Is there really going to be a nuclear war/attack?

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I’m reading it everywhere, starting to feel terrified.

It’s not like covid or even WW1 or WW2, how can I protect my 3 year old? I can’t.

Even the BBC are talking about it as a possibility!

I just want to see my child grow up I feel so sad & scared.

@Nidan2Sandan

All these new posters, posting for the first time about nuclear war. All say the same thing, terrified, cant protect young kids yadda, yadda yadda. It's not like this hasnt been answered a million times this week already.

Putin, is that you?

Oh! I hadn't realised it was lots of new posters. That makes sense. I thought MN had gone a bit batshit crazy.

No there won’t.

All the dick swingers are going to have to cop themselves on. This has been building for decades and there are a lot more players involved than Putin. None of them come out of this well.

The world has been run by assholes for far too long. Their saving grace is that every one of them is greedy enough to want to save their own ass.

Neither side is actually as mad as the other side’s propaganda would have us believe.

@Nidan2Sandan

All these new posters, posting for the first time about nuclear war. All say the same thing, terrified, cant protect young kids yadda, yadda yadda. It's not like this hasnt been answered a million times this week already.

Putin, is that you?

It is very strange isn't it? It's like the influx of new posters that started thread after thread about vaccine "concerns".

@ManicPixie

“ I didn't. I was making a slightly tangential comment about media coverage in response to the post I quoted.”

Strange wording if you didn’t want people to infer it also included the topic of the thread, but ok.

There’s probably a lot to be said on whether the media was actually fear-mongering over the worst global pandemic and uk storm in living memory, but I guess that’s for another time.

It does apply to the subject of this thread of course, but not in they way you are suggesting. There is a difference between reporting events factually and objectively, and the deliberate selection of language and imagary to raise levels of fear. Acknowledging that the media do this is not the same as suggesting the events were not serious. It is sufficient for example to report Putins words regarding nuclear missiles, and allow the reader to draw their own conclusions as to how they feel about it. Yet instead the headlines are 'Putin issues chilling warning to the West' which deliberately provoke feeling of fear. There are countless examples of this type of reporting, and quite unnecessary, as the facts themselves should denote the seriousness of the matter.

If someone managed to assassinate putin, what would likely happen?

Whichever faction took him out would install their own leader, they would probably withdraw from Ukraine on the premise of focusing on internal affairs and the new leader distancing themselves from Putin's decision making, although it's likely they'd leave some sort of fortification on the border to try and appear like it's a tactical retreat rather than a defeat.

@Hospedia also Russia is likely to be in one God awful mess with lots of in house fighting. There would be a power vacuum which the mafia will exploit. I would love Putin to be bumped off but I am not altogether sure he would be replaced by anyone better.

I agree. If someone was to arrange an accident for him or even for him to be arrested and disappeared into the prison system (at which point he'll have an accident), things will be hugely unsettled for many years. I'd expect several leadership changes within quick succession, a rigged election or two, and that the eventual victor will want to make some power moves to prove how iron-fisted they are do there'll be lots of sabre rattling and tensions for years to come.

As awful as it is too, I'd probably expect to see assassinations in other countries as the (hypothetical) new regime would want to get rid of any threats to their powerbase.

Talk about the law of unintended consequences... All the fear mongering and hysteria over covid for the last 2 years has apparently driven one man to the edge of insanity and now the world is potentially as close to all out nuclear war as its ever been, you've got to raise a wry smile to the irony of it all.

Op I'm a single mum to my 4 yr old and I am terrified also. Im really frightened.

I have made a pact with myself that I am not looking at any war related stuff after tonight !! I can’t take anymore of this anxiety, it’s making me sick !! Media headlines are so scary!!
Think of this way, anyone of us could have an accident tomorrow but we are not worried as we know nothing about it !! I have been addicted to these threads and it’s making it a lot worse !!

We can all say no but we don’t know. I’m actually quite scared too

Would you like a nice game of chess? Y/N

@Notlabeled

Would you like a nice game of chess? Y/N

Would you like a nice game of chess? Y/N

Ha!

I don’t think Russia will easily give up their status as the Superpower that holds weapons to keep the other crazy countries in check.

America dropped two bombs on civilians. How they emerged from WWII as the good guys is a bit of a mystery really.

They’re the ones who showed clearly that they didn’t have the moral fortitude to be responsible with that kind of power.

@Notlabeled

Would you like a nice game of chess? Y/N

going to have to rewatch that now.

I think it’s gone from extremely unlikely to very unlikely.

What worries me most is that Putin is clearly not of sound mind. I agree with others that he wants to cling on to power though rather than die which is what would happen if he got the nukes out.

I also think NATO will do everything in their power to avoid a nuclear outcome. Sadly that probably means sacrificing Ukraine.

@LadyCordeliaFitzgerald

I don’t think Russia will easily give up their status as the Superpower that holds weapons to keep the other crazy countries in check.

America dropped two bombs on civilians. How they emerged from WWII as the good guys is a bit of a mystery really.

They’re the ones who showed clearly that they didn’t have the moral fortitude to be responsible with that kind of power.

Might be something to do with the fact that they didn't start the war in the first place or that by dropping the nuclear bombs they forced Japan to surrender, saving countless more lives on all sides.

Oh, and I think America helped out in defeating Hitler, the guy that Putin's vying for the title of "Biggest Cunt in History" with.

@Frazzled2207

I think it’s gone from extremely unlikely to very unlikely.

What worries me most is that Putin is clearly not of sound mind. I agree with others that he wants to cling on to power though rather than die which is what would happen if he got the nukes out.

I also think NATO will do everything in their power to avoid a nuclear outcome. Sadly that probably means sacrificing Ukraine.

It definitely means sacrificing Ukraine. The trouble is, what will they do when Putin sets his eyes on the next target, a former-USSR region that is a member of NATO?

Either they have to get involved in a war with Russia - the whole of NATO, including the UK and the US, making pretty much the whole of Europe and North America a legitimate target in what could quickly escalate into a nuclear war - or, step back and admit the idea that "an attack on one is an attack on all" is just a big lie. Which would mean that Putin believes he can take over more of Europe until there genuinely is a nuclear war.

Putin has repeatedly stated that a world without Russia is a world that doesn't need to exist at all. I fear his view of what an acceptably-sized and powerful Russia is is very different to the views of the rest of us.

Make no mistake - unless Putin is removed from power, there are two realistic outcomes:

1. The former USSR territories are returned to Russia because they invade and NATO doesn't defend them.
2. World War III, probably with nuclear bombs being dropped all over Europe, Russia and North America.

It's highly unlikely but if it did happen, there is no point in worrying about it as there is nothing you can do to prevent it.

You can either spend the time living your life normally, taking pleasure where you normally do or spend it wailing and crying. The sound of the explosion will be the same, the consequences will be the same so why not choose the former option.

In any event, it is highly unlikely. People like to doom monger.

No, it's not going to happen. And if it did, I don't think it will be the situation that everyone describes with everyone just nuking each other left, right and centre. I've read about this extensively because I was so worried by all the scary articles. These Armageddon-type scenarios are all based on the premise that entities would just deploy weapons with zero restraint and the sole aim of obliterating their opponent whatever the cost. Of all the unlikely scenarios where nuclear weapons could potentially be used, I think the absolute least likely is any country starting an all-out nuclear war by just unleashing all of its weapons on cities- how would that help it achieve its aims?

It's right that we have a fear of nuclear weapons. If we were relaxed about their existence or promoted the idea that they could be used in a 'limited' way during conflicts, the risk of them being used would be unacceptable. But, in my opinion, you need to balance that with the knowledge that people want to survive. Even real rotters.

I like to think there will be a huge uprising/coup in Russia sooner rather than later.
Cash machines are running out, assets are devaluing, flights have stopped and borders will close.
Plenty on Twitter suggesting that although it’s still a way off, the foundations are already being built.

Very unlikely to be honest. Try and stop reading, will only increase your anxiety further

No. We were closer to a nuclear war in the sixties and eighties than we are now.