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To ask what made Jeremy Kyle qualified…

369 replies

ClandestineAdulation · 13/03/2022 21:09

… to host a talk show, give ‘advice’ and judge people the way he did?

The Channel 4 programme about the show is on and it’s just made me think about it all again!

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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 14/03/2022 01:40

I like a lot of trashy TV, but JK always made me feel so physically dirty if ever I saw a minute or two of it.

It might have started with the noblest of virtues in the beginning (no idea: I never saw it in its very early days), but it quickly followed the same ante-upping as Big Brother and various others. They start off with ordinary people, then go for highly-strung ordinary people, then eccentrics, then absolute weirdos and finally, people who are truly broken.

I think a lot of the people on it had a good idea that it was 'confrontational', and knew that they would need to play the game, but underestimated their power to avoid being swept into the machine. Many probably did think that it was just them, JK and Graham, and had no concept of the massive production team actively looking to exploit them in any way possible.

As has been said, many of the people seemed to have learning difficulties - whether diagnosed or not - and without funds, for most of them, it was their only way of getting a DNA test or polygraph test. Where MC people on MN will advise to 'get a shit-hot lawyer', the underclass (and I don't mean that in an unkind way) went on JK, as they saw no other option open to them.

As I say, I do like a lot of rubbishy telly, and I hold my hands up to say that I really loved the Kilroy show. Nothing wrong with confrontation among people with equal power, ability (and opportunity) to put their case - maybe make themselves look a bit foolish; but when you've been deliberately sought out for your lack of any of various privileges, goaded and thrown into the bear pit in front of a savvy team whose job is to destroy you for ratings, that's just putrid.

EeeICouldRipATissue · 14/03/2022 01:41

Springer wasn't nasty to guests and didn't shout in their faces and tell them they are a disgrace.

Yes, remember the Springer Show too and I can't remember it doing that to the same level, it was different

alltheapples · 14/03/2022 01:42

I remember seeing a young woman on with a clearly abusive male partner. JK asked if everything she said was true, who didn't she just leave. She said she was afraid to as shé was frightened about what he might do. And JK laughed at her, mocked her.

EeeICouldRipATissue · 14/03/2022 01:50

it quickly followed the same ante-upping as Big Brother and various others. They start off with ordinary people, then go for highly-strung ordinary people, then eccentrics, then absolute weirdos and finally, people who are truly broken
I know what you mean - I used to love Big Brother.
When it first started, that is.
The first few years when it was genuinely just like a social experiment (think it started around 2000?)
Brand new concept.
Nothing really like it before, and I enjoyed as a people watcher Smile
Then ditched and couldn't watch after several series as it ceased being about that.
Was more about who could be the most controversial, all just farmed for click watches.
Seems JK was the same going by responses (never watched it that far back)

1forAll74 · 14/03/2022 03:21

I think it was a fake performance that he put on for his so called shows, as He and the Tv company knew that people in the audiences and at homes, always like to tune in to this kind of stuff, where the guests are likely to be shouting an arguing, and sometimes fighting about their rubbishy home and personal circumstances. Its a bit like a pantomine performance on stage.

EeeICouldRipATissue · 14/03/2022 03:33

Its a bit like a pantomine performance on stage
It messed with real life people and emotions though.
A pantomine performance on stage, that's a staged play.
This though not so much.
They exploited people and took advantage of them.

Justilou1 · 14/03/2022 03:38

What made him qualified?
Money and willing participants.

TigerLilyTail · 14/03/2022 05:04

Mick Philpott appeared on Jeremy Kyle a few years before he killed his kids bragging about his two wives and how much he was raking in from benefits. This was despite him having a conviction from stabbing his Ex-girlfriend 27 times. Many say that his appearance embolden him and made him think he was a big celebrity.

PutinSmellsPassItOn · 14/03/2022 05:14

Jeremy Kyle was a radio host who did a show called Jezzas confessions and he was bloody fantastic. I used to wait up for it every night. He should have stuck to what he was good at instead of selling his soul

user43786 · 14/03/2022 05:35

I know someone who appeared on the show and he'll tell you it saved his life. He was a drug addict and on a long waiting list for rehab and the show paid for private rehab after his appearance.

Interestingly he was very vocal on Facebook last night about the documentary and spoke about the show with nothing but praise.

He's been clean for many years and holds down a good job and is married with children so in his case they literally did save his life.

Seems fair to get views from both sides on this and I trust someone like him rather than a source the media use.

Peasock · 14/03/2022 05:50

@user43786

I know someone who appeared on the show and he'll tell you it saved his life. He was a drug addict and on a long waiting list for rehab and the show paid for private rehab after his appearance.

Interestingly he was very vocal on Facebook last night about the documentary and spoke about the show with nothing but praise.

He's been clean for many years and holds down a good job and is married with children so in his case they literally did save his life.

Seems fair to get views from both sides on this and I trust someone like him rather than a source the media use.

Ah yes bribe drug addicts desperate for a place in rehab into going on the show, sounds brilliant. Surely rather than the show being decent, it's sad that provision is so bad that people are waiting months.

I think the show got worse as they realised what the audience wanted, which is a sad indictment of society

Yep. It wasn't just him though, everyone involved in the production and ITV were also complicit.

HeartsAndClubs · 14/03/2022 05:56

At the end of the day though people wanted to watch it.

If people had hated the format they wouldn’t have watched, in their millions. And the truth is that this is what people go for, and the nastier the better. Kind of like a love to hate thing.

It all started with Big Brother. Jade Goodie acquired tv fame for being a racist, Katie Hopkins was the same on the apprentice. I’m a celebrity is full of people who have appeared on these types of shows and are now branded as celebs. It’s only natural that some people would want to chase the same kind of status on shows like Jeremy Kyle.

And at the end of the day, if people didn’t watch it, then it wouldn’t have aired. But they did. In the same way the Daily Mail is the most widely read paper in the country, and man people fane hate for it by saying things like “apologies for the daily mail link,” when actually those same people are clearly reading it otherwise they wouldn’t know that whatever they were posting from it was there. So to an extent I agree with a previous poster that there is a lot of hypocrisy surrounding these kinds of shows.

And it’s highly unlikely this documentary was unbiased, because there will undoubtedly be people who went on there who feel they were helped, but the documentary isn’t about the JK show as a whole, it’s about making it out to be the worst of the worst, which IMO it was, but not everyone who went on there will have thought so. These documentaries are also intended to distance certain tv outlets from this kind of programming. JK added a lot to the already bleak reputation of reality tv, it’s natural that others will be wanting to be seen to be distanced from that.

It’s worth remembering that Big brother started on Channel4, so they’re hardly paragons of virtue on that score.

PlumpAndDeliciousFatcat · 14/03/2022 06:18

Channel 4 have had more than their fair share of exploitative poverty porn content. Remember Benefits Street?

JK was awful but not uniquely so. Trisha seems to have escaped largely unscathed but her show was very much the forerunner in terms of the JK Show’s strategies - the lure of a free hotel with free booze and promised access to paternity testing, lie detectors, rehab etc.

Ylvamoon · 14/03/2022 06:27

I have watched the documentary, sadly, everything they "exposed" was already known to me simply by watching a few episodes of JK.
I always saw it as an exploitative, manipulative show preying on vulnerable people.
ITV needs to take full responsibility, they employed JK & Team amd let it all happen.

WouldIwasShookspeared · 14/03/2022 06:29

Nothing made him qualified.
Well, unless we're counting his personal life. Affairs, gambling debts and didn't he have a child he had nothing to do with? I vaguely remember reading an ex of his claiming that.

Imo the fault lies with the people who enjoy watching things like that. It wouldn't have lasted two episodes if everyone had turned off their TV.

But no. People enjoy other people's drama and awful situations. Misery porn. It's why soap operas are so popular. It's why you get people demanding updates on dramatic threads on here. It's just easier to blame the show than to blame the viewers thirst for it.

Discodancinggiraffe · 14/03/2022 06:32

I know a man that was on the show. He was hoping to reunite with his birth sister. He's got learning difficulties and easy to take advantage of. They arranged a taxi to pick him up and drive him hundreds of miles through the night. He did have a hotel room arranged for him but due to the travel he had to go straight to the show. He had no sleep, was not able to wash or get changed. When he finally met his sister he was tired and smelly. I asked if he got photos but he said they locked his phone away so was only able to write her number on a bit of paper. They did not have time to talk. Straight after the show he was put back in a taxi. His episode wasn't aired in the end because of something that happened with one of the other guests. If thats how they treated someone for a happy family reunion story. I can imagine how they treated people who were going to discuss more volatile situations. Getting them wound up and ready to explode before the show.

hamstersarse · 14/03/2022 06:33

I don’t understand the criticism about making drug addicts believe they don’t have a place at rehab when they do. Anyone who has tried to get an addict to rehab knows they have to actually want it, otherwise it’s a waste of time. It’s probably quite a good tactic.

Also, lots of reference to ‘vulnerable’ people on here. What does that mean? It isn’t always the right way to ‘be kind’, sometimes people do need a shock to the system / huge truth bombs to make any changes to their lives. I’m not defending JK show as such but the reality is that ‘niceness’ isn’t always productive, and whatever you say about JK he did at least have some clear values to espouse. The whole issue is that people are expecting gigantic complicated issues to get solved in a 20 minute segment. That’s impossible for any method or person.

I volunteer at a homeless charity and I can say with absolute certainty that the people who work there full time are as ‘bad’ to the homeless people as JK is. They know they get lied to, bullshitted to, stolen from and they don’t stand for it. There is a certain naivety that exists when you haven’t dealt with ‘vulnerable’ people before, you want to see the best in them but over time you lose patience, I think that also happened to the JK show - him and all the team

mummabubs · 14/03/2022 06:40

@FoxyFoxyLoxy

The "Graham" person who used to be the "expert" is, according to his Insta profile, a Consultant Psychotherapist.

That to me says that he is trying to portray himself as a medical doctor, who has progressed through the foundation and registrar stages to Consultant. But that's not what it means at all, is it? It really means that he is consulting in the loosest terms, in the way I could be a Consultant Knitter or a Consultant Chocolate-Eater.

I think that bio is intending to deceive.

Yup, consultant psychotherapist isn't a protected term, literally anyone can call themselves one sadly. 😣 I suspect it's been chosen deliberately to mirror "Consultant Clinical Psychologist", which is a role that involves what you describe FoxyFoxyLoxy of having years of previous relevant experience. But for what it's worth I'd love to be a consultant chocolate-eater.
megletthesecond · 14/03/2022 06:45

Money.

Unpopular37 · 14/03/2022 06:49

No different to Ophrah, Gerry Springer, Dr Phil etc..
However, there will always be those who will do anything to get their face on tv, and not all require 'goading' by production staff

Ylvamoon · 14/03/2022 06:55

@hamstersarse

A VANRUBLE PERSON: exposed to the possibility of being attacked or harmed, either physically or emotionally
A person in need of special care, support, or protection because of age, disability, or risk of abuse or neglect

Many of their guests did fall in the above category.

Just accepting a note that the candidate didn't pick up the anti depressin drugs as proof that they are "fine, fit & healthy" isn't enough.

mummabubs · 14/03/2022 06:55

@hamsterarse
Lying in general, not great. Their goal wasn't to see who was motivated to get rehab, it was jusy to get them to appear on the show, also not great. Then imagine the distress that they or their family members might feel that if they didn't "perform" well enough for dear old Jezza then they might not get the help that they were in need of, and was their only reason for going on the show to begin with. It's unethical and disgusting behaviour. If the NHS were ever to do the same in order to priorotise access to services there'd rightly be an uproar. Can you imagine: "You're on the waiting list for heart surgery, there's only one slot available and four other families want it, now you show us why you deserve it most and we'll televise it to the nation".

mummabubs · 14/03/2022 06:59

For what it's worth I've also worked with vulnerable people for years and can never remotely imagine speaking to anyone (nevermind the people I work with) the way Jeremy did. I can understand why people might lose compassion over time, but while that explains behaviour like that on the JK show it doesn't excuse it.

saleorbouy · 14/03/2022 07:05

It was known as "The Jeremy Vile show" in our house.
I think the guests knew what they were going onto when they signed up, most wanted their 5min of fame, it did become truly ridiculous.

FuckThatBullshit · 14/03/2022 07:08

I remember once watching a video on Facebook that had gone viral of a man looking for a daughter he didn't know he had. He had been contacted by someone on the JK show about it, saying a young girl had approached them trying to trace him and would he appear on the show? He refused to appear "because I've got a job and all my own teeth" but he asked the staff member to pass on the girl's details... they refused. He put out a few flags on Facebook, eventually it got to the girl and there was a lovely picture of them both meeting up. I believe his final comment was something about thanking Facebook and hoping to prove he could find his daughter "without the help of Jeremy Fucking Nobhead Kyle" 🤣

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