2022 · 29/03/2022 13:22

Confused never heard of women being referred to as bitch in normal tongue, unless it’s a dog?

Anyway. Your post is frustrating me. Just block and ignore and don’t even discuss her with your friends. Let them talk behind your back and whatever they want. Complete cold Turkey block. Stop caring what people think. Have a normal friendship with your friends and tell them you don’t want to talk about her again.

xsquared · 29/03/2022 13:24

Well done for removing yourself from the drama.

Remain dignified and don't react to further drama she is creating. To be honest, showing your friends screenshots of your conversations reflect badly on her, not you. All you can do is be factual if anyone asks you anything and it's up to them to make a decision about whether they want to remain friend with you and your former friend.

This sort of behaviour should have ended back in year 7 to be honest.

Bellex · 29/03/2022 13:49

I had a friend like this, it’s a form of emotional abuse. You have to total ignore her as she’ll most likely try to get a reaction out of and if she try’s to make up just walk away.

I made the mistake at the time of telling my friends how horrific she was ( they all knew) and she made it seem like it was all me. Everything she was doing to me I was in fact doing to her.

I would engage with your friends and when you’re together in person say you’ve fallen out. For you it’s for the best, you’d like to not going into details as it wouldn’t be fair on them, you hope this doesn’t impact your friendship. The only thing you ask if they don’t bring her up to you nor discuss you to her.

I’d also start making some new friends in case.

Mine 5 years on have all admitted they knew what my best friend was doing to me and they didn’t get involved and took her side as it easier and they didn’t want the drama.

Bellex · 29/03/2022 13:51

@Swayingpalmtrees

I don't think it is very nice to describe anyone as difficult, controlling clingy etc. If you don't like her, distance yourself.

You don't need to share your truth op, just keep them out of it, remain respectful - if she is gossiping about you it won't take them long to work out which one is the problem. Stand back, remain friends with everyone, don't get into the detail as you will end up looking as bad as her.

Just because you think it’s ‘not nice’ doesn’t mean it’s not the truth.

That’s how the OP feels and is valid part to her post.

Sally872 · 29/03/2022 13:55

Yanbu. Keep in contact with your other friends, don't bad mouth her, but keep a distance. What she says about you will show the person she is, just do the right thing and the others will see that.

If anyone asks you then I would tell the truth but at a high level rather than getting into detail about it.

Sittingonabench · 29/03/2022 14:13

You continue your friendship with your friends and make an effort to arrange things without ex friend slowly and in small groups so you aren’t excluding only her. If they ask a direct question, answer it as honestly as you can without bad-mouthing. That may lead them to ask more and getting your side of story across but be careful not to blame her e.g I found some requests a bit overwhelming at the time rather than she is demanding. I wouldn’t worry though if she is like this then her friends will be aware