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to think it ridiculous that India Knight calls her diet easy to follow and compatible with everyday life?

111 replies

emkana · 06/01/2008 20:04

It's bl*dy Atkins all over again and not in the least easy IMO.

Okay so she wants to advocate this kind of diet, but why pretend it's something it's not?

Weight Watchers, now that's a diet easy to follow - one where you are allowed everything within reason and not a ridiculously restricted amount of food

One quote from the Sunday Times magazine today:

"you are allowed all vegetables, apart from potatoes, carrots, peas and sweetcorn" WTF?

Vinegar "allowed, apart form balsamic"

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Lauriefairycake · 06/01/2008 21:25

You can eat porridge on the India Knight diet (just not in first two weeks)

Loooove porridge, fills me up too.

Oliveoil · 06/01/2008 21:25
yurt1 · 06/01/2008 21:25

I'd lose weight if I stopped drinking so much. BUt I think I'd be gibbering without it. Cheers.

Oliveoil · 06/01/2008 21:25

why not porridge for first 2 weeks then?

partypiece · 06/01/2008 21:25

This is the other study.
High-Protein Diet Enhances Weight Loss

Feb. 12, 2003 ? A relatively high-protein diet improves body composition, enhances weight loss, and improves glucose and insulin homeostasis, according to two reports from the same study group which appear in the February issue of the Journal of Nutrition.

"Amino acids interact with glucose metabolism both as carbon substrates and by recycling glucose carbon via alanine and glutamine; however, the effect of protein intake on glucose homeostasis during weight loss remains unknown," write Donald K. Layman and colleagues from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

In this study, 24 adult women who were more than 15% above ideal body weight were assigned to either a predominantly protein diet or a predominantly carbohydrate diet. The protein diet included 1.6 g/kg/day protein, with less than 40% of energy coming from carbohydrate, while the carbohydrate diet included 0.8 g/kg/day protein, with more than 55% of energy coming from carbohydrate. Both diets were equal in calories (7100 kJ/day) and in fat (50 g/day).

After 10 weeks, weight loss was 7.53 ± 1.44 kg in the protein group and 6.96 ± 1.36 kg in the carbohydrate group. Subjects in the carbohydrate group had lower fasting (4.34 ± 0.10 vs. 4.89 ± 0.11 mmol/L) and postprandial blood glucose (3.77 ± 0.14 vs. 4.33 ± 0.15 mmol/L) and an elevated insulin response to meals (207 ± 21 vs. 75 ± 18 pmol/L).

"This study demonstrates that consumption of a diet with increased protein and a reduced carbohydrate/protein ratio stabilizes blood glucose during nonabsorptive periods and reduces the postprandial insulin response," the authors write.

According to a second report from the same study group, "claims about the merits or risks of carbohydrate vs. protein for weight loss diets are extensive, yet the ideal ratio of dietary carbohydrate to protein for adult health and weight management remains unknown."

In this study, 24 women were assigned to either a predominantly carbohydrate diet containing 68 g/day protein with a carbohydrate/protein ratio of 3.5, or to a predominantly protein diet containing 125 g/day protein with a ratio of 1.4. Each diet provided 7100 kJ/day and approximately 50 g/day of fat. Age range was 45 to 56 years and body mass indices were greater than 26 kg/m2.

After 10 weeks, weight loss was 6.96 ± 1.36 kg in the carbohydrate group and 7.53 ± 1.44 kg in the protein group. Compared with the carbohydrate group, weight loss in the protein group had an increased ratio of fat to muscle loss (6.3 ± 1.2 g/g vs. 3.8 ± 0.9 g/g). Serum cholesterol reduction was approximately 10% in both groups, but only the protein group had significant reductions in triacylglycerols (TAG; 21%) and in the ratio of TAG to high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (23%).

"This study demonstrates that increasing the proportion of protein to carbohydrate in the diet of adult women has positive effects on body composition, blood lipids, glucose homeostasis and satiety during weight loss," the authors write. "Although it is unlikely that any one diet will be ideal for all individuals, these results indicate that changes in the ratio of protein to carbohydrate toward a higher protein diet can be effective in the control of body weight with parallel improvements in blood lipids."

partypiece · 06/01/2008 21:26

I'm not saying high protein diets are perfect or anything. the jury seems to be out on health benefits/risks.

Lauriefairycake · 06/01/2008 21:26

Misdee, the before and after pics are in the book - they very bravely wore black tights and leotards so you could really see where the weight came off

I pored over the pictures..

Oliveoil · 06/01/2008 21:26

agree on booze

wine = Kettles = huge greedy bag to oneself = gluttony

VeniVidiVickiQV · 06/01/2008 21:26

And also - the theory behind GI type diets - complex carbs release energy slower over a longer period, whereas crap sweet food will give you a quick 'rush' and then your energy levels will crash - making you crave something to eat again quicker (which is how your body can become addicted to sugary/processed foods)

fishie · 06/01/2008 21:27

laurie have you ever investigated your blood sugar levels? i get on much better with lots of high fibre, veg, plenty of low fat protein and no sweeties. well yes of course everyone gets on well with that but i mean don't get all wobbly between meals.

Oliveoil · 06/01/2008 21:28

I have far too much sugar

a NY resolution to cut down

cause of my tiredness I think

VeniVidiVickiQV · 06/01/2008 21:29

AND serotonin and tryptophan rich foods also help to stop overeating too. Low seratonin levels (which can be a cause/symptom of depression) can cause over-eating.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 06/01/2008 21:30

laurie - have you ever had PND or depression?

Did you have pre-eclampsia in your pg?

fishie · 06/01/2008 21:31

lentil weaving is the way then. washed down with plenty of wine.

Lauriefairycake · 06/01/2008 21:33

Yes fishie, monitor by blood sugar levels every day (low level diabetes)

Never had pnd or depression or pre-eclampsia

Agree with the theory on low gi diets too. Thats what I mean about it being complex - lots of reasons why I do better on higher protein diets (some physical, some emotional)

annoyingdevil · 06/01/2008 21:37

The reason simple carbs are more fattening than protein rich foods is that it takes zero energy to break them down. Put a piece of white bread in your mouth and it will soon turn sweet as the enzymes in your mouth break it down to glucose. All foods eventually break down to glucose, the process is far more complex for protein and fat.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 06/01/2008 21:41

Diabetes, over-eating, PND, pre-eclampsia, PCOS, PMT, insomnia and one or two other things that escape me atm seem to be affected by low tryptophan and serotonin levels. (Turkey v high in tryptophan, advocados high in serotonin. Grapefruit deplete trytophan apparently).

All interesting stuff. I dont fully understand the whole thing, but, I'd like to find out more.

partypiece · 06/01/2008 22:17

This is interesting about the medical biochemical reasons why high carb diets don't work for women with hormonal imbalances.
POLYCYSTIC OVARY SYNDROME (PCOS) AND LOW CARBOHYDRATE DIET

Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) is a complex, multi-faceted syndrome characterized clinically by high levels of androgen hormones (such as testosterone), high levels of insulin, lower abdominal obesity, acne, masculine hair growth patterns, and menstrual irregularities. A review of some of the scientific literature regarding PCOS suggests that* one effective strategy for ameliorating the symptoms of PCOS may indeed be a low carbohydrate diet that tightly controls blood glucose and insulin levels.**

While the underlying reason is still not entirely clear, research shows that women with PCOS develop very significant insulin resistance, meaning that their tissues become less sensitive to the message insulin sends to them to take glucose from the blood and move it into tissues to be used for energy.

rest of article is here www.soulcysters.net/pcos-non-traditional-low-carb-diet-6049/
A friend with pcos lost stones and stones once she shifted to a high protein diet.

Tinker · 06/01/2008 22:27

I'm sure her before and after pics were in teh Observer Woman mag last year - I couldn't see much difference tbh. Agree with Enid on all this diet/money making business. And that you do just know she (IK) will have another,um, expansion in a few years time

SayNOtothecookieRookie · 06/01/2008 22:35

Oh I bought the stupid book last weekend because it was only £4.00 from Tescos.

I wish I hadn't bothered. Any "diet" that advocates eating ridiculous amounts of fat and restricts fruit and vegetables seems to be intrinsically stupid to me.

Here's my top diet tip, instead of wasting all my time on Mumsnet go out for an invigorating run or do some star jumps and watch the weight fall off.

ShrinkingViolet · 06/01/2008 22:42

I have (mildish) PCOS and lose weight on low-carb diets, but lose absolutely nothing on WW or the old Slimming World green days. According to one researcher into PCOS, to do WW successfully with PCOS, you need ot have 4 less points per day than they tell you (this was under the old scheme whereby I was allowed 18-20 points; the new one is much more liberal I believe) simply becasue with PCOS, your body doesn't process food, particularly sinmple carbohydrates, properly. So yes, I could have 200 calories worth of KitKat and put on weight, but 200 calories of steak and lose weight.

fishie · 06/01/2008 22:46

i do think their motivating bits are really good though. no need to carry on to part 2.

Quattrocento · 06/01/2008 22:48

that the book was only £4 in Tescos - I paid full price for that nonsense GRRR

Alambil · 06/01/2008 22:53

The best diet for PCOS is the Low Gi one - it has had far more proper scientific research and has been proven to work - it is also the best for diabetics.

I am on that diet (the low gi) and have lost 2 stone in 10 weeks with exersise too .... it works, it is safe and it IS for life (it is simple eating as we were designed for - no processed rubbish and saturated fats etc.)

The thing about the GI one that is good is that it does use complex carbs (slow release energy) and unsaturated fats (olive oil, nuts, seeds) because they are what we naturally need - they keep our insulin stable which keeps us from picking/craving foods that are high Gi (biscuits, bread for example - eat one biscuit, in 10 mins you want 5 more because the sugar rush has depleted)

I have done WW and SW - looking at the research/logic of GI I can see all the pitfalls of the other two - they are just NOT correct in their information.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 06/01/2008 23:03

I've looked at low GI - but feel it is probably a bit more of a faff......

How have you found it LB?

Is it easy to pick out foods that are low gi?

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