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Row with friend over male/female friendships.

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downthephone · 06/03/2022 16:10

Myself and friend work in office and a very attractive young early 20s girl works with us. The guys obviously like her and believe me this thread is not about jealously-more about perspectives and boundaries.

Anyway a young male colleague the same age as her joined soon after her and she started inviting him out to bars 1 on 1 and to hang out with him. This lead to him trying to kiss her and she rejected it which lead to a row between them as he became clingy to her.

Anyway colleague who I am mates with told me and I pointed out that perhaps it was a bad idea for her to be asking him out 1 on 1 as he'd likely get the wrong idea. I pointed out that if a man were to ask me out for drinks 1 and 1 etc that I'd think he fancied me and that many people would take this idea regardless of gender.

Colleague got mad with me and said I was sexist etc. I said I wasn't and that I'd say the same for both genders. I am not saying men and women can't be friends but I know I will get roasted for saying this but she's a very attractive young women so of course a man would likely want more from her if she was asking him out 1 on 1 to cinema etc. I would say the exact same btw if it was an attractive man asking women out 1 on 1 to bars etc-that many women would get the idea he fancied her and would want more if she was accepted. So please don't start this into a sexist thread when I apply it to both genders.

Friend/colleague didn't take it well but just back story is that friend has lead men on before by going on holiday or away for wkends away with men 1 on 1 she knows who like her but she tells me she has no interest in sleeping with them or having anything romantic with them.

I don't find that appropriate as I would not go away for wkends with a man that I know fancies me when I have no interest in him as it's giving him false hope. AIBU here or what?

OP posts:
Butchyrestingface · 06/03/2022 18:25

oh let's be honest-youth and beauty are desired. I'd feel alot more threatened by dh going for drinks with an attractive and toned 22 year old than with a 50 year old average looking post menopause woman. Who wouldn't?

How old are you and your husband? He might stand a far better chance of getting a 50 year old to give him a jump than a 22 year old. I know when I was 22 I wanted to date blokes my own age, and not some old married codger.

Anyway, if this girl is truly as stunning as you suggest, and every bloke with a pulse madly desires her, what's she supposed to do? Lock herself in her bedroom and never go out socialising with friends/colleagues of the opposite sex, lest she gives them the wrong idea? What about lesbians? Are they off the menu too?

Butchyrestingface · 06/03/2022 18:28

@downthephone

so if they're not "attractive' then it's OK

not at all but them being attractive changes the stakes.

That's foul.
CounsellorTroi · 06/03/2022 18:31

I know what you mean OP. I don’t know how the male colleague was supposed to know that when the hot female one asked him out, she was not asking him out on a date if she didn’t make it clear before hand.

Pumperthepumper · 06/03/2022 18:32

This lead to him trying to kiss her and she rejected it which lead to a row between them as he became clingy to her.

It’s this bit for me. Why did he think he was entitled to her?

lalafam · 06/03/2022 18:33

Of course the guy would think he had a chance with her in that situation. It's naïve to think otherwise

OMG12 · 06/03/2022 18:39

Well 75% of my friends are male. I’ve slept with none of them (well I have actually shared a room on odd weekends away).

I’m not 22 or a super model though lol. Just average looking now 45 year old. But I’ve had make friends all through my life. I can even hug them go out 1:1 without us ripping each other’s clothes off.

I do wonder why people think you can’t be friends with members of the opposite sex.

WTF are you supposed to do if you’re a 22 year old attractive boy sexual? Hang round with ugly a sexual people only???

DetailMouse · 06/03/2022 19:06

@Pumperthepumper

This lead to him trying to kiss her and she rejected it which lead to a row between them as he became clingy to her.

It’s this bit for me. Why did he think he was entitled to her?

How does anyone ever know a kiss would be welcome? Or do we need formal permission these days? That must rather spoil the moment.
Pumperthepumper · 06/03/2022 19:09

@DetailMouse no, she rejected his kiss. End of story.

Except it wasn’t, because he then became clingy towards her. Why?

TracyMosby · 06/03/2022 19:13

[quote Pumperthepumper]@DetailMouse no, she rejected his kiss. End of story.

Except it wasn’t, because he then became clingy towards her. Why?[/quote]
Exactly this. She invited him out. He got the wrong idea and trued to kiss her. She said no. He is so entitled he will not accept that no.

HE is the problem here. That is actually an issue to tell HR.

Pumperthepumper · 06/03/2022 19:20

@TracyMosby which is exactly what supportive colleagues should be doing, instead of inviting strangers on the internet to shame her.

YellowAndGreenToBeSeen · 06/03/2022 19:28

@downthephone

So you can only be friends with the opposite gender if you are ugly. Got it

oh let's be honest-youth and beauty are desired. I'd feel alot more threatened by dh going for drinks with an attractive and toned 22 year old than with a 50 year old average looking post menopause woman. Who wouldn't?

Its 2022 for fuck's sake

don't see what the relevance is.

I’m better looking and ‘hotter’ as a post menopausal woman than I ever was at 21. I got money and time and healthy self esteem to throw at myself. Think J-Lo OP….🔥🔥🔥

And be careful, your ageist misogyny gonna trip you up one day.

YellowAndGreenToBeSeen · 06/03/2022 19:29

Ps. I often go for drinks with male colleagues. Managed to not shag one of them…

stripeyflowers · 06/03/2022 19:51

I can't help thinking it's not a bad 'lesson' to learn - just because someone goes out to a bar with you it doesn't mean they fancy you and want a relationship with you. Maybe society would better if there was more of it.

VeryLongBeeeeep · 07/03/2022 15:21

@downthephone

I went away for a weekend to a comic con style event with a guy from work who I knew had a bit of a thing for me, but I was clear with him we were just going as friends and that was it

I still don't think is right as he still has the hope. I know because I was in the guy's situation before and it was made clear to me but ultimately it didn't work and was just torture as if feelings are involved on 1 side going away together is a bad idea.

Then that's on you to manage, and to decline to go if it's so much 'torture'. Women are not responsible for managing men's feelings about their crushes.
TryingPrettyHard · 08/03/2022 08:17

"Then that's on you to manage, and to decline to go if it's so much 'torture'. Women are not responsible for managing men's feelings about their crushes."

Yes!

AccidentalSamanthaBrick · 08/03/2022 08:26

Name change for this as scared of getting flack but I feel quite strongly about it. When I was younger I was reasonably attractive, sometimes this came with advantages (studies show more attractive people are often treated better in certain situations). HOWEVER, it had some huge downsides. I wasn't able to have friendships with men who were in relationships and was generally treated suspiciously. My best friend's boyfriend (at uni) downright avoided me and one night I asked my friend why he disliked me so much. It turned out she had asked him not to be friendly with me because I was "too pretty". It was upsetting because as a whole group we all socialised together (including with my own boyfriend) but I had spent 3 years thinking this guy just disliked me. Attractive people should be allowed to have normal friendships and go out with members of the opposite sex too.

Not really a problem for me personally these days since I got fatter and older Grin

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