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To despair at women being treated as chattels

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MoiraNotRuby · 28/03/2022 10:04

Ffs. Jada Pinkett Smith is insulted and the conversation is all about how the men reacted. 'My' wife doesn't mean she fucking belongs to you. I have such a low opinion of both men but also the media. Discussing whether chris should apologise to will, will should apologise to chris, FFS. How about they both apologise to Jada.

Women need men to get on board with equality. But we don't need men 'defending us' like this.

And violence is never the answer.

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Ifeellikedancing · 28/03/2022 10:10

Agree wholeheartedly. If I were Jada I wouldn't know who to be more annoyed with. Disgraceful.

Notwithittoday · 28/03/2022 10:12

It would have shown more courageous if he’d have stood up and challenged the guy verbally to apologise. They both just look like idiots.

PurpleDaisies · 28/03/2022 10:14

I agree with you.

araiwa · 28/03/2022 10:16

Yet so many threads complaining about their DH not standing up for them

Knittingchamp · 28/03/2022 10:16

OP some idiot insulted his wife so he smacked him one. Won't be the first or the last to do so. I wouldn't read into it too much other than he's human and he reached his limit and wanted to have his wife's back. A friend did that for me once actually (female friend). Back in the day if you were an asshole to someone's face you risked a smack in the mouth, end of.

PurpleDaisies · 28/03/2022 10:18

@araiwa

Yet so many threads complaining about their DH not standing up for them
Standing up for them how? It’s usually mil issues and that’s often deal with better by the person who is actually related to them. If dh had an issue with my mum, I’d stand up for him. Nobody should be punching someone else in the face.
fiftyandfat · 28/03/2022 10:18

He should have stood up and used his words.

Ifeellikedancing · 28/03/2022 10:18

@araiwa

Yet so many threads complaining about their DH not standing up for them
Standing up for someone is completely different from assaulting someone on live TV.
PurpleDaisies · 28/03/2022 10:18

@fiftyandfat

He should have stood up and used his words.
Or she should.
HistoricMoment · 28/03/2022 10:22

I agree. Fighting over a woman ffs, is this 2022 or not?

Toomanyradishes · 28/03/2022 10:22

Back in the day if you were an asshole to someone's face you risked a smack in the mouth, end of

Ah yes back in the good old days where men were men, married women could be legally raped, children assaulted and pesky disabled people locked away from society...

Just because something used to hapoen doesnt make it a good thing ffs. Violence is not the answer, Will Smith would have done better to educate rather than assault, or better still support Jada is speaking out if she wanted to. But sure a smacking people in the mouth is always a good response Hmm

Onlyforcake · 28/03/2022 10:24

Absolutely. Bloody awful display. I'm sure, she'd have a more fitting response than this.

Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2022 10:26

The only time I would expect my DH to defend me would be if I was physically attacked by a man.
I don’t like the “my wife” shit, it’s as if Smith himself was insulted.

EmpressCixi · 28/03/2022 10:31

I don’t think Will Smith should have assaulted Chris Rock when his wife Jada was insulted by Chris. However, I do not agree that him doing so is treating Jada like “chattel”. Just so you know “chattel” means property as in literally their slave. If Will were to actually be treating his wife as his property and his slave, he wouldn’t give two shits about what Chris Rock said.

EmpressCixi · 28/03/2022 10:35

we don't need men 'defending us' like this. And violence is never the answer.

Agree violence is never the answer to verbal insults. However, sometimes we do need men to defend us with violence. Have you never needed a bouncer to physically remove a pervy, groping, aggressive much larger than you man away from you in a night club?

forlornlorna · 28/03/2022 10:38

If I was jada I'd have given Chris the middle finger. I don't stand in my husbands shadow and have him physically or emotionally protect me, we stand shoulder to shoulder together when faced with shit people.
I'd actually be very annoyed with my dh if he behaved like that

PurpleDaisies · 28/03/2022 10:41

Have you never needed a bouncer to physically remove a pervy, groping, aggressive much larger than you man away from you in a night club?

Never.

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MoiraNotRuby · 28/03/2022 10:42

@EmpressCixi

I don’t think Will Smith should have assaulted Chris Rock when his wife Jada was insulted by Chris. However, I do not agree that him doing so is treating Jada like “chattel”. Just so you know “chattel” means property as in literally their slave. If Will were to actually be treating his wife as his property and his slave, he wouldn’t give two shits about what Chris Rock said.
I think chattel is the best word (that I can think of) - Will's reaction could apply equally to 'don't scratch my car' 'don't burgle my house' 'don't insult my wife'- he absolutely treated her like a possession of his.
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Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2022 10:43

@EmpressCixi

I don’t think Will Smith should have assaulted Chris Rock when his wife Jada was insulted by Chris. However, I do not agree that him doing so is treating Jada like “chattel”. Just so you know “chattel” means property as in literally their slave. If Will were to actually be treating his wife as his property and his slave, he wouldn’t give two shits about what Chris Rock said.
He would though There is a certain brand of Toxic masculinity that believes insulting a mans wife is insulting the man himself
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MoiraNotRuby · 28/03/2022 10:44

@EmpressCixi

we don't need men 'defending us' like this. And violence is never the answer.

Agree violence is never the answer to verbal insults. However, sometimes we do need men to defend us with violence. Have you never needed a bouncer to physically remove a pervy, groping, aggressive much larger than you man away from you in a night club?

I've been assaulted by a man while men watched, and yes I could have done with the audience stepping in, but defence and violence are different imo.
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SickAndTiredAgain · 28/03/2022 10:45

Discussing whether chris should apologise to will, will should apologise to chris, FFS. How about they both apologise to Jada.

Well, I think Will Smith should apologise to Chris Rock - he hit him.

I agree that Smith isn’t owed an apology by anyone though.

SometimesMaybe · 28/03/2022 10:46

I agree. Man makes horribly offensive comment about a woman’s medical problem (and by default her “attractiveness”) which was disgusting in itself then husband of woman assaults first man for presumably “disrespecting” his wife.
I bet Jada feels belittled, embarrassed and incredibly hurt today. All caused by the actions of two men and she is just the side show. Utterly appalling.

BloodyloveGeorge · 28/03/2022 10:46

She’s more than capable of speaking for herself, and I’m Sure she’d do it far more eloquently and powerfully than slapping someone like a toddler who doesn’t know how to use their words yet.

EmpressCixi · 28/03/2022 10:46

Chris Rocks joke was biphobic in nature though. His “GI Jane” comment regarding her buzz hair cut was casting shade on the fact Jada is bisexual. It was a completely unacceptable joke to make, and no one is talking about that at all.

ClinkeyMonkey · 28/03/2022 10:48

I absolutely agree OP. If Jada Pinkett Smith had wanted to (very rightly) object to a joke she found offensive, then it was up to her. Indeed, her angry expression spoke alone volumes and perhaps that was all that was needed from her point of view. But Will Smith took autonomy away from her when he 'defended' her in this way. It's pathetic. If my DP did something like that, albeit in my defence, I'd be bloody raging at him.