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To be annoyed about cake?

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PinkStarAtNight · 04/03/2022 13:50

This is long and I know that I am probably overreacting a bit and need a kick up the backside for getting so worked up about cake, but I cannot shake a feeling of complete annoyance about every aspect of this very long and boring story.

A couple of years ago I tried my hand at making Christmas cake. I took it along to DPs family's house for Christmas, as a little extra contribution as well as the usual wine and flowers. Everyone said they loved it (apart from DP as he doesn't like fruit cake and refuses to even try it). DPs mum told me I should make a christmas cake every year because it was so lovely. So this xmas just gone I made another. This time I added more brandy because DPs mum had said she loved the taste of brandy in the cake and it could even do with more. This time everyone loved and raved about it even more than the last year. DPs mum went on and on about how lovely it was, that I should do it professionally etc etc...on Boxing Day she was talking about her brother's birthday coming up the following March (this month) and that it was a milestone one so we should arrange something special. She then said what would be lovely would be if I made my fruitcake for him, as his birthday cake. Except a bigger version and in a round shape rather than the loaf shape I did for Christmas. She said she would buy all the ingredients and she would get her DH (who used to be a professional baker) to ice it. I felt a bit apprehensive because the christmas cake hadn't exactly been easy and I thought an even bigger one would be more stress and obviously more pressure as it would be for a milestone birthday for a member of the family I didn't know that well. I couldn't exactly say no though - she didn't really pose it as a question and had gone on so much about what a special birthday it was and how fruit cake is his favourite and it would be so lovely for him. So, I agreed. She said she was sure the cake would be amazing because I'm 'such an amazing baker' and she said multiple times 'make it exactly like this one because this one is amazing' and she said how nice the brandy was and how much her brother loved brandy aswell and he would love my version of fruitcake. (My version is different to traditional fruit cake in that its lighter and more moist, sort of like a teacake, in part because I use caster sugar instead of heavy dark brown sugar.)

I'm short on money, otherwise I wouldn't have accepted her offer to buy all the ingredients and would have bought them myself (and now wish I had). But being short of money I didn't really have a choice. So in January I sent her a list of ingredients I would need - because she had said again and again 'make it exactly like the one you made for Christmas', I sent a detailed breakdown of the exact ingredients I used. 'Half caster sugar, half muscovado sugar' etc etc and of course, the thing she said she liked most, brandy.

She replied the next day with a long message explaining what ingredients she had sent over to me along with my DP. She had changed almost every ingredient - the supermarket didn't have the type of fruit I had said, so she had sent some currents she had at home, her DH (in his expertise) had said that dark brown sugar was nicer for fruit cake so she had got that instead of caster and muscovado, she had half a tub of spread at home that would do instead of butter etc etc, and she had sent a lemon for me to add because she thought it would be nice to have lemon zest. She also said she wanted cherries in it but couldn't find any so could I get some? The most bizarre alteration was that she said instead of buying brandy, they had a little bit of port in their kitchen left over from Christmas so she had sent that instead! After raving so much about how lovely the brandy taste was and how much her brother would love the brandy in the cake.

She then said that her DH, again in his role as ex baker, had said that its important to soak the fruit for three days before baking. This is something that I had not bothered with for the two christmas cakes I made for them, and I had told her this. But she sent me a long message with lots of tips and advice from her DH on how to soak the fruit - an added job for me that I hadn't anticipated. I was also thrown off a bit by the lemon that she wanted me to use to add lemon zest - again something I didn't bother with for my first two cakes (which at this point I will remind you that they all said were amazing and they wanted this birthday cake to be EXACTLY LIKE THEM).

So from the start I was thinking 'this is no longer my cake, she's asking me to use completely different ingredients and a completely different method so it's not going to be at all like the one I did for Christmas.' But I persevered and got ready to make the cake when my DP came for the weekend and brought the ingredients.

When making the cake, I found that the half tub of spread that she had left over and had sent instead of butter (which had bits of toast in it by the way) didn't even make up half of the required measurement of butter in the recipe I had sent her. So I had to use some margarine that I had left over in my fridge to make it up, mixing the ingredients up even more. I then looked at the bottle of port they had sent and saw that there was a tiny little bit in the bottom, that she expected me to use to soak 1kg of dried fruit, and to put into the mixture (which should be at least a couple of tablespoons but I had told her that in order to get that lovely brandy taste I had actually put a fair bit more than that in) AND to feed it with after. There was no way it would cover it.

My first reaction was that she had been cheap with the ingredients - sending stuff she just had in that didn't even match the recipe or cover the required measurements - but DP assured me it wouldn't be that, it was because his mum doesn't have a clue about baking and how things work so she would have thought it was fine, and her DH is a bit useless and probably didn't offer any help even though he does know about cakes.

Anyway we looked on the internet about how much alcohol is needed for soaking and one site said a litre. So we went out and bought a litre of brandy, to add to the port. I thought that was best anyway because she had wanted the brandy taste.

We made the cake. DP helped out and when it came to adding the brandy to the mixture he got silly and splashed way too much in, despite me saying it only needed a few tablespoons. He said it would be funny if everyone got drunk from the cake...I tasted the mixture and I was a little concerned that the brandy taste was very strong, but when it came out of the oven after two hours (as per the recipe) a skewer came out clean and we had put some of the extra mixture in a bun case in order to test and that bit tasted well cooked and not too strong tasting, I actually thought it had turned out well and tasted lovely.

While messaging DPs mum about the cake I jokingly told her about him adding too much brandy and she replied a few hours later saying she had told her DH and he was very concerned that the cake would taste too much like brandy and would be soggy. I told her that the skewer had come out clean and the bun was fine, so all was ok and DP took it home with him a few days later. His mum sent a gushing message with lots of thanks, saying it looked amazing.

Three days later I got a message from DP saying 'whats the recipe for the cake?' I asked why. He replied with 'The cake has gone wrong. They said we shouldn't have soaked it in so much brandy and I have ruined it by putting too much brandy in the mixture. They also said two hours in the oven wasn't long enough.'
He then sent a picture of the cake, on their dining room table, cut into down the middle and cracked at the side. Apparently they had put the end of a knife through it and it had come out covered in mixture. They had baked it for an extra two hours but it didn't do any good so they had cut into it and found that it was soggy and barely cooked in the middle. I asked why my skewer came out clean and apparently their response was that I should have used a knife, that's how you really tell...
DPs Dad said there was no way we needed 1litre of brandy to soak and that had probably added to it being too dense with liquid. I DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO SOAK THE FRUIT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

DP pointed out that the spread his mum had sent was actually quite greasy and the mixture seemed very oily, not just dense with brandy. They said this wouldn't have made a difference, it was definitely the brandy.

Anyway his mum said the outside bits were OK so she had sectioned it off, kept some for them to eat, taken some over to her brother (the one who's birthday it was) to have and boxed some up for me. I offered to make another one. She said her brother wouldn't want fruit cake again after having some of the (ruined) cake, so she would just buy him one.

When DP brought over my share of the cake, it was undercooked and barely edible. I wondered why they had thought it was good enough to send to brother and that after having it he wouldn't need fruit cake again in a couple of months, if it was that bad. Or maybe they kept the outside bits that were OK for themselves and sent me the crappy undercooked middle bit.

I have multiple AIBUs actually:
AIBU to think that if you ask someone to make a cake for you because you loved their version so much, you don't start substituting/adding ingredients and directing how they make it?

AIBU to think that if its for a special occasion you don't use left over spread with toast in it for the butter and a tablespoon of port instead of a decent amount of brandy?

AIBU to think that if DPs dad is so good at baking and knows so much about how to soak fruit, how long to bake a fruit cake for and how best to test when its done, he should have done it himself?

AIBU to be pissed at DP for messing around and adding too much brandy when he wasn't even going to eat any of the cake?

AIBU to think that if a cake isn't good enough to eat as a birthday cake its not good enough to send as a gift and you should just throw it out and let me make another?

AIBU to think they deliberately sent me the most ruined part of the cake and if the outsides were nice, I at least deserved to enjoy that part of the cake like they did, since I had the stress of making it?

AIBU to never ever agree to make a cake for anyone ever again?

RANT OVER.

OP posts:
tkwal · 04/03/2022 16:17

I wouldn't have even tried to make the cake with the shoddy ingredients they sent you. I would have told them they could reimburse you for the proper ingredients and stuck with YOUR recipe and method. If your Father in law didn't believe in using good quality ingredients he wouldn't have lasted long as a Baker, I think its more your MIL being a cheapskate. I would make them one last Christmas cake , maybe a small one for the Uncle too, and tell them that it turns out delicious when you do it your way. Very few people understand how expensive a good fruit cake is to bake. Don't let them knock your confidence

AKASammyScrounge · 04/03/2022 16:20

The spread with the toast crumbs had me in stitches. Poor OP.

billy1966 · 04/03/2022 16:20

Absolutely bonkers that you carried on after she didn't send the ingredients.

Batshit, cheap and a complete CF is how I would describe your partners mother.

That you went along with this is hilarious.

Learn from it.

But YANBU Flowers

Wishimaywishimight · 04/03/2022 16:21

Longest thread about a cake ever, surely 😄

bluepeacock · 04/03/2022 16:22

Sorry, couldn't read it all - but you lost me at "I couldn't exactly say no".

Of course you could.

When will women stop allowing others to walk all over them in order to be "nice"?

JustDanceAddict · 04/03/2022 16:24

You should never have agreed to it!
Or bought your own ingredients and said you’d make it for cost.

RoseJam · 04/03/2022 16:24

The problem with cakes is that far too many people don't realise that
mass-produced cakes are so much cheaper and less faff than homemade. So when they ask hobby bakers to make cakes for them, those people are most likely expecting to have a much cheap cake made for them (but with personalisation, high-quality ingredients).

There are some classic hobby and professional cake decorator jokes like this ...

To be annoyed about cake?
To be annoyed about cake?
To be annoyed about cake?
SunnySideDownBriefly · 04/03/2022 16:25

Hmm, this sounds very strange.

Are you sure it was the same cake? Wouldn't you have noticed if it was that bad? I'm assuming you took it out of the tin before you sent it over to them?

I voted YANBU because I actually feel like laying down in a dark room after listening to these shenanigans...God knows how you coped. But you really should have called a halt to this. Saying this, I have a very weird MIL and I don't think I would have been able to stand up to her and say 'No.' Grin But I probably would have gone and bought the right ingredients myself - especially the sugar and butter. And I would have used the lemon for several large gins.

RewildingAmbridge · 04/03/2022 16:27

YABU to get pushed into something you wouldn't do and then not just saying absolutely not when she sent you the hotchpotch of random ingredients. Clearly they are batshit but you can't change that, be more assertive

theresAtablet4thatNow · 04/03/2022 16:27

Just never agree to anything of this sort, ever again. It's been a painful lesson, but now you know. Make an excuse, lie, "say 'no' and mean it", do whatever you need to do to avoid this sort of thing happening again.

sadeyedladyofthelowlandsea · 04/03/2022 16:35

Sorry OP, but I actually laughed. YADNBU, but I can honestly imagine the steam coming out of your ears as DP, MiL, And ExBaker consistently & persistently kept sabotaging you. I have been in similar situations, and it's so bloody frustrating!

Never, ever make a cake for them ever again. Just take along a slice of your own every time you meet them and eat it very delicately and if they ask what you're doing say 'oh, this was the cake I originally made, but then I followed your instructions & ingredients for the cake you asked for. Mmm, yummy cake!' and pat your stomach. Don't do this, obviously. But think about doing it.

ClemFandangoo · 04/03/2022 16:41

If they ask you for a cake again OP just send them this video in response 🤣

Anonymous48 · 04/03/2022 16:41

What a saga! I mean, clearly your boyfriend's family are bonkers, but why did you go along with it, and why are you wasting so much headspace on it?

Hawkins001 · 04/03/2022 16:52

@PinkStarAtNight

This is long and I know that I am probably overreacting a bit and need a kick up the backside for getting so worked up about cake, but I cannot shake a feeling of complete annoyance about every aspect of this very long and boring story.

A couple of years ago I tried my hand at making Christmas cake. I took it along to DPs family's house for Christmas, as a little extra contribution as well as the usual wine and flowers. Everyone said they loved it (apart from DP as he doesn't like fruit cake and refuses to even try it). DPs mum told me I should make a christmas cake every year because it was so lovely. So this xmas just gone I made another. This time I added more brandy because DPs mum had said she loved the taste of brandy in the cake and it could even do with more. This time everyone loved and raved about it even more than the last year. DPs mum went on and on about how lovely it was, that I should do it professionally etc etc...on Boxing Day she was talking about her brother's birthday coming up the following March (this month) and that it was a milestone one so we should arrange something special. She then said what would be lovely would be if I made my fruitcake for him, as his birthday cake. Except a bigger version and in a round shape rather than the loaf shape I did for Christmas. She said she would buy all the ingredients and she would get her DH (who used to be a professional baker) to ice it. I felt a bit apprehensive because the christmas cake hadn't exactly been easy and I thought an even bigger one would be more stress and obviously more pressure as it would be for a milestone birthday for a member of the family I didn't know that well. I couldn't exactly say no though - she didn't really pose it as a question and had gone on so much about what a special birthday it was and how fruit cake is his favourite and it would be so lovely for him. So, I agreed. She said she was sure the cake would be amazing because I'm 'such an amazing baker' and she said multiple times 'make it exactly like this one because this one is amazing' and she said how nice the brandy was and how much her brother loved brandy aswell and he would love my version of fruitcake. (My version is different to traditional fruit cake in that its lighter and more moist, sort of like a teacake, in part because I use caster sugar instead of heavy dark brown sugar.)

I'm short on money, otherwise I wouldn't have accepted her offer to buy all the ingredients and would have bought them myself (and now wish I had). But being short of money I didn't really have a choice. So in January I sent her a list of ingredients I would need - because she had said again and again 'make it exactly like the one you made for Christmas', I sent a detailed breakdown of the exact ingredients I used. 'Half caster sugar, half muscovado sugar' etc etc and of course, the thing she said she liked most, brandy.

She replied the next day with a long message explaining what ingredients she had sent over to me along with my DP. She had changed almost every ingredient - the supermarket didn't have the type of fruit I had said, so she had sent some currents she had at home, her DH (in his expertise) had said that dark brown sugar was nicer for fruit cake so she had got that instead of caster and muscovado, she had half a tub of spread at home that would do instead of butter etc etc, and she had sent a lemon for me to add because she thought it would be nice to have lemon zest. She also said she wanted cherries in it but couldn't find any so could I get some? The most bizarre alteration was that she said instead of buying brandy, they had a little bit of port in their kitchen left over from Christmas so she had sent that instead! After raving so much about how lovely the brandy taste was and how much her brother would love the brandy in the cake.

She then said that her DH, again in his role as ex baker, had said that its important to soak the fruit for three days before baking. This is something that I had not bothered with for the two christmas cakes I made for them, and I had told her this. But she sent me a long message with lots of tips and advice from her DH on how to soak the fruit - an added job for me that I hadn't anticipated. I was also thrown off a bit by the lemon that she wanted me to use to add lemon zest - again something I didn't bother with for my first two cakes (which at this point I will remind you that they all said were amazing and they wanted this birthday cake to be EXACTLY LIKE THEM).

So from the start I was thinking 'this is no longer my cake, she's asking me to use completely different ingredients and a completely different method so it's not going to be at all like the one I did for Christmas.' But I persevered and got ready to make the cake when my DP came for the weekend and brought the ingredients.

When making the cake, I found that the half tub of spread that she had left over and had sent instead of butter (which had bits of toast in it by the way) didn't even make up half of the required measurement of butter in the recipe I had sent her. So I had to use some margarine that I had left over in my fridge to make it up, mixing the ingredients up even more. I then looked at the bottle of port they had sent and saw that there was a tiny little bit in the bottom, that she expected me to use to soak 1kg of dried fruit, and to put into the mixture (which should be at least a couple of tablespoons but I had told her that in order to get that lovely brandy taste I had actually put a fair bit more than that in) AND to feed it with after. There was no way it would cover it.

My first reaction was that she had been cheap with the ingredients - sending stuff she just had in that didn't even match the recipe or cover the required measurements - but DP assured me it wouldn't be that, it was because his mum doesn't have a clue about baking and how things work so she would have thought it was fine, and her DH is a bit useless and probably didn't offer any help even though he does know about cakes.

Anyway we looked on the internet about how much alcohol is needed for soaking and one site said a litre. So we went out and bought a litre of brandy, to add to the port. I thought that was best anyway because she had wanted the brandy taste.

We made the cake. DP helped out and when it came to adding the brandy to the mixture he got silly and splashed way too much in, despite me saying it only needed a few tablespoons. He said it would be funny if everyone got drunk from the cake...I tasted the mixture and I was a little concerned that the brandy taste was very strong, but when it came out of the oven after two hours (as per the recipe) a skewer came out clean and we had put some of the extra mixture in a bun case in order to test and that bit tasted well cooked and not too strong tasting, I actually thought it had turned out well and tasted lovely.

While messaging DPs mum about the cake I jokingly told her about him adding too much brandy and she replied a few hours later saying she had told her DH and he was very concerned that the cake would taste too much like brandy and would be soggy. I told her that the skewer had come out clean and the bun was fine, so all was ok and DP took it home with him a few days later. His mum sent a gushing message with lots of thanks, saying it looked amazing.

Three days later I got a message from DP saying 'whats the recipe for the cake?' I asked why. He replied with 'The cake has gone wrong. They said we shouldn't have soaked it in so much brandy and I have ruined it by putting too much brandy in the mixture. They also said two hours in the oven wasn't long enough.'
He then sent a picture of the cake, on their dining room table, cut into down the middle and cracked at the side. Apparently they had put the end of a knife through it and it had come out covered in mixture. They had baked it for an extra two hours but it didn't do any good so they had cut into it and found that it was soggy and barely cooked in the middle. I asked why my skewer came out clean and apparently their response was that I should have used a knife, that's how you really tell...
DPs Dad said there was no way we needed 1litre of brandy to soak and that had probably added to it being too dense with liquid. I DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO SOAK THE FRUIT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

DP pointed out that the spread his mum had sent was actually quite greasy and the mixture seemed very oily, not just dense with brandy. They said this wouldn't have made a difference, it was definitely the brandy.

Anyway his mum said the outside bits were OK so she had sectioned it off, kept some for them to eat, taken some over to her brother (the one who's birthday it was) to have and boxed some up for me. I offered to make another one. She said her brother wouldn't want fruit cake again after having some of the (ruined) cake, so she would just buy him one.

When DP brought over my share of the cake, it was undercooked and barely edible. I wondered why they had thought it was good enough to send to brother and that after having it he wouldn't need fruit cake again in a couple of months, if it was that bad. Or maybe they kept the outside bits that were OK for themselves and sent me the crappy undercooked middle bit.

I have multiple AIBUs actually:
AIBU to think that if you ask someone to make a cake for you because you loved their version so much, you don't start substituting/adding ingredients and directing how they make it?

AIBU to think that if its for a special occasion you don't use left over spread with toast in it for the butter and a tablespoon of port instead of a decent amount of brandy?

AIBU to think that if DPs dad is so good at baking and knows so much about how to soak fruit, how long to bake a fruit cake for and how best to test when its done, he should have done it himself?

AIBU to be pissed at DP for messing around and adding too much brandy when he wasn't even going to eat any of the cake?

AIBU to think that if a cake isn't good enough to eat as a birthday cake its not good enough to send as a gift and you should just throw it out and let me make another?

AIBU to think they deliberately sent me the most ruined part of the cake and if the outsides were nice, I at least deserved to enjoy that part of the cake like they did, since I had the stress of making it?

AIBU to never ever agree to make a cake for anyone ever again?

RANT OVER.

I understand your frustrations op, what about if you do make any others is to get the ingredients yourself and then charge them the costs, and as to instructions if anyone wants to give advice, so that if it goes wrong there's a written account of what happened?
AnnesBrokenSlate · 04/03/2022 16:53

YABU because you're blaming them because you decided to follow their instructions. They're not the baking police. You should just have made it the way you always do.
tbh when you said her DH was a baker, I thought it was brave of you to bake a cake for them every year never mind taking on a cake for a milestone birthday. It doesn't sound like you know them very well or understand the family dynamics. You felt cowed into using rubbish ingredients and a different recipe. That's a bit odd for an adult.

AnnesBrokenSlate · 04/03/2022 16:53

oop, posted too soon, That's a bit odd for an adult who is comfortable with their ILs.

foxy3 · 04/03/2022 16:58

@Somanymistakes I thought the same as you ... they made a replacement to make you "realise how undercooked it was"
I too can't see how the skewer was dry yet they sent that over.
I would be peed off too and never make them a cake again , not even at Christmas just make one for you to enjoy

Psychonabike · 04/03/2022 17:03

Honestly, this sounds like a lack of assertiveness on your part and nothing more. When you let people mess you about like this, you are always going to be pissed off with the outcome, but ultimately it's you that you are most annoyed with (even if you can't admit it).

So many opportunities to say:

No, I wouldn't have time to do that, sorry.

No, that wouldn't work for me through I'd be happy to choose the ingredients I am happy to work with and give you the receipt.

No, I can't use this spread.

No, I can't use this port.

etc etc...

My DH used to do this a lot -offer my services (mostly in suggestions to the kids) or interfere with tasks that better reflect my skills rather than his. He knows better after a few incidents:

"That's a nice cake you are decorating, you could do x, y..z.." (Kids get excited about his actually impossible suggestion)
Me: "Fabulous, you take over and finish that then and show the kids what you mean" walking away to sack it off and have a cup of tea instead.

Interference and stupid unsolicited suggestions means it's now their task not mine. I get to go and have a cup of tea instead. Or they leave me alone to do it properly. Win either way.

bumpytrumpy · 04/03/2022 17:06

I've never heard so much drama over a cake.

She should have made one or bought one.

You should have said no and definitely not got into weird situations where you order the ingredients from her, she provides the wrong ones and you go ahead anyway?!? Totally bizarre.

You need some lessons is assertiveness and valuing your own time.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 04/03/2022 17:13

There was no point trying to make it with the wrong ingredients. It would have been better to either buy the correct ones (if you could afford it) or send back the random contents of your Mail's kitchen with the explanation that you can't make a cake from these, so it is better if she and her expert husband do so.

FirewomanSam · 04/03/2022 17:13

Good grief I need a lie down after reading all that. Your DP and his family all sound bonkers. Who even likes fruitcake so much that they rave about it year after year? And who the fuck wants a fruitcake as a birthday cake? These people are lunatics.

YABU for not saying ‘these are the ingredients I need, what you’ve sent over won’t work with my recipe. But DP’s dad, it sounds like you have a recipe you like better so why don’t you make this one?’

YANBU to be pissed off about all of it, especially DP’s dad’s backseat fruitcaking. I can’t believe they called you to tell you they were worried the cake would be soggy!

I don’t quite understand how you managed to send over a cake that was raw in the middle without realising, though.

stripeyflowers · 04/03/2022 17:15

I would have to tell them OP. The cake is all about the right ingredients!!
YADNBU!

1forAll74 · 04/03/2022 17:20

I love to hear about a saga about cake making, this one is very good. But whatever the boozed up cake was like, this one was about too many cooks, spoiling the broth, so to speak. But I suppose you have to be quite inventive when making cakes of any sort,, then you can maybe go on GBBO, and win.

Arabellla · 04/03/2022 17:23

@50DaysAF

So you agree it was undercooked?

I mean, you should have said no when she wouldn’t supply the correct ingredients. However you did agree to make it regardless and then provided an undercooked cake. For a birthday celebration. I’m not sure how they were unreasonable not to use it.

OP baked the cake for 2 hours, per instructions.

It’s not her fault it was undercooked.

stuntbubbles · 04/03/2022 17:34

Sorry, OP, but this did make me laugh. I can fully picture a crap carrier bag with a plastic tub of horrible spread full of toast crumbs. Completely bonkers.

That’s the point you should have said no. Or if you felt you had to do it, done it exactly your way and thrown out the Ready Steady Cook grab-bag of fridge horrors. Without telling them you’d done it your way – they’d forever be trying to recreate your wonderful cake with horrid margarine and a teaspoon of old port and wondering why it wasn’t the same.

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