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To be annoyed about cake?

131 replies

PinkStarAtNight · 04/03/2022 13:50

This is long and I know that I am probably overreacting a bit and need a kick up the backside for getting so worked up about cake, but I cannot shake a feeling of complete annoyance about every aspect of this very long and boring story.

A couple of years ago I tried my hand at making Christmas cake. I took it along to DPs family's house for Christmas, as a little extra contribution as well as the usual wine and flowers. Everyone said they loved it (apart from DP as he doesn't like fruit cake and refuses to even try it). DPs mum told me I should make a christmas cake every year because it was so lovely. So this xmas just gone I made another. This time I added more brandy because DPs mum had said she loved the taste of brandy in the cake and it could even do with more. This time everyone loved and raved about it even more than the last year. DPs mum went on and on about how lovely it was, that I should do it professionally etc etc...on Boxing Day she was talking about her brother's birthday coming up the following March (this month) and that it was a milestone one so we should arrange something special. She then said what would be lovely would be if I made my fruitcake for him, as his birthday cake. Except a bigger version and in a round shape rather than the loaf shape I did for Christmas. She said she would buy all the ingredients and she would get her DH (who used to be a professional baker) to ice it. I felt a bit apprehensive because the christmas cake hadn't exactly been easy and I thought an even bigger one would be more stress and obviously more pressure as it would be for a milestone birthday for a member of the family I didn't know that well. I couldn't exactly say no though - she didn't really pose it as a question and had gone on so much about what a special birthday it was and how fruit cake is his favourite and it would be so lovely for him. So, I agreed. She said she was sure the cake would be amazing because I'm 'such an amazing baker' and she said multiple times 'make it exactly like this one because this one is amazing' and she said how nice the brandy was and how much her brother loved brandy aswell and he would love my version of fruitcake. (My version is different to traditional fruit cake in that its lighter and more moist, sort of like a teacake, in part because I use caster sugar instead of heavy dark brown sugar.)

I'm short on money, otherwise I wouldn't have accepted her offer to buy all the ingredients and would have bought them myself (and now wish I had). But being short of money I didn't really have a choice. So in January I sent her a list of ingredients I would need - because she had said again and again 'make it exactly like the one you made for Christmas', I sent a detailed breakdown of the exact ingredients I used. 'Half caster sugar, half muscovado sugar' etc etc and of course, the thing she said she liked most, brandy.

She replied the next day with a long message explaining what ingredients she had sent over to me along with my DP. She had changed almost every ingredient - the supermarket didn't have the type of fruit I had said, so she had sent some currents she had at home, her DH (in his expertise) had said that dark brown sugar was nicer for fruit cake so she had got that instead of caster and muscovado, she had half a tub of spread at home that would do instead of butter etc etc, and she had sent a lemon for me to add because she thought it would be nice to have lemon zest. She also said she wanted cherries in it but couldn't find any so could I get some? The most bizarre alteration was that she said instead of buying brandy, they had a little bit of port in their kitchen left over from Christmas so she had sent that instead! After raving so much about how lovely the brandy taste was and how much her brother would love the brandy in the cake.

She then said that her DH, again in his role as ex baker, had said that its important to soak the fruit for three days before baking. This is something that I had not bothered with for the two christmas cakes I made for them, and I had told her this. But she sent me a long message with lots of tips and advice from her DH on how to soak the fruit - an added job for me that I hadn't anticipated. I was also thrown off a bit by the lemon that she wanted me to use to add lemon zest - again something I didn't bother with for my first two cakes (which at this point I will remind you that they all said were amazing and they wanted this birthday cake to be EXACTLY LIKE THEM).

So from the start I was thinking 'this is no longer my cake, she's asking me to use completely different ingredients and a completely different method so it's not going to be at all like the one I did for Christmas.' But I persevered and got ready to make the cake when my DP came for the weekend and brought the ingredients.

When making the cake, I found that the half tub of spread that she had left over and had sent instead of butter (which had bits of toast in it by the way) didn't even make up half of the required measurement of butter in the recipe I had sent her. So I had to use some margarine that I had left over in my fridge to make it up, mixing the ingredients up even more. I then looked at the bottle of port they had sent and saw that there was a tiny little bit in the bottom, that she expected me to use to soak 1kg of dried fruit, and to put into the mixture (which should be at least a couple of tablespoons but I had told her that in order to get that lovely brandy taste I had actually put a fair bit more than that in) AND to feed it with after. There was no way it would cover it.

My first reaction was that she had been cheap with the ingredients - sending stuff she just had in that didn't even match the recipe or cover the required measurements - but DP assured me it wouldn't be that, it was because his mum doesn't have a clue about baking and how things work so she would have thought it was fine, and her DH is a bit useless and probably didn't offer any help even though he does know about cakes.

Anyway we looked on the internet about how much alcohol is needed for soaking and one site said a litre. So we went out and bought a litre of brandy, to add to the port. I thought that was best anyway because she had wanted the brandy taste.

We made the cake. DP helped out and when it came to adding the brandy to the mixture he got silly and splashed way too much in, despite me saying it only needed a few tablespoons. He said it would be funny if everyone got drunk from the cake...I tasted the mixture and I was a little concerned that the brandy taste was very strong, but when it came out of the oven after two hours (as per the recipe) a skewer came out clean and we had put some of the extra mixture in a bun case in order to test and that bit tasted well cooked and not too strong tasting, I actually thought it had turned out well and tasted lovely.

While messaging DPs mum about the cake I jokingly told her about him adding too much brandy and she replied a few hours later saying she had told her DH and he was very concerned that the cake would taste too much like brandy and would be soggy. I told her that the skewer had come out clean and the bun was fine, so all was ok and DP took it home with him a few days later. His mum sent a gushing message with lots of thanks, saying it looked amazing.

Three days later I got a message from DP saying 'whats the recipe for the cake?' I asked why. He replied with 'The cake has gone wrong. They said we shouldn't have soaked it in so much brandy and I have ruined it by putting too much brandy in the mixture. They also said two hours in the oven wasn't long enough.'
He then sent a picture of the cake, on their dining room table, cut into down the middle and cracked at the side. Apparently they had put the end of a knife through it and it had come out covered in mixture. They had baked it for an extra two hours but it didn't do any good so they had cut into it and found that it was soggy and barely cooked in the middle. I asked why my skewer came out clean and apparently their response was that I should have used a knife, that's how you really tell...
DPs Dad said there was no way we needed 1litre of brandy to soak and that had probably added to it being too dense with liquid. I DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO SOAK THE FRUIT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

DP pointed out that the spread his mum had sent was actually quite greasy and the mixture seemed very oily, not just dense with brandy. They said this wouldn't have made a difference, it was definitely the brandy.

Anyway his mum said the outside bits were OK so she had sectioned it off, kept some for them to eat, taken some over to her brother (the one who's birthday it was) to have and boxed some up for me. I offered to make another one. She said her brother wouldn't want fruit cake again after having some of the (ruined) cake, so she would just buy him one.

When DP brought over my share of the cake, it was undercooked and barely edible. I wondered why they had thought it was good enough to send to brother and that after having it he wouldn't need fruit cake again in a couple of months, if it was that bad. Or maybe they kept the outside bits that were OK for themselves and sent me the crappy undercooked middle bit.

I have multiple AIBUs actually:
AIBU to think that if you ask someone to make a cake for you because you loved their version so much, you don't start substituting/adding ingredients and directing how they make it?

AIBU to think that if its for a special occasion you don't use left over spread with toast in it for the butter and a tablespoon of port instead of a decent amount of brandy?

AIBU to think that if DPs dad is so good at baking and knows so much about how to soak fruit, how long to bake a fruit cake for and how best to test when its done, he should have done it himself?

AIBU to be pissed at DP for messing around and adding too much brandy when he wasn't even going to eat any of the cake?

AIBU to think that if a cake isn't good enough to eat as a birthday cake its not good enough to send as a gift and you should just throw it out and let me make another?

AIBU to think they deliberately sent me the most ruined part of the cake and if the outsides were nice, I at least deserved to enjoy that part of the cake like they did, since I had the stress of making it?

AIBU to never ever agree to make a cake for anyone ever again?

RANT OVER.

OP posts:
DahliaMacNamara · 04/03/2022 15:42

My blood pressure is rising just reading that little lot, and I would never let the whole ingredients fiasco get that far. You can't make a silk purse out a sow's ear needs to be your mantra if any of these nightmare people bring the subject up again, ever.

Dixiechickonhols · 04/03/2022 15:43

You were too nice op. Her buying ingredients was weird why not just give you £20 etc.
when you received wrong ingredients you should have said no I can’t make a cake with that I wouldn’t want BIL to be disappointed. Then leave it at that.
Your mistake was to engage with them after that. Chalk it up to experience it’s probably saved you trouble in long run as you won’t be asked again.

JemimaTiggywinkle · 04/03/2022 15:44

YANBU. They clearly have far too much time on their hands - should have just made the bloody cake themselves.

Let this be a lesson to not be afraid to say no next time when you don’t really want to do something.

Erinyes · 04/03/2022 15:44

OP, this whole situation is mad. Wars have been declared, fought and lost with less, stress, communication, advice, misfires and drama. Next time buy one from a supermarket. At least it won’t have bits of toast in it, or require a whole-family summit about brandy and baking times.

ovenchips · 04/03/2022 15:44

Plus just saw that you offered to make them another cake.Confused Why? That level of masochism sounds painful!

irregularegular · 04/03/2022 15:45

Oh dear. This is the longest fruit cake story I have ever read! She was totally unreasonable and I do feel for you. But another time, in similar circumstances, you do need to find the confidence to say NO you cannot make the fruit cake without the right ingredients and your own method (as agreed in the first place).

On the other hand YABU to make a loaf shaped cake for Christmas.

ThatsNotMyGolem · 04/03/2022 15:45

I couldn't exactly say no

You could!!

JemimaTiggywinkle · 04/03/2022 15:47

p.s. I hope you’re not planning on making another one this Christmas. For the love of god end this now!

tinkywinkyshandbag · 04/03/2022 15:47

Sorry OP but I can't believe you have written such a long post about cake!

Lifeismeh · 04/03/2022 15:48

YABU for pandering to it all.

Should have said ‘that’s not my recipes so it won’t be the same’ and ended it there.

marqueses · 04/03/2022 15:49

I can only agree with everyone else, why on earth would you agree to make it in the first place different ingredients and a different method.

That was bonkers

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 04/03/2022 15:49

A lesson learnt, however I would be putting the blame squarely on your DH. What was he thinking..........

JudgeJ · 04/03/2022 15:50

@RoseJam

Also as an experienced cake baker who bakes as a hobby, I highly recommend only ever baking for yourself and your immediate family. The moment you start agreeing to baking for others, there is a greater pressure to ensure the cake is of a higher standard than what you yourself would accept. Plus you also lose a say in design, recommended flavours, budget etc etc.

A lot of friends will ask me to make cakes. Even offer money - but I always refuse now. The stress and demands are not worth it. Also unless people actually bake and decorate cakes, they really have no idea or appreciation how much time it actually takes. They don't realise what a PITA it is to go shopping for all the ingredients (often at multiple shops to get everything), preparing it, cleaning the kitchen, decorating it, discussing the person's requirements/preferences, delivering it, etc etc

You're so right about the lack of understanding involved in making a special cake. My late mother used to make wedding cakes as a paying hobby, it was back when wedding cakes were far more ornate than today, she would make all the lattice work flower holders, roses etc, the only thing she bought were the bride and groom for the top. When she quoted a price a lot of people said it was a rip off, quoting the price of a fruit cake from M and S, adding a bit for the decoration! She would sit for hours making the decorations, her time wasn't considered.
Pythonesque · 04/03/2022 15:52

You have my sympathies and I agree, this should help mean no more baking of cakes to share outside your immediate family :)

I do soak fruit for my cake, used to do it in orange juice till the kids were older, now often use rum. This year's cakes were unusually dry probably because I didn't leave enough time to soak the fruit as much as they usually do. Also may have been a bit mean with the rum.

When I used orange juice I probably did use a whole litre - but that was to soak enough fruit to make 2 very large cakes (nowadays I use the same to make 3 still big cakes, number 3 is kept for Easter).

Cooking time increases significantly with size, and also with excess liquid. I think you were unlucky that the skewer didn't give you enough clues.

For the first several years I made my own cakes, I would get tired by the end of the recipe and repeatedly misread the final instruction. "lastly add one sherry glass of rum or orange juice". Since I was doubling the recipe I routinely added 2 cups of orange juice at that point ... and wondered why my cakes took 6 hours to bake!!

knittingaddict · 04/03/2022 15:52

I'm hyperventilating after reading that. I'm a pretty good baker and there are so many things wrong that I don't really know where to start. Marg instead of butter? Shudder.

I would never make another cake for them. Why on earth didn't the professional Baker make the cake with all those rubbish ingredients and have done with it?

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 04/03/2022 15:54

Your Mil is an expect at the Cheeky Fucker - "Sing me a few bars of a song effect "
Her. You have a LOVELY LOVELY voice, sing me a few bars of a song.
You OK.
Her In fact, its such a lovely voice, could you sing the whole song.
and
can I choose a different song
could you record it.
Would you be prepared to sing it live on the day
In fact could you sing a three hour opera.
You could have called a halt at some stages. Frankly you will be in the wrong whatever you do
The way it works is because you've agreed to a small relatively manageable favour, they presume its not that much trouble so you feel you cant say no, or to the next small addition, or the next but soon you've landed up in a full scale CF fest.

So you know what she's capable of now so you must refuse if she changes the rules in future. . Her master baker DH can bake his own cake! Don't let them bully you into being their performing seal again.

Your DH seems to be letting you take all the blame, why was he messing around adding an entire LITRE of brandy. Mad. Either he's a complete idiot or he ought to have known such stupidity it would spoil the cake and thought it would be a great joke, which was hardly supportive of him. Was it really a full litre.. ? unless it was a giant cake the whole thing would just be liquid.
Previous poster said if they baked it for a further two hours it wouldn't be raw, so I also doubt it was the same cake but very odd to send you back the uncooked portion.
There is no point going the extra mile with these people, making special things. A bunch of flowers or a bottle of wine is bomb proof. In fact you need to make sure DH shuts them up about it when they go on and on next time they see you. Which they clearly will.
But you've had a good rant so resolve never to be caught out like that again and move on.

frazzledasarock · 04/03/2022 15:54

I reckon they are your cake. Tried to make a replacement (using your recipe and their own cheap replacements) and came up with the rubbish soggy mess they sent you and on to your MIL’s brother.

frazzledasarock · 04/03/2022 15:55

That ate your cake

knittingaddict · 04/03/2022 15:55

@irregularegular

Oh dear. This is the longest fruit cake story I have ever read! She was totally unreasonable and I do feel for you. But another time, in similar circumstances, you do need to find the confidence to say NO you cannot make the fruit cake without the right ingredients and your own method (as agreed in the first place).

On the other hand YABU to make a loaf shaped cake for Christmas.

I thought the same about the loaf cake. Sorry op.
TruJay · 04/03/2022 15:57

As soon as I’d have received the shit ingredients I would have just text saying that they’re not correct and won’t work. If they want YOUR cake, you need the list you sent and if not then I’d return what they’d sent and wish them luck with making their own cake. If they continued to tell me my way was wrong then I’d also say good luck making the birthday cake the ‘correct’ way themselves then.

Wouldn’t have entertained any of this shit, they sent the crap ingredients thinking you would go out and cover the cost of what you needed, including the bottle of brandy. But you didn’t so now they’re pissed and blaming you for it being a crap cake. If the other guy is a professional expert baker then he could have baked it himself no?

gelert5619 · 04/03/2022 15:59

Please can we have your own recipe please, it sounds yummy, Thanks.

shakeitoffshakeacocktail · 04/03/2022 16:03

There is a very good reason why chefs are control freaks and this whole story is why.

Speaking as a caterer for nearly 20 years

If you're making it you're responsible for it.
Buy the ingredients and present them with a receipt
No-one 'helps' with the brandy!
The only helpers are dish washers and tasters
Your PinL were very rude
No more favours u bless they pay retrospectively with interest

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/03/2022 16:09

Her buying ingredients was weird why not just give you £20 etc.

Because that would have cost MIL more?

It sounds to me as if she felt she ought to offer payment but didn't really want to - hence the rooting in cupboards for any old crap - which is partly why I'd never have used them in the first place

50DaysAF · 04/03/2022 16:12

So you agree it was undercooked?

I mean, you should have said no when she wouldn’t supply the correct ingredients. However you did agree to make it regardless and then provided an undercooked cake. For a birthday celebration. I’m not sure how they were unreasonable not to use it.

TheNoodlesIncident · 04/03/2022 16:15

@Alandinasane

Unfortunately you got into this mess as soon as you accepted all the wrong ingredients. That was the time to send them back and suggest that as you weren't familiar with that recipe her "ex baker" DH should do it.
I thought the same thing: why on earth didn't you give the bag of replacement ingredients to your DP and ask him to take them back with the message "You asked for the exact cake I made before. That needs the ingredients I specified so I can't do it, sorry"?

I wouldn't have tried to replicate a cake with totally different ingredients and a different method! SWBU not getting the right stuff you'd asked for, but you didn't have to attempt it!

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