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Staying away for work

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Justonemoreepisode · 28/03/2022 07:54

Trying to settle an argument with DH and would like opinions on which of us is being unreasonable.
We are Married, 2 Dcs - one senior school, one primary. Both work in fairly stressful roles requiring some out of hours work but both ‘home based on paper’.
DH’s job requires away stays, this has always been part of the role - been less through Covid but now starting up again.
So the issue is Should nights away with work be discussed in advance or is it ok to announce on the day that they will be away. DH thinks it’s a known part of the role and Unless I state that I/the kids have plans he doesn’t need to say in advance away . I think it lacks respect mentioning it prior to the day.
For context, I have historically suffered with poor mental health which can make me paranoid/anxious, I am currently in a very good space though. He sees this as a reason for not telling me earlier so I have less time to worry.

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LuaDipa · 28/03/2022 19:29

Both dh and I have worked away at various points in our marriage. We would always let the other know as soon as we knew. It’s pretty selfish to leave it until the same day and I wouldn’t be letting that slide op.

NumberTheory · 28/03/2022 22:30

@Justonemoreepisode

Hi, sorry been at work all day. In terms of my mental health, I had post natal depression at the time he had a female work colleague who I felt he had gotten too close and we would argue about - it was at this time that I would be paranoid about where he was. Never any evidence of anything physical happening but I felt that the way she behaved was inappropriate; at the time lots of arguments etc until I ultimately said it’s her or me. He told her he needed to end the friendship at which point she told him she loved him, lots of phone calls crying etc. He was genuinely shocked by this and lots of apologies for not trusting my feelings. Since then I’ve had counselling and CBT and am in a really good place. He goes away for weekends away with friends and stays away from work regularly - no drama or problems from me other than a lack of respect in telling me or considering my plans and that the excuse is alway my MH rather than his lack of consideration. I’ve tried a paper calendar on the wall, syncing phone calendars, apps and telling him just to email me when he knows - still we have this. Real life friends think I make his life too easy as I do pretty much 100% of the child care etc. For context, not that it should make a difference, but in similar level positions with negligible difference in income (£2000 a year).
Wow. That's kind of different. As they say - It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you. He uses your mental health as an excuse to treat you in a way which will exacerbate mental health problems! It's kind of shocking.

He doesn't sound like he has much respect for you, to be honest. Which is a hard thing to come to terms with and a very difficult thing to change

I think your friends are partially correct, except it seems to put the blame on you. I wonder how much it's that you have made his life too easy and how much it's that he has just never tried to pull his weight properly and insisting on it was always going to be too much work?

Making him take on more of the responsibility for childcare wouldn't be a bad idea, though. And not in a way where you do all the anticipatory stuff and he just plays at being dad doing what you've told him to but letting you pick up all the pieces if he ducks out when something else comes along - make him responsible for arranging care on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and every other weekend, say. And if he isn't going to be around he'll need to check with you and arrange a babysitter or something of you aren't around. Get yourself out of the house more and find some none family and home based things to do so that he can't just expect you to be there. Say "no - find a babysitter" at least some of the time when he asks you to change plans.

Ultimately, though, since you've already tried talking to him and asking him for what you need and he's just continuing on his merry way because it works for him, I think you're going to have to be prepared to rock the boat a bit and be as selfish back if you're going to bring him round. Either reciprocate in kind or threaten divorce and mean it.

Have you considered marriage counseling? It may help you communicate as you push your agenda.

Changeychangey · 28/03/2022 22:38

Do has an on call element to his job. As soon as he knows his shifts we coordinate our diaries. I currently know when he's going to be away (approx once a week plus roughly one weekend in 6) up until the end of May. I also struggle with my mental health and knowing his shifts ahead of time actually makes it easier. If he dropped it in the morning I'd be mad, it's thoughtless and dismissive to do that.

Plus I can plan things like meals if I know when in advance he'll be gone. It's just good manners to keep everyone in the loop.

Ragwort · 28/03/2022 22:44

Of course he should tell you, why on earth wouldn't he? It's just normal courtesy, doesn't he need to know that you won't be out for the evening yourself - or does he just assume that you are always at home taking care of everything?

DH and I are in our 60s, no DC at home but we always coordinate our diaries. I am away myself this week for three nights and DH made sure I knew that he would also be away one of those nights even though it obviously wouldn't effect me ... but surely it's just good manners?

Hankunamatata · 28/03/2022 22:49

Of course he bloody needs to say on advance. Firstly it just good manners, secondly it doesn't create a secure environment for kids if they dont know where dad is. My dh works away sometimes we share childcare so his days need covered when he is away.

IGotAVaxAndILikedIt · 28/03/2022 23:26

We run a shared google calendar, and now that the kids are teens they use it too.

We both have to travel for work and put in dates/plans asap. Of course there can be last minute changes but we work it out.

Your issues go deeper than scheduling though. DH and I are a team and always have been - that is why the calendar works.

HomeHomeInTheRange · 29/03/2022 03:04

His ‘system’ means he holds the ultimate veto over everyone else’s time and calendars.

Everyone else has to declare plans in advance with the default assumption being that he could be away that night otherwise.

His ‘system’ takes for granted that you will not be at a spa for a friends birthday or having your bunions removed in hospital, or whatever, and takes for granted that he can come and go as he pleases and everyone else can and will work round that.

ThinWomansBrain · 29/03/2022 03:29

do you do cooking and meal prep?
just prepare meals for you and the children, let him make his own arrangements - how are you supposed to know whether or not he will be there?
he sounds like a self centered twat.

Muppetlove · 29/03/2022 07:10

This last sentence filled me with rage

He sees this as a reason for not telling me earlier so I have less time to worry.

Where the fuck does he get off deciding what and when you will worry about something. It is controlling and condescending. If my DH said something like that to me he'd be getting a very short shift. It's not up to him to decide what you will worry about. Tell him to jog on.

It's also very disrespectful to not care about your plans. How about you go out a few times without telling him when you'll be home. He needs a reality check.

Whetheryouthinkyoucan · 29/03/2022 07:20

So based on your OP:

I travel a lot. If it’s more than a night or two then I tell my DH the same day I find out. If it’s only a day then I usually tell him in conversation before hand, but I don’t purposely inform him as such. Sometimes it’s a last minute thing and neither of us know.

However based on your second post; you’ve got bigger problems than calendars.

Coughee · 29/03/2022 07:21

@HomeHomeInTheRange

His ‘system’ means he holds the ultimate veto over everyone else’s time and calendars.

Everyone else has to declare plans in advance with the default assumption being that he could be away that night otherwise.

His ‘system’ takes for granted that you will not be at a spa for a friends birthday or having your bunions removed in hospital, or whatever, and takes for granted that he can come and go as he pleases and everyone else can and will work round that.

Yep, it's about this isn't? He is more important than everyone else and he gets ultimate control and veto over what you are doing. It shows a complete lack of respect for you.
User0610134049 · 29/03/2022 07:23

I have this issue to with my dh although he doesn’t even have an excuse. It’s just lack of courtesy and shows he has no notion that we parent as a team. It’s all just down to me and he can go off on work trips abroad and dinners whenever he likes in his mind and doesn’t bother telling me until the day before or until I ask, even though he knows I have regular hobbies/commitments that I need a babysitter for if he’s not around.

I once asked if he was going into his office for work the following week (long commute) and he said no. But didn’t bother to mention at that point although he wasn’t going to the office he was going abroad.

reluctantbrit · 29/03/2022 07:42

DH always asks me in advance to ensure there is nothing happening like a maybe-thing which hasn't been confirmed. Same for the other way round, I may arrange going out but that's impossible if DH would suddenly say he is going away for a couple of days.

We do share a calendar but it doesn't include my work stuff as it normally happens during the day, if I have a late do then I log it as family thing anyway.

But I think it's pure respect to each other to not dump something big on each other with hardly any notice.

Whoopsies · 29/03/2022 07:56

This is what a shared calendar is for! Me and DH know all of each others future plans and you can check before you agree to anything to see if the other has plans already.

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