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AIBU?

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58 replies

HappyMummy567 · 19/03/2022 19:06

Ladies, I’m in a bit of a pickle and I don’t really know what I should do (if I’m not being unreasonable that is).

Today I was sent to A&E for chest pain to be check for pulmonary embolism after an operation under general on Wednesday. Was told I need an ECG and blood test. Was called for ECG and bloods into a small Consultation room (think one desk, one chair & one bed) and got on the bed for an ECG, consultation room door stayed wide open and I could hear all noise from A&E waiting room just outside. Nurse had to remove my shirt and bra but only half closed the curtain, I was ill and felt vulnerable but just let her get on with it, then someone strolled into the room, thankfully just another nurse and she left again. After ECG I got dressed, and sat on chair next to (less than 2m) from the bed for the nurse to take bloods.
Another nurse then came in with ANOTHER PATIENT to ‘fit his cannula’ whilst my nurse was trying to find my vein. The other patient was a prison inmate with two police officers guarding him (not chained if that makes any difference), one of them standing behind my nurse near the bed I had just vacated and the other blocking the door way. Essentially trapping me in the room with a prisoner who, for all I know, could be serving time for anything from shop lifting, identity fraud to rape & murder.

Whilst in the room I mentioned that it was the strangest situation I’d ever been in but I was ignored, my nurse was asking me personal info about if I was on blood thinners and my chest pains etc, and then told me to wait back outside in the waiting room for my results. As I went to leave she said ‘What is your name & date of birth?’ I looked at the policeman in the doorway and he said ‘She needs your name and date of birth’ which I then felt I had no choice but to give to my nurse, and subsequently: the prison inmate (announced as such by one of the policemen when he was checked into reception) his two police guards and the nurse putting a cannula in his arm.
I left the room, went into the toilets, sobbed and messaged my husband. He told me to complain to someone but there wasn’t anyone to talk to who wasn’t in earshot of the inmate & his guards who were now back in the waiting room and I was scared (maybe unreasonably so) that something would kick off.
I told hubby to come and get me and I left without my results. I phone the hospital after I left as a courtesy explaining I had left and the reason behind it so as to not waste anyones time. They just said ‘oh, well I can’t give results out over the phone’ (I didn’t ask for them).

So, I’m right IN the situation and was scared by the position the hospital put me in and lost my trust in them so everything feels a million times worse and nothing actually happened physically to me but surely that can’t be right?

Regardless of him being a prisoner firstly, you don’t share small consultation rooms do you? It was like going to the Drs and then another doctor walks in with another patient and just starts treating them next to you.
Secondly, I dont know what the guy with a slash on his face is in prison for, how do I know if he’s a risk to me? So to put both of us in a room with free access to the sharp needles hanging out both of our arms shows no duty of care surely?
Thirdly, that guy and the police officers have my personal information now when the hospital has a obligation to keep health data secure.

I hate complaining and I have nothing but praise for the NHS but the wait times were 2hrs 50mins no where near the 4hr limit so I can’t understand why we both had to be treated at the exact same time in the same room. Regardless of what pressure the NHS is under surely members of the public have the right to confidentiality. My husband wasn’t allowed in the waiting room but apparently it’s ok for 4 other people to attend my consultation without my consent?

Any ideas if this is standard practice in all NHS hospitals? As in, am I over reacting to something that is fairly standard proceedure?

Sorry for the long rant and thank you if you made it this far xx

OP posts:
WhatHaveYouBecome · 19/03/2022 19:11

Hi OP.
Firstly, I am sorry you had an unpleasant experience when you felt unwell. You are correct that you shouldn't be sharing a consultation with another patient. The fact that he was a prisoner is irrelevant- his crime wasn't your business. It does mean that there were an extra 3 people in the room which isn't appropriate.
I would contact PALS but would keep the fact about him being a prisoner out of it as its not the point.

Unsureaboutit9 · 19/03/2022 19:15

I think you should go back to a&e and take your husband with you so he can speak up for you and hopefully make you feel safer, as personally I’d have spoken up for myself at every stage there ‘close the door’ ‘I’m not giving my details our publicly’, and if you don’t feel able to that’s fine, but I’d get your husband to insist he needs to stay with you to help out, especially if it’s suspected you could have a serious medical problem. You deserve to feel comfortable and safe while seeking medical treatment OP.

I don’t agree with your extreme judgement of the prisoner, if he’d have been dangerous he’d have been treated differently, it doesn’t sound as though you were in any danger at all.

PALS is the best place to start if you want to complain, but really seeking medical attention is your only priority here for now, is there a different a&e you can attend?

betwixtlives · 19/03/2022 19:15

yabu. There was zero risk of him harming you if he was under police guard. not sure why being in the same room is a problem

catfunk · 19/03/2022 19:21

Would have had an issue if it was a jolly old lady or parent and child?

Shitfuckcommaetc · 19/03/2022 19:23

I understand you felt uncomfortable, as I'd your right. They shouldn't really have so many people in a small room regardless.

But YABU for leaving. You either need to be there or you don't!!

LizDoingTheCanCan · 19/03/2022 19:24

It's not ideal to have more than one patient in the same area, but A&E facilities are extremely stretched, so not unexpected. Obviously that would be very different for intimate procedures where privacy would be a given.

The prisoner has two officers with him. There's no reason at all why he would harm you. People rarely assault random strangers.

When you're feeling unwell you are going to feel vulnerable. But you are unreasonable in this situation. Please go back so they can check your test results. Your husband can sit in the car so he's nearby as soon as you are done.

HappyMummy567 · 19/03/2022 19:29

Interesting replies, thank you but doesn’t the prisoner have right to confidentiality too? Maybe he doesn’t want his health data bounded around the hospital - maybe he’s more at risk of me knowing his identity and location than I am of him?

OP posts:
WelshyMaud · 19/03/2022 19:35

if he’d have been dangerous he’d have been treated differently, it doesn’t sound as though you were in any danger at all

Nope.

A friend of mine is a taxi driver and has a contract with the local prison. He collects inmates with guards and takes them usually to a hospital or funeral. He's had several talkative customers with no issues talking about their crimes and he's heared everything up to attempted murder and armed robbery. When they're dropped off at the hospital they stroll into the main entrance with everyone else, just flanked by one or two guards. And they're not always cuffed either.

It's definitely not correct to assume any inmate you see in this situation has been in for fraud or only something minimal/non violent.

kitcat15 · 19/03/2022 19:36

Its quire common...phlebotomy is always 2 or 3 to a room...pre op assessment is even busier...and if you were on the chemo unit getting treatment then likely to be around 20 in the room where we are...you discuss your bowel movements..the works....it is what it is...the fact he's a prisoner is irrelevant...there will have been a risk assessment in place so very unlikely he would have been any risk to you

SickAndTiredAgain · 19/03/2022 19:37

I think YABU in your assumption that you were in danger from the prisoner.
And I think you should have stayed for your results.

However, I don’t think you’re unreasonable to expect privacy.

WelshyMaud · 19/03/2022 19:38

The prisoner has two officers with him. There's no reason at all why he would harm you. People rarely assault random strangers

Not people, no. Ramoms off the street.

When you're selecting from a pool of prison inmates though I'd hazard a guess that the risk would be quite a bit higher!

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 19/03/2022 19:43

In my experience the only way to address things happening in the NHS that you don't like is to do it right then and there and very loudly. They close ranks and getting anywhere with complaints is virtually impossible.

Iggly · 19/03/2022 19:45

YANBU

Being in hospital, especially going in via A&E is very traumatic and you can feel quite vulnerable.

I would absolutely complain.

Whatwillbewilbe · 19/03/2022 19:46

You were very silly to leave before getting your results as you are possibly in a life threatening situation if you do have a pulmonary embolism. You need to go back to see if you need urgent medical attention.

Unsureaboutit9 · 19/03/2022 19:47

@WelshyMaud

if he’d have been dangerous he’d have been treated differently, it doesn’t sound as though you were in any danger at all

Nope.

A friend of mine is a taxi driver and has a contract with the local prison. He collects inmates with guards and takes them usually to a hospital or funeral. He's had several talkative customers with no issues talking about their crimes and he's heared everything up to attempted murder and armed robbery. When they're dropped off at the hospital they stroll into the main entrance with everyone else, just flanked by one or two guards. And they're not always cuffed either.

It's definitely not correct to assume any inmate you see in this situation has been in for fraud or only something minimal/non violent.

Yeah but the OP thought he may lunge at her with sharps through 2 officers and a nurse whilst ill himself, for absolutely no reason whatsoever. That sort of prisoner wouldn’t be shoved in that environment, regardless of what your driver friend says. Not everyone who has committed violent crimes is that dangerous in every situation, you’d have to be severally mentally ill/totally unhinged to behave like that.
Iamkmackered1979 · 19/03/2022 19:48

That is really awful and a breech of confidentiality and trust and I totally understand why you felt vulnerable. Complain!!
I’d call your gp on Monday to explain why you left and ask for any results. They’d call you if you needed to go back I’m sure.

Your cannulas however have nothing sharp in them it’s just a tiny straw in your vein sharps are removed on insertion, so shouldn’t be wny danger but also 2 guards I’d be worrying too, it’s not on at all!! Hope you’re ok op. Take it easy and take care Flowers

PinkDaffodil2 · 19/03/2022 19:53

At our GP practice the health care assistants doing phlebotomy / blood pressure checks / wound care work 3 in a room with the flimsiest of curtains, this is the same if they’re on their own or have someone accompanying them (guards, family, nursing home staff etc). I think it’s fine to say you only want to give your details, be seen in a private place but YABU if you didn’t tell this to staff who will be doing there best to see people in a timely manner.
The 4 hour wait isn’t to be seen but is to being discharged / referred on and clinically if they thought you might have a PE I expect they wanted to assess you as soon as they had the available staff - rather than waiting until a private room was available.
Please do get back to ED maybe with your husband to advocate for you?
You can always speak with PALS later once you have been investigated and hopefully nothing concerning will be found - but please don’t risk your health in the meantime.

Hellorhighwater · 19/03/2022 19:54

YANBU. You are entitled to keep your medical information confidential, and to your dignity. And so is he. Feed it back to them.

bigbluebus · 19/03/2022 19:55

There's no such thing as patient confidentiality when you're having to give your details in a hospital. Very rarely are you in a room with a door shut. Most of the time there is nothing more than a curtain pulled between 2 patients which doesn't stop anyone hearing anything.

mistermagpie · 19/03/2022 19:55

I wouldn't have liked it at all OP, but I do think it's more normal than you think.

I was on a two person ward when I was pregnant, the other woman was in a complicated situation in that her baby's father was in prison but (no idea if this is normal) he was being allowed out to attend the birth. She was trying to organise this and had social workers coming to speak to her etc as well. I heard this poor woman's whole life story because, as is the norm in these films, there was just a curtain between us.

I've always been shocked that the Drs seem to treat these curtains as if they are an actual wall when really the whole ward can probably hear every word being said. Same happened when I gave birth to my second child, there was social work involvement with the woman next door and I heard all sorts of her personal information.

I guess in hospital you just aren't really afforded the assumption of confidentiality, even in a small room.

The fact that he was a prisoner was a bit irrelevant to be honest - even if he was a murderer you weren't at risk. But still I do get why you felt uncomfortable. You should have said so at the time though and they may have been able to help.

mistermagpie · 19/03/2022 19:56

*rooms not films!

kitcat15 · 19/03/2022 20:07

@Hellorhighwater

YANBU. You are entitled to keep your medical information confidential, and to your dignity. And so is he. Feed it back to them.
It won't change a thing...there's no way the NHS can have private rooms for every treatment ....just will never happen
20viona · 19/03/2022 20:09

Yes this was all ok until the prisoner situation. I'd be fuming too and I'd say something.

Baggiepussy · 19/03/2022 20:14

Was the prisoner chained to his guards? We have prisoners in all the time for nhs treatment and there always chained and handcuffed to guard.

WeddingHangover · 19/03/2022 20:18

Complain to your MP that the NHS is underfunded.