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To think rejecting someone for job on the basis of their “strong Welsh accent” is disgusting and discriminatory?

198 replies

CounsellorTroi · 22/03/2022 17:45

I hope she gets bsomewhere with a discrimination case.

nation.cymru/news/cardiff-woman-who-posted-rejection-letter-blaming-her-strong-welsh-accent-offered-legal-help/

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Maggit · 22/03/2022 18:51

It's ridiculous and discriminatory. I'm Welsh and can barely hear any accent in that video.
Rumours flying around twitter that the email is a fake though. I hope Nation Cymru have checked before printing that story (doubt it though, they do love a bit of clickbait.)

BitOutOfPractice · 22/03/2022 18:51

Speaking as someone from a region with an accent that regularly tops “least popular accent” polls, this kind of prejudice is not surprising.

I think, given how clearly she speaks, it’s more likely to be her politics that they object to.

Gowithme · 22/03/2022 18:53

I have relatives in the valleys who talk very fast and I struggle to understand (much as I love their accent!). She hardly has any accent and annunciates very clearly.

SiobhanSharpe · 22/03/2022 18:56

To me she had a clear, well-spoken voice with just a little bit of a Welsh accent.
She sounded very good.

WhyIsEverythingSoHard · 22/03/2022 18:58

I’m not British and often struggle with regional accents.

She is easy to understand. There is absolutely no issue with that.

The British (English?) who say they are struggling made me Hmm tbh. You really want to find issues with her accent to find it hard to understand.

Yants · 22/03/2022 19:05

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Morfil · 22/03/2022 19:07

Rumours flying around twitter that the email is a fake though. I hope Nation Cymru have checked before printing that story (doubt it though, they do love a bit of clickbait.)
I haven’t been able to find those rumours, but I am highly doubtful that she would fake the rejection. Is there any actual reason people have given for thinking it’s fake, or is it just the general disbelief of any occurrence of racist/discriminatory events that’s so common these days (see the threads on here re Child Q, for example).

tkwal · 22/03/2022 19:08

Accents can be problematic but I find if I ask the speaker to repeat themselves and speak more slowly I usually get there in the end

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/03/2022 19:09

I suspect that the accent might be a red herring, and the real reason they didn't want her was because of her robust political views and opinions

I'm starting to wonder myself, but since we don't even seem to know who this job was with, it strikes me as another of those cases where there's a lot more to it than has been reported

Maggit · 22/03/2022 19:09

Yants Your post is discriminatory, unkind and uncalled for. And yes, very judgmental. A lot of north west Wales' population speak Welsh as a first language. So you're deriding people for not sounding how you want them to sound when they're speaking their second language.
Shame on you. Xenophobe.

Morfil · 22/03/2022 19:10

@Yants

If you truly hate to sound judgmental, I’ve got some bad news for you…

Maggit · 22/03/2022 19:13

I haven’t been able to find those rumours, but I am highly doubtful that she would fake the rejection. Is there any actual reason people have given for thinking it’s fake, or is it just the general disbelief of any occurrence of racist/discriminatory events that’s so common these days. Rumours are mostly flying about on Welsh language twitter, so not a disbelief of the xenophobic generalisations about the Welsh language, just seeking to fact check. There are a few theories... I'm actually hoping it's a fake. I've had enough of the kind of attitude that discriminates so openly about minority languages within Britain (as seen above by Yants )

Morfil · 22/03/2022 19:18

Rumours are mostly flying about on Welsh language twitter, so not a disbelief of the xenophobic generalisations about the Welsh language, just seeking to fact check. There are a few theories... I'm actually hoping it's a fake. I've had enough of the kind of attitude that discriminates so openly about minority languages within Britain
I hope it’s true, because you can guarantee this discrimination happens regularly, it’s just that most employers wouldn’t be stupid enough to put the reason in writing. It’d be good to shine a light on the issue.

whynotwhatknot · 22/03/2022 19:20

They cant say that surely

ive never heard a welsh accent i couldnt understand

MigsandTiggs · 22/03/2022 19:41

Even though she was obviously speaking carefully, there were a couple of words I had to guess. Then again, I'm the person who told an Irish person that she had a very unusual name after she had introduced herself and I tried, unsuccessfully, to repeat what she had said. A friend took me aside and explained that she had said her name was "Jane". Didn't sound like that to me, I thought it sounded like "join"! Blush
I also had trouble understanding the "Glasgow whisperer", at the desk next to mine....then I found out that several Aberdonian colleagues couldn't understand him either.Grin

Fairislefandango · 22/03/2022 19:44

Huh? She speaks perfectly clearly and with a pretty subtle Welsh accent. Sounds as if there's a lot more to this than her accent tbh.

MrsTerryPratchett · 22/03/2022 19:45

I've worked in a call centre where I used to get passed the calls from people accents no one could understand. I've lived all over and have Scottish, Welsh, Irish, and loads of other ascents in my family.

Her call would 100% not have been passed to me. It's bloody close to RP and very clear.

Now, I have had conversations with people from NI, Scotland and the NW which southerners did struggle with. But not her!

Frazzled2207 · 22/03/2022 19:48

I’m shocked that the company was stupid enough to put this in an email
I mean not employing someone because of their accent is awful but you wouldn’t admit this in writing

I really hope whoever it is is named and shamed. I have a (strong?) Welsh accent and it’s never ever even occured to me that this could be an issue

Yants · 22/03/2022 19:50

Typical hysterical over reaction to my post which even got deleted.
Firstly I said only SOME Northern Welsh people had the impenetrable accent I described, in fact I wouldn't even describe it as an accent, more a particular style of speaking.
The style of speaking I was referring to could be just as impenetrable whether they're speaking Welsh or English.
Secondly how do those accusing me of being a xenophobe know I'm not Welsh myself?

BookkeeperBobby · 22/03/2022 19:50

This is silly and so are a lot of the responses on this thread. Everybody has an accent. A particular accent may require you personally to listen more intently but there is no such thing as an intrinsically "difficult" accent. How the frig do you think people in Glasgow communicate with each other, if their accent is so "difficult"? Carrier pigeon?

MrsTerryPratchett · 22/03/2022 19:51

Secondly how do those accusing me of being a xenophobe know I'm not Welsh myself?

Are you? I'll put a tenner on no.

Incompetentatwork · 22/03/2022 19:52

Understanding accents relies on the listener as much as the speaker. I struggle with the geordie and certain scottish accents. Wouldn't be too bad but my mum is a geordie and her family is scottish.
I've been turned down for a role because of my "broad" Yorkshire accent. I left Yorkshire when i was 10. I've lived in the west for nearly triple that amount of time. I don't think i have a particularly strong accent but to others i do 🤷‍♀️

DecemberGal · 22/03/2022 19:56

Although retired now I often wonder if my Scottish accent made a difference in interviews. I have lived in England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 near a large city for over 45 years. I suppose there will always be some bias.Hope the lady gets something suitable.

TrashyPanda · 22/03/2022 19:58

Interesting survey by Gala Bingo (who have branches all over the country) on accents

www.womanandhome.com/life/news-entertainment/uk-most-attractive-accent-favourite-324865/

Welsh accents are second top.

Auvergnewater · 22/03/2022 19:58

I don’t think this has anything to do with her accent. She’s got a lovely speaking voice.

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