to be concerned about Ukranian refugees entering the country in large numbers?

[MaMaLa321]

I think that we have done the right thing, as a country, to allow Ukranian refugees to enter the UK. But does anyone else have concerns about how this will pan out?
For a start, we've spent 2 years in Lockdown, but the vaccination rate for Ukranians (for double vaccination) is only 34%.
What's the effect on our Social Services going to be?
FWIW, we have applied to house a refugee. It's just that I'm worried about the knock-on effects.
Also, will many Ukranians want to come here?

@Milomonster

I think it’s a great thing. This country has never functioned with migrants and never will. Companies are offering jobs to them to fill the 10s of thousands of vacancies that Brits are too lazy/proud to do. Who cleans your streets and offices? Who picks fruit? They aren’t here to sponge off the system, and will want to lead a dignified life by working, I imagine.

Fucking hell. This is what I meant, they are fleeing war not economic migrants wanting to do the shit jobs the British won't. I find this post more racist than those with concerns.

I despair. Are all British mothers working part-time or term-time only? Or are in receipt of benefits

Are British mothers leaving their support networks, friends, families and bringing a bag of belongings? Are British mothers worrying about their fathers sons and husbands conscripted (albeit mainly willingly) into a war, are British mothers trying to explain to their small children why all the above has happened, or try and explain the horrors they have seen?

[quote User57327259]**@forinborin* and @ClaudineClare* I don't think it is wise to give out the location in which I worked but it is mostly definitely true.
I would give MNHQ the location and they could check it out and verify what is going on[/quote]
I am right aren't I? I know the area you mean. Typical British police. They won’t go near the are due to fears of racism. The worst thing is that it other Eastern Europeans who are suffering due to them bastards. They also won’t go near a traveller site as well- the same things go on there.

I would imagine many Ukrainian refugees will want to return home as soon as possible. 3 short weeks ago they were happily living their lives in their own country, they are not fleeing long term war, poverty or famine.

@AnIconOfImperfections

Have you really honestly and truly applied to house displaced refugees?

Hmmmmm I don’t think so….

[quote User57327259]**@forinborin* and @ClaudineClare* I don't think it is wise to give out the location in which I worked but it is mostly definitely true.
I would give MNHQ the location and they could check it out and verify what is going on[/quote]
You know, I had a feeling you would say something like that. Why on earth would you not be able to name the location on here? It is not MNHQ to check out the veracity of your assertion.

Maybe you mean Kensington, where lots of oligarchs have property.

This is the problem with the UK government passing the burden of responsibility (yet again) to the public when they should be dealing with this themselves. However, this allows them to state that they can only offer spaces based on generosity of members of the public so our ability to take people caps numbers, their overall costs and reduces their responsibility and accountability.

People apply for these things without thinking through the long term consequences, complications and possibly doing it because they make snap decisions or think it makes them look good, rather than doing it because they really want to. These are people who are fleeing their homes and families, they don't need sponsors here judging their actions or vaccination rates.

So yes you are being incredibly unreasonable and I think you should withdraw from the application.

[quote BattenbergdowntheHatches]@Dmsandfloatydress I’m not in the SE or London.

I can’t get a GP appointment. I’ve just waited 3 weeks to get a phone appointment with the PN. I am supposedly on a priority list for suspicious symptoms because of a genetic condition that causes cancer.

Last 3 NHS encounters (one for my son) involved having to involve PALS/complain very loudly just to be given an appointment that had already been promised by a consultant.

Can’t get any specialist help for my child who has been deemed unsuitable for mainstream education. (All local schools are full anyway).

It’s possible to point this out, hope for improvements (but feel cynical about the government) and still want to help those in need.[/quote]
This isn't the fault of refugees, we could have good public services if we had a government who were not ideologically opposed to them.

It will be fine.

As an aside, only about half of lone parents work full time on average. The number and age of the children has an impact obviously - so a lone parent with several young children is much less likely to work full time, than one with 1 16-18 year old. (30-66% as age rises)

I was at school with many girls whose families had had to leave Uganda thanks to Idi Amin. A lot of their parents (usually fathers) had been doctors/shop owners/lawyers etc and over here took any job going, due to the usual issues around finances and sadly racism. They were glad to be safe of course, but it is hardly an ideal that people would seek out voluntarily.

We have a weird attitude to refugees and should really try to imagine how we would feel in their position instead of expecting automatic gratitude for the (not clear) amount of support they will get from us. Ukrainian doctor or Somali farm worker, they are people displaced from their homes and that is an awful thing.

People offering to host are offering for up to three years. The 350 is for the first year, these families will have no money to feed themselves and benefits will take months to come through many will have no English.

Covid is the least of the issues to be fair. But is indeed one. As is pressure on the infrastructure,,schools, doctors, hospitals etc.

@Onionpatch

It will be fine.

As an aside, only about half of lone parents work full time on average. The number and age of the children has an impact obviously - so a lone parent with several young children is much less likely to work full time, than one with 1 16-18 year old. (30-66% as age rises)

I think in the UK it is largely due to the social structure / tradition. I don't know a single lone mother in Ukraine who doesn't work. And why do you think that women who come here will be lone parents?

Of course we have done the right thing - my only concerns lie knowing the selfishness of some and the conern this generates for society.

@BattenbergdowntheHatches

It really maddens me that when people describe the country in a state and public services on their knees the first thing they think about is how refugees running from war would make it worse, not how to hold those responsible to account or actually focusing on making those services better so that we as a rich country can behave in a decent, humanistic way rather than jealously guarding our resources that are only limited because we keep them that way.

Magical thinking I’m afraid. Most of us want to behave altruistically but when our own families are suffering as a result of the parlors state of services, it’s hard to give an un-caveated welcome.

FWIW our tax bill is comfortably 6 figures and I’m fine with that. I’m still treated like a supplicant when seeking the most basic of care or services. Private care cannot always be bought because of our regressive (and factually wrong) “NHS will provide” mentality.

Not magical thinking. Distribution of funds. Services are in a state because this government allows shareholders to amass vast personal wealth at the expense of basic public services. The money is there it is just criminally misdirected.

It is a result of a hideously skewed take on the theory of personal responsibility that ordinary conservatives argue, taken to obscene extremes by the self-interested short termists who are currently our government.

It's pretty doubtful that those able bodied and savvy enough to make the journey will be reliant on social care...... The ones we're seeing making the escape will already be in a good position. It's the ones left behind im worried about.

People who abuse women and kids dont switch off because there's a war going on. If anything they ramp it up..... I really hope the vulnerable in the Ukraine are ok or at least being supported.

@Milomonster

I think it’s a great thing. This country has never functioned with migrants and never will. Companies are offering jobs to them to fill the 10s of thousands of vacancies that Brits are too lazy/proud to do. Who cleans your streets and offices? Who picks fruit? They aren’t here to sponge off the system, and will want to lead a dignified life by working, I imagine.

Where does this view come from?

They will have the right to do any job or career not just cleaning / fruit picking or part time as put by pp

YABU. I’m amazed that anyone cares about anyone’s vaccination status any more. I’m not sure I know any fully vaccinated people who haven’t caught and spread covid.

I am actually far more concerned about how the people offering to take in refugees are going to be vetted.

I suspect a large portion will end up saying they can't do it anymore, leaving these refugees having to find a home yet again. Also, some of these refugees will be exploited and abused.

I genuinely think so many people are over estimating their capabilities in trying to support people fleeing war.

And I think a portion of these people will have less than honourable intentions.