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thread for those interested in refugee hosting/sponsorship

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EezyOozy · 13/03/2022 07:37

I thought I would start a new thread about this as I have just heard on BBC news that they are opening up a web form tomorrow to express interest. Apparently families/households can claim £350 a month (I assume for increased expenses) and refugees will be eligible to claim or benefits and work. We have large a spare room but live rurally so whilst I will express interest I'm not sure we will be taken up on it.

I thought I would start a new thread for those who are interested and to follow the progress of the registration procedure/how this pans out in practice.

Posted here because it's the only place I know gets plenty traffic, I will probably be asking for this to be moved but don't know where to.

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drspouse · 17/03/2022 14:27

If they’ve got any sense they’ll use that money to make separate arrangements for them.
Apartheid in UK schools. Ok, I guess we know it happens for children with SEN but for refugee children? I never thought anyone would suggest this in the UK.

Blossomtoes · 17/03/2022 15:04

@drspouse

If they’ve got any sense they’ll use that money to make separate arrangements for them. Apartheid in UK schools. Ok, I guess we know it happens for children with SEN but for refugee children? I never thought anyone would suggest this in the UK.
It’s hardly apartheid to suggest that a group of non English speaking, quite possibly traumatised, children could have their educational needs met appropriately. Do you think grammar schools and private schools represent apartheid?
OnceuponaRainbow18 · 17/03/2022 15:19

@drspouse

Have you taught in a U.K school Recently? It’s incredibly tough, adding students who probably don’t speak any English, experiencing grief/trauma and then making the classes bigger as a previous PP suggested will not be beneficial to anyone.

drspouse · 17/03/2022 15:45

[quote OnceuponaRainbow18]@drspouse

Have you taught in a U.K school Recently? It’s incredibly tough, adding students who probably don’t speak any English, experiencing grief/trauma and then making the classes bigger as a previous PP suggested will not be beneficial to anyone.[/quote]
Have you?
If so you'd know that many schools have had Syrian refugees, and others, including children who have never been to school and know no English. It has been the best thing for everyone. My DD has had a few in her class that are new to the UK, she's in Y3.
If you are a teacher advocating setting up separate "schools" for refugee children, I just hope you never teach my DCs.
I don't agree with separating children out on any characteristic.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 17/03/2022 15:49

@drspouse

Yes I teach in a secondary and work with the most vulnerable in the school, including 4 students who are refugees. I know we can’t cope with any more, we are already under funded, under staffed.

Don you think it would be good for those who don’t speak a work of English who are traumatised to be put in a class of 32 teens doing their GCSEs and left to try and cope whilst the teacher is trying to use Google translate into 4 languages?

We need to help those fleeing war, but trust me shoving their kids in a secondary school isn’t the answer

gingerhills · 17/03/2022 16:03

I asked DH fully expecting him to say, 'Ooh no because...' as he hates change and hates house guests. But he just said: 'Yes, I thought we should too.' So I filled out the form.

CatAndHisKit · 17/03/2022 18:52

Is anyone looking to host an older single woman (70s) wo does speak some English and has family here but no accomodation available for her with family for about 3 months?

Family would be happy to pay low rent equivalent to govt grant or a bot higher if a separate studio / annexe / holiday home, but she wouldnt need it for 6 months as the sceme stipulates.

Location ideally East Midlands / Sgeffiled / London.

CatAndHisKit · 17/03/2022 18:53

Sheffield - sorry for all typos. Needs to be on a train line, meant to add.

user468375484 · 17/03/2022 21:06

In Gwynedd (NW Wales) all the primary schools are Welsh medium and all the secondary schools are bilingual.

For pupils moving to the area - invariably without a word of Welsh - they have language centres where the children go for a term to intensively learn Welsh, before joining a normal primary / secondary school.

If something like that could be organised for the refugee children, it would seem like a solution that benefits everyone involved. Inevitably some will settle here - because their home is now rubble, their jobs have disappeared, family have died or left, and there's very little to go back to. This will be the case especially if the war goes on for a long time, and they start to settle in here. The sooner they learn English the better - for their education, for their integration, and as a useful skill for the future.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 18/03/2022 10:16

Does anyone know what time, the government website to input details of Ukrainians you've offered to host goes live?
I have three young girls who are fleeing from Kyiv we are hoping to offer accommodation to, I have all their passport details but can't find anything on line. I fully expect it to crash anyway as soon as it goes live anyway!

Porcupineintherough · 18/03/2022 11:26

@CatAndHisKit I have PM'd you.

Bonelesschuck · 18/03/2022 11:38

@DesdamonasHandkerchief I also want to know if anyone has done this yet/is it open? I am looking to sponsor two women also still in Kiev, also have all the details but do not want to enter the "register here" system until I know what to expect (also expect it to crash...).

forinborin · 18/03/2022 11:46

@DesdamonasHandkerchief

Does anyone know what time, the government website to input details of Ukrainians you've offered to host goes live? I have three young girls who are fleeing from Kyiv we are hoping to offer accommodation to, I have all their passport details but can't find anything on line. I fully expect it to crash anyway as soon as it goes live anyway!
It is not live yet. Promised to go live today, but honestly - when someone says it will be ready "close of play Friday", it realistically means Monday morning.
Parker231 · 18/03/2022 11:53

www.rte.ie/news/2022/0313/1286201-ukrainian-women-dublin/

Families have started setting in Ireland after horrendous journeys.

BananaPlants · 18/03/2022 12:01

@drspouse - Putting the money into specialist arrangements sounds like a wonderful idea. Schools are struggling to meet children’s mental needs at presents and parents have to put up quite a fight to get provision in place to support this, or to get funding for home tuition or for specialist settings for children with emotional and mental health needs.

So, putting money aside to provide specialist support for refugee children, at least for the first year, isn’t apartheid. It would be to offer something extra and to support, not to take away from.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 18/03/2022 12:17

Thanks for your responses Boneless and forin. At least I know it's not just me being clueless.
I'd like to be able to give the Ukrainian girls some positive news so I hope it is up and running today 🤞

ChiaraRimini · 18/03/2022 12:34

Just found this thread, thanks for setting it up.
Place marking as I have signed up and am going through a matching process organised by a local support group. Waiting on more info but I am hoping to take in a Ukrainian lady and her 2 small kids if it all works out. The local group has some Ukrainian mums who live in the area who will befriend the newcomers. Had a home visit today by a retired social worker who is co-ordinating it all and really knows her onions. Local charities have offered cash support, to cover food etc while benefits come through. There is a lot to think about. I'm a bit nervous about it but I have been through my fair share of challenging family problems and I am prepared to give time and headspace to helping, as well as physical space.

Bonelesschuck · 18/03/2022 12:58

My issue is that I registered at the start of the program, when I didn't know anyone, and now I have people to name but there does not seem to be any way to get back into my original form. I suppose I might try to register all over again (using the same email and details) but say that I do know someone .... confusing!

Also, anyone have any idea how many people we can sponsor? It seems to suggest you can sponsor an individual or a family, but I have two best friends (eg not related to each other). Oh well, if we need to DH will sponsor one and I will sponsor the other.

We have a house in London that we are not using full time (DH is there a few days a week so he can go to the office, but the kids and I are in the country) so it's not a big sacrifice for us. I also speak Russian (although the women who are coming speak English).

HappyDays40 · 18/03/2022 13:02

It is something that we are giving some consideration and although we have space and experience in trauma ( adoption related). I'm not sure how the whole thing would work logistically as we are both full time and care for elderly relatives at the weekend. I'd need to make sure that we could offer consistency and long term commitment. The Ukrainian people will need time and understanding as well as practical support with other things.
It's important not to just act with our hearts buy with our heads too.

forinborin · 18/03/2022 14:02

@DesdamonasHandkerchief

Thanks for your responses Boneless and forin. At least I know it's not just me being clueless. I'd like to be able to give the Ukrainian girls some positive news so I hope it is up and running today 🤞
@DesdamonasHandkerchief

I am going to eat my words as it went live a mere few minutes after I posted.

www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-a-visa-under-the-ukraine-sponsorship-scheme

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 18/03/2022 14:31

Thank you forin filling it in now. It's looong!

Burgoo · 18/03/2022 14:51

This isn't for me or my family. TBH I know this sounds judgemental but I don't trust anyone outside of my immediate family with my child. I have had horror stories from colleagues and people I have worked with and its really quite hideous to imagine.

For example, someone I know had a female nursery worker sexually abuse and take explicit pictures of their 2 year old daughter. I've heard of instances where slightly older children of child minders have sexually assaulted younger children etc.

I know that there aren't bad guys lurking around every corner, and at the same time I've seen the horrific damage caused by childhood abuse and will not do anything that may accidentally facilitate this. We can't forget that women and other children do terrible things to kids and I feel that I'd be on edge constantly in my own house.

There are also issues around:

  1. If you have a mortgage you may have problems with your mortgage lender as you aren't covered to get a mortgage with more than one family in the house
  2. If you take them in and you get £350 a month, this may technically be sub-letting. There are tax and other issues related to this and most landlords won't tolerate it if they find out.
  3. If you don't get on with the people (hey, every country has their own fair share of a-holes) how do you get rid? Apparently (I heard on the news) you would have to take them to court for eviction which is hugely stressful.

I know this sounds all doom and gloom but I like to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. I don't believe the government has thought this through at all, which isn't shocking given Johnson and Co. They want people to do good things because they genuinely care, without putting in the infrastructure and support for both the hosts and the very vulnerable Ukrainians. I suspect this will end up being a massive scandal when they send vulnerable people into the hands of modern slavers, drug pushers and sexual exploiters. We have seen these things happen time and again (Windrush, Grenfell etc) and it is always in hindsight that you could see a problem a million miles off.

I would personally do this:

Bang up emergency accommodation on pre-existing sites (they did this via the army with COVID19 hubs, they were fire/security safe and appropriate). We aren't talking permanent housing for years, just a temporary space where you could house a large number of people for a year.

Draft in teachers into these hubs so that the children can get education - many of the people coming from Ukraine may have teaching backgrounds. Use them! This would also give them jobs and not over-burden an already screwed educational system.

Have on site medical advice - doesn't need to be 24/7 but if you housed 50 families in a Civic Centre for example, you could easily meet those needs without a huge cost.

You will then assure people coming over and much less likely to be exploited because they will have a stable accommodation, health and educational base. These residences would be secure and contained so we wouldn't see huge increases in exploitative crime.

From what I gather most of these poor people want to go back to Ukraine or closer countries eventually anyway. Calls into various radio stations have been clear that they don't want long term residency here. Lets get them out of that terrible situation and actually provide them with a sanctuary without 1) potentially exploiting them 2) potentially leaving vulnerable people in the UK to take in unsavoury people from Ukraine (there will be some) 3) do this en-masse.

This would also allow people to fill skills gaps and job roles in areas like HGV, agriculture, services, hospitality and other sectors which have taken a kicking due to the pandemic and Brexit.

That is just off the top of my head in five minutes so the detail may need alot of thought! But I think its better than knee-jerk, compassionate actions that in the longer-term may cause more problems and harm to those involved.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 18/03/2022 16:09

This is a thread for people interested in helping, I think the thread title gives that away.

Parker231 · 18/03/2022 16:46

@Burgoo - house refugees in a civic centre - I hope not especially when there are 000’s of people coming forward to offer them a proper home. They need a home environment not a camp.

Tulipomania · 18/03/2022 17:51

Glad I have found this thread (I think). I have been on another chat thread which isn't very active.

DH & I are keen to host and have signed up on the government website; also registered with a couple of charities and registered on some local Facebook groups privately - I'm not putting our personal details online for anyone to see.

But so far we've heard nothing. We are in a rural area, so maybe that's an issue.

Those of you who have found people to sponsor, how did you match up with each other?

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