To say that job titles shouldn't include the word 'architect' unless they are actually an architect?

[itssunnyyay]

Hi all, so my partner is an architect, It takes years to become an architect and you have to be registered on the RIBA (royal institute of British architects) to call yourself an architect.

I have noticed an increasing number of jobs using the job title 'architect' that has nothing to do with architecture.. for example, "solution Architect" which is 'responsible for evaluating an organisations business needs and determining how IT can support those needs leveraging software" so .. not an architect.

Other job titles are "software architect", "senior enterprise solution architect manufacturing", "web solutions architect", "HR solutions architect", "finance and accounting digital architect", "analytics implementation architect", "deputy food architect", "platform architect" ... the list goes on

Isn't Architect a protected title? IMO job titles should actually mean something, and all of the above mean absolutely nothing?

OP,

Are we stepping away from the really interesting topic though, which is....

You came across these job titles when YOU were googling job opportunities for your DH.

Why on Earth are you doing that?

[quote wonkylegs]@C8H10N4O2
Your slightly wrong about the protected title bit but it's a common mistake.
RIBA denotes professional membership of the Royal Institute of British Architects
This is optional and not in anyway protected by law although Chartered Architects do need to be registered architects to be members but other membership categories exist in the RIBA that don't require you to be an architect. You can be an architect and not a member of the RIBA and many aren't.
The term Architect is protected by law via the ARB - architects registration board however there is a caveat in that they only prosecute if the title is being misused to misrepresent or deliberately confuse generally within the industry. They readily recognise that Naval Architect or Software Architect aren't doing that. [/quote]
Yes you are right, I'm thinking of the Chartered status and conflating the qualification and RIBA incorrectly.

@EinsteinaGogo

OP,

Are we stepping away from the really interesting topic though, which is....

You came across these job titles when YOU were googling job opportunities for your DH.

Why on Earth are you doing that?

Is that a weird thing to do? DP and I were having a conversation last night about his frustrations with his current job, he said he really wanted a change etc I'm off today so spent some time having a little look at what was out there... being a supportive partner who takes interest in his job and encourages him?

@SisyphusDad

YABVU. I have the word 'architect' in my job title (IT- related) and it is perfectly reasonable in the context of what I do. Absolutely no one expects me to be able to design a building.

Most RIBA architects can't either!

I think hunting for jobs for your adult, highly qualified partner is quite odd indeed, OP.

@EinsteinaGogo

I think hunting for jobs for your adult, highly qualified partner is quite odd indeed, OP.

You've literally just said that and I've literally just answered .. sorry but I really don't think it's a weird thing to do

My husband designs the software in microchips used in phones and computers. He is a Computer Architect. The word "architect" is a very accurate description of what he does, just not in a bricks and mortar sense.

May I ask what your job title is then? Because you said you were an architect in areas of IT?

I said upthread in my first post - I carry the titles of architect, engineer and doctor, each with their associated professional qualifications and chartership.

But never fear OP, wunderpartner's job is safe. There is zero chance that anyone reading the first line of my registration descriptions would want me to design their kitchen extension or loft conversion.

@C8H10N4O2

May I ask what your job title is then? Because you said you were an architect in areas of IT?

I said upthread in my first post - I carry the titles of architect, engineer and doctor, each with their associated professional qualifications and chartership.

But never fear OP, wunderpartner's job is safe. There is zero chance that anyone reading the first line of my registration descriptions would want me to design their kitchen extension or loft conversion.

You said you carry the title architect in areas of IT, most IT jobs with architect in the title that I have seen are 'solutions architect' and the like, you say you aren't an architect but also say you are so.. I'm confused?

@BitOutOfPractice

To be fair to (RBA- registered) Architects, I once read - long before Solution Architects were a thing -

"If Architects built buildings the same way that computer programmers wrote programs, the first woodpecker along would destroy civilisation!"

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

YANBU I work in IT and rue the day some wank-faced cunt started calling everyone a fucking architect. It's incredibly ill-defined too and ranges from a system admin person via an interfaces specialist to person with highly sophisticated infrastructure plans and everything in between. Twats.

Also work in I.T. couldn't agree more.

Surely I.T. is the industry with most ridiculous job titles?

@SisyphusDad I love that!

As I type I sit looking at the scaffolding up around my home, less than 7 years old, that has just had £7m of remediation work done on it to put right the mistakes of architects (and in fairness contractors, building control, etc) that should not have been made in the first place. Not their fault of course. They are merely the highly qualified professionals

I'm confused?

I think "in denial" is probably your issue.

The word "architect" has never exclusively meant buildings architects.

@C8H10N4O2

I'm confused?

I think "in denial" is probably your issue.

The word "architect" has never exclusively meant buildings architects.

Nope I am genuinely confused, please may you explain? I had the understanding that you had be an architect to be registered as an architect

@nearlyspringyay

Firstly, you're wrong.

Secondly, why would you be annoyed about it, it's not even you?

Yeah, getting this worked up about the status attached to your partner's job title is pretty cringe.

@EinsteinaGogo

I think hunting for jobs for your adult, highly qualified partner is quite odd indeed, OP.

Agreed. It's really fucking weird.

If I happened, by chance, to come across a job that I thought would interest my (professional, experienced) DH, then I'd send it to him. But I wouldn't be actively job searching for him because has far more experience in his field than I do, and is therefore better equipped to understand the nuances of the jobs available, and which he might be best suited to.

The same applies in reverse - I know more about my own career and my own field of expertise than DH, so he wouldn't job search for me.

@ClariceQuiff

I often see 'Scrum Master' vacancies but it has nothing to do with rugby. It's a project management role.

um no!

@DameHelena

A finance solutions architect builds the software solutions to be used in financial institutions such as banks, or for company payrolls. Every stock market has a financial solutions architect that’s designed that solution.

A solutions architect is a software engineer who has had specified training to be able to design and build and implement an IT solution. Because some software systems are extremely large and involve large amounts of data, integration of various incompatible systems, data migrations, and often upgrading of obsolete systems, the solutions architect is the expert who is the one who ensures the infrastructure will be sufficient and that the engineering teams build what is needed.

Software engineers don’t just sit down and write code randomly. We follow a design pattern and architecture and requirements for the software we build.

Therefore, all this foolishness about “it sounds weird”… well thanks to architects you have internet and can make a fool of yourselves complaining that IT people don’t properly kowtow down to your very important dick swinging husbands who have these prestigious careers.

🙄

Lmao you make it sound like I was contacting companies and applying for jobs for him. I had some spare time in the day so went and had a browse as a sort of 'look what's out there' exercise to help encourage him. Sorry if that's 'really fucking weird'

i'm only surprised you haven't mentioned how much he earns...yet

@SausagePourHomme

i'm only surprised you haven't mentioned how much he earns...yet

I kind of did actually, I said architects aren't paid well and solution architects probably earn more

@itssunnyyay

Lmao you make it sound like I was contacting companies and applying for jobs for him. I had some spare time in the day so went and had a browse as a sort of 'look what's out there' exercise to help encourage him. Sorry if that's 'really fucking weird'

And you got so invested in it you started a thread on mumsnet!

Just own it, it's weird.

I had the understanding that you had be an architect to be registered as an architect

I am an architect. Just not one who designs buildings. Get your head around it.

Look on the bright side. If someone accidentally offered your highly qualified building partner a job in my space he would get that salary hike you are so keen on.

anyway, if you really want to be irritated, have a look at some of the things people do and still claim to be a 'project manager'. it seems to mean almost anything the mind can imagine.

[quote MarshmallowSwede]@DameHelena

A finance solutions architect builds the software solutions to be used in financial institutions such as banks, or for company payrolls. Every stock market has a financial solutions architect that’s designed that solution.

A solutions architect is a software engineer who has had specified training to be able to design and build and implement an IT solution. Because some software systems are extremely large and involve large amounts of data, integration of various incompatible systems, data migrations, and often upgrading of obsolete systems, the solutions architect is the expert who is the one who ensures the infrastructure will be sufficient and that the engineering teams build what is needed.

Software engineers don’t just sit down and write code randomly. We follow a design pattern and architecture and requirements for the software we build.

Therefore, all this foolishness about “it sounds weird”… well thanks to architects you have internet and can make a fool of yourselves complaining that IT people don’t properly kowtow down to your very important dick swinging husbands who have these prestigious careers.

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Thanks to architects you have internet and can make a fool of yourselves complaining that IT people don’t properly kowtow down to your very important dick swinging husbands who have these prestigious careers.
Do what now?
I do love being mansplained to.
I didn't say it 'sounds weird', and whose husband are you talking about? How do you know I have one or what he might do?
What a very odd post.