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AIBU?

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AIBU is Actually Invalidating

54 replies

Burgoo · 25/02/2022 09:44

Hi All,

Fairly new here and have some observations about interactions that happen on the site. Here is my first AIBU! Be gentle with me please!

AIBU for wondering whether it is unhealthy to constantly need to seek reassurance from other people about what is "right"?

BTW this isn't a criticism, its just that I find a lot of people often can't judge what they think/feel as being accurate or not. They have often been told for years that they are "being stupid" or "over-reacting" and therefore don't trust their own experience.

Does AIBU perpetuating the belief that we need to get advice from others to validate our position? Whilst I can see some people want validation and at the same time it stops us being able to self-validate.

Again gentle please! Its just an observation.

OP posts:
FluffyBooBoo · 25/02/2022 10:22

Oh your username just brought back such happy memories of my teen years.....what a beautiful man!

Just how old are you Shock

Uttoxerly · 25/02/2022 10:24

I agree with you completely. I’ve posted on here for advice or information about specific issues, but never to ask a bunch of strangers on the internet whether I’m being unreasonable or not - with the greatest respect, I couldn’t give two shits what faceless randomers think of my actions. I’m accountable to myself and try as hard as I can to do the right thing. That’s enough.

Seeking peer validation is a very normal aspect of the human condition though, so I wouldn’t pathologise it too much.

EveryAvenue · 25/02/2022 10:37

YABU. Of course agree with PP that if people are advice from ransoms on the internet regarding really important life decisions then that is problematic. But I really enjoy AIBU for events that aren’t life changing. Sometimes it’s nice to have another opinion on things and asking friends and family is all well and good but they can never be entirely objective because they know you.

EveryAvenue · 25/02/2022 10:37

Taking advice from randoms*

NettleTea · 25/02/2022 10:38

Sometimes AIBU is a prelude to Relationships.
Sometimes women have been gaslit in abusive relationships and actually dont know up from down any more, and AIBU usually is the straw that breaks the camels back - the tiny insignificant to the OP reason that she seeks confirmation of, which often turns out to be the red flag on the shitpile of often years of manipulation.

So it serves its purpose in these scenarios - the women posting often wouldnt even consider the relationships board. many women are isolated, especially with small children.

In other times, yes, people are cross about and want to rant about a situation

And other times the simple cheekyfuckery of people needs to have some air and be shared to the world

And other times yes they are being unreasonable, but dont like being told so.

I like the board. It holds no punches and is often highly entertaining

Burgoo · 27/02/2022 20:00

Its clear that use of irony doesn't work on here. I was using the AIBU space to ask whether asking AIBU is a healthy thing. The "be gentle" comment was tongue in cheek, given how emotive many responses on here seem to be.

I am really curious about why people are getting to defensive here. Its quite interesting. I suspected it would be rather emotive! So well done all!

Personally I don't care if people validate my position or not. I feel it can (not always does) lead people to rely on others to tell them what they are thinking or feeling is correct. Believe in yourselves for goodness sake!

That said, I do now understand the gaslighting element that can lead people to question what they are doing and whether they are being reasonable. Personally I've never had a gas-lighter in my life and I am forceful enough in my views to weather storms of people disagreeing.

Someone else mentioned how people come onto AIBU to be agreed with. I am unsure what the point of that is.

In short, trust yourselves! Maybe I am missing something, I've never had a problem with being told I'm being unreasonable but that's just me.

OP posts:
Burgoo · 27/02/2022 20:02

@NettleTea

That makes more sense! Thanks for the coherent response.

"It holds no punches and is often highly entertaining" - which is curious given the fragile egos (not you).

OP posts:
WomanStanleyWoman · 28/02/2022 03:17

@Burgoo

Its clear that use of irony doesn't work on here. I was using the AIBU space to ask whether asking AIBU is a healthy thing. The "be gentle" comment was tongue in cheek, given how emotive many responses on here seem to be.

I am really curious about why people are getting to defensive here. Its quite interesting. I suspected it would be rather emotive! So well done all!

Personally I don't care if people validate my position or not. I feel it can (not always does) lead people to rely on others to tell them what they are thinking or feeling is correct. Believe in yourselves for goodness sake!

That said, I do now understand the gaslighting element that can lead people to question what they are doing and whether they are being reasonable. Personally I've never had a gas-lighter in my life and I am forceful enough in my views to weather storms of people disagreeing.

Someone else mentioned how people come onto AIBU to be agreed with. I am unsure what the point of that is.

In short, trust yourselves! Maybe I am missing something, I've never had a problem with being told I'm being unreasonable but that's just me.

There was nothing ‘ironic‘ in our post. You deliberately targeted a certain response.
CheshireSplat · 28/02/2022 04:00

@FluffyBooBoo

Oh your username just brought back such happy memories of my teen years.....what a beautiful man!

Just how old are you Shock

Grin
autienotnaughty · 28/02/2022 05:26

It gives people an outside perspective and a place to ask anonymously.

RichTeaRichTea · 28/02/2022 05:30

You’re new to mumsnet. Which means you don’t realise that this section has been criticised for years and years by people with more knowledge of the site than you, and your insight isn’t exactly new.

RichTeaRichTea · 28/02/2022 05:32

I’m not a fan of AIBU as a section for other reasons, but the OP’s viewpoint has been discussed many times.

LemonDrizzles · 28/02/2022 06:33

Aibu is great when you know you are too close to the dish to know if it's too salty or not.

It's also great when you know it is to salty but the other party swears it isn't.

Sometimes an outside perspective helps

Rewis · 28/02/2022 06:39

I don't think most people think they are unreasonable. It's just that in this it has to be formed as a question asking if they are BU and this is the most popular part of the site. If the chat section was more popular then people would post the same stories there as a story instead of a question.

sst1234 · 28/02/2022 06:56

For most posters, AIBU is just another way of saying ‘May I vent’

ChiselandBits · 28/02/2022 07:08

an example from years ago - I was new to the whole childcare thing and my CM said she was unavailable one afternoon. I found an alternative but it was more per hour. I wanted to know if it was reasonable to ask the CM to pay the difference - ridiculous and embarrassing with hindsight but I genuinely didn't know how it worked. AIBU was a bit gentler back then but I got fairly short shrift.

I worry about the minutiae that some people ask about, but then I also worry for the number of people on here who are so crippled by social anxiety that a totally normal thing like taking your kid to school is a massive psychological issue - modern life seems to be almost impossible for an alarming number of people.

AIBU has been and can be criticised frequently but actually there are enough of us on here who will point genuinely distressed posters to more appropriate parts of the site and try to deflect the vipers where necessary.

ManicPixie · 28/02/2022 07:39

This section of the forum is definitely addictive but I agree that some of the queries are totally infantile (or know damn well they’re in the right and just want others to say it).

5YearsLeft · 28/02/2022 07:43

Sometimes AIBU is a prelude to Relationships. Sometimes women have been gaslit in abusive relationships and actually dont know up from down any more, and AIBU usually is the straw that breaks the camels back - the tiny insignificant to the OP reason that she seeks confirmation of, which often turns out to be the red flag on the shitpile of often years of manipulation.

Maybe this is one of its most important functions. Well, there are three important functions, in my opinion.

First, a woman can come on here and make a small comment about the way their husband treats them and they’re testing the waters when they ask AIBU. But a HUGE amount of users can spot an abuser a mile away, either because they’ve been abused, or they lived with an abuser (father, stepfather), or someone else they love was abused. Sometimes, these threads get moved to Relationships, but sometimes they stay in AIBU because the OP is getting the support they need. There are women who have started AIBU threads and ended up leaving terribly abusive men.

And then there are two other reasons.
1. British (and often female) fear of confrontation. I don’t want to make a TAAT, but recently on one about movie seats, someone considered telling another individual that they were sitting in your seats “a confrontation.” How many threads involve the words “I’m a people pleaser” or “I fear confrontation”? So when you as a woman have that low of a level of self-assertion, then you become very unsure of yourself. I’m not saying this is EVERY British woman, of course it’s not, and a lot of women in every culture are socialized this way unfortunately, made to feel unreasonable when they’re standing up for what they need, when they’re right, but no, if no one feared confrontation, half of AIBU would be gone. And it’s not a surprise to me that Reddit is both more male dominated and more American and their advice board equivalent to this is called, “Am I the asshole?” No fears of being unreasonable, just either I’m the arsehole, or the other person is. Shrug. It’s a very different way to view things, in my opinion. One of the strongest things on MN is other women supporting a woman and saying NO, you’re NOT unreasonable; you deserve X, or you have the right to say or do X.

And third…

  1. People come here to ask for help they can’t ask for. I came on this board when I got my terminal diagnosis. Of course, in some ways, I knew it was fine to be upset and not unreasonable to feel angry. What I didn’t share was the occasional suicidal feelings I was having. People responding, people caring, random internet strangers who came together more than any of the blood relatives I have left (both of a blessing and a curse that I’d lost both the people who raised me before I got my diagnosis). I know there’s a life-limiting illness board, but it’s a lot slower, and if I hadn’t received any responses… I don’t know what I would have done. That thread convinced me to take up photography again. It forced me to start an Instagram (I felt like a dinosaur, even though I’m YOUNG!). I even started a blog, that I admittedly need to write in more. But if I hadn’t posted on AIBU, I wouldn’t have had the support I needed to get out of bed.

People sometimes come to AIBU because they need to know it’s not unreasonable to feel alone with whatever their problem is, and to feel desperate for someone to just answer. I did. I don’t regret it. Without MN, I don’t know where I’d be right now. But none of these photos would exist without the thread I started at my darkest time, and the people who posted in it.

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timeforteaforyouandme · 28/02/2022 07:46

So you don't actually have a question but are just showing off your analysis? Lovely

IglesiasPiggl · 28/02/2022 07:47

I suppose we never really know what other channels people are using as well. They may have posted on AIBU alongside talking with friends, family etc, so it's really just a small part of their investigation. What definitely does happen sometimes though is you get posts from people who have already decided they aren't being unreasonable, so you get threads that go:
OP: AIBU?
The whole thread : Yes you are
OP: No I am not, la, la, la can't hear you!

They make me smile and I do wonder why they bothered posting sometimes.

MoonOnASpoon · 28/02/2022 07:55

God AIBU has helped me so much and is where I come when I need to get a clear understanding of things. Being in a gaslighting relationship with a passive-aggressive “mr nice guy” messed with my head and I really needed to know what was going on and if it was reasonable for me to be upset by things when he was telling me I wasn’t, or that he didn’t know what I was talking about. It was one of several factors that gave me the strength to leave. It’s also helped with situations with difficult relatives and all kinds of everyday situations, including threads other people have started. I love it because you get to discuss the reality of a situation, and it legitimises honest disagreement.

However I have to say I never really understand why anyone finds it scary or sees it as some kind of lion’s den. If I am being unreasonable I don’t mind being told that, I don’t mind having a discussion where people disagree with me, and if people get really nasty I ignore them, I don’t join in with spats or abuse. So maybe I’m thick-skinned and maybe you need to be, but I really appreciate AIBU.

It’s a cliche but maybe it’s partly a Yorkshire thing? I like bluntness and an honest exchange of views and find that much easier than people pussyfooting around or being fake. But I have noticed that not everyone is the same!

IglesiasPiggl · 28/02/2022 08:14

@RichTeaRichTea

You’re new to mumsnet. Which means you don’t realise that this section has been criticised for years and years by people with more knowledge of the site than you, and your insight isn’t exactly new.
Why so snippy? Pretty much every topic on Mumsnet has been discussed many times if you've been around a while. Parking across driveways, wedding angst, abusive partners, school places, an edit button on here, a like button on here, CF relatives, and so the list goes on....
TottersBlankly · 28/02/2022 08:21

Lord … There’s nothing in the world more tedious than someone who arrives on MN and immediately writes an essay to tell everyone here how unsatisfactory MN is.

And then explains to us that they’re using irony. And that we’re all defensive

Bore. Off.

RichTeaRichTea · 28/02/2022 08:23

Didn’t think I was being snippy. Just always amusing when people think they have unveiled some startling new insight based on a little bit of time spent here.

RichTeaRichTea · 28/02/2022 08:24

There you go, I was being fairly polite by AIBU standards!