...to not be distraught about the war in Ukraine

[donquixotedelamancha]

AIBU to have no clue why so many people on MN are so worried?

In my lifetime there have been many terrible wars in other countries and this country has been to war five times. This war doesn't involve us and any effects on us will be minor compared to what we've just experienced.

I completely understand people feeling worried for Ukrainians (as for any country in crisis) but why so much worry for us?

And op sure has a lot of loyal mumsnet posters desperate to say she’s the real deal eh…

You know you can search people's posting history, right?

@Shadowsense

And op sure has a lot of loyal mumsnet posters desperate to say she’s the real deal eh…

Ok, I think the OP wasn’t in particularly great taste/tone. It’s less than 24 hours since the first strike, people will be concerned, but using words like distraught will get peoples backs up a bit.

All that aside, your posts are coming across as rather batshit - sorry, couldn’t think of a better way to put it. If you have concerns about the OP, then report the posts. But you’re not coming across well on this thread. In these days of misinformation, maybe you’re a bot trying to pull a double-bluff!

And op sure has a lot of loyal mumsnet posters desperate to say she’s the real deal eh…

Oh the irony, you've literally just NC today :-)

Gosh, what a thread!
My concern is that David Lammy, Shadow Foreign Secretary no less, believes a male person can "grow a cervix"!! I mean, really? With that level of education?? We're doomed..... regardless of Putin's territorial ambitions....

there is nothing sane or rational about what Putin is doing, the man is clearly mad and I wouldn't anything out with this lunatic

Regardless of what impact it may or may not have on us over here... Empathy. Seeing people who are so terrified they've leapt into their cars not knowing where their final destination may be but just knowing that home doesn't feel safe anymore. People are reacting because it's horrific and feels like history repeating itself.

Exactly this. Have some compassion for without it the world is doomed.

Well some people are over anxious, but most people are just concerned about our ever worsening global stability, which has horrendous social and economic side effects.

You know this, surely.

Just assuming (from your eye roll inducing op) that you only care about things that only affect you, the average energy bill is now set to be £3000 a year due to this. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60506940

Yabvu

@Woahthehorsey

I’m explaining why people are so concerned. As this war is a threat to us and democracy’s, then it’s inevitable people will be concerned. Not to mention prices rising, cyber attacks etc, it causes destabilisation. Not everyone allows it to concern them off course but everyone has their own coping mechanism. If the war wasn’t a direct threat or had implications for us, less concern would be shown in general.

What's going on is horrendous obviously. I do feel for people from the Ukraine and the majority of Russians who didn't actually want this.
However I and a lot of others have problems of their own. They are not as serious as war but they are my personal problems so I'm afraid I'm going to focus on them rather than on anything going on abroad.
With all the other problems in the UK I'm surprised anyone has the energy to worry about what might or might not happen.
I also don't watch the news excessively as they tend to sensationalise things.

Amazing how far some people’s head is in the sand - but that also plays into Putin’s hands. We’ll make a sacrificial lamb of the Ukraine in the hope that he stays out of NATO territory when we’ll have no choice. I don’t mean that flippantly at all, I hate what’s happening in the Ukraine but do we want UK troops fighting a Russian army with China backing. Too horrible to think about, felt sick all day

Because this isn't a war like we have had before where we were guaranteed to win. We are now dealing with a superpower that has a completely unhinged maniac in charge. It's a bit worrying. Yes there is a lot of hysteria on MN tonight but it really does have the potential to become a world wide war,

I have to agree with you OP, I do sympathise massively with those who are actually being affected right now. I just don’t get the panic and the scaremongering, it’s helping no one and fuelling anxiety. The uk aren’t currently at war, I’ll save my thoughts for the poor people who are.

@FrecklesMalone

One of my main worries is that people pertaining to be as ignorant as you have a vote.

Love this!

The sanctions will hit us too and the cost of living likely to rise further.

There’s a risk of nuclear weapons being used.

Putin is power hungry and unpredictable - a scary combination that’s showing hints of Hitler’s style.

We’re already seeing heightened level of cyber attacks.

Why wouldn’t you be nervous. Even if bombs don’t fall, it’s naive to think we won’t be affected.

Many Eastern European people live in this country and are our friends.

I’m in a military town with Navy, Army and RAF so many families are related to those in the forces and they’re currently either being deployed or on standby.

But the reason we can do nothing now is because the Ukraine issue has been punted while Russia has funded separatists, annexed Crimea, spread propaganda in the east and wages a low level proxy war

You're deviating from your initial post of people being scared a little (imo), but the reason we can't do nothing now is why we couldn't do anything then. Ukraine was a buffer state, there are plenty of people still around today who thinks the west/NATO is to blame, the modern tabloid reader is trying to equate a geopolitical situation as somehow pushing an alternative story because they follow an opinion on twitter.

People can be concerned because the situation has many endings, I agree with the shaking and crying angle or my child cried about the prospect of ww3 type posts, but however this plays out it will effect us

@Jewel52

Amazing how far some people’s head is in the sand - but that also plays into Putin’s hands. We’ll make a sacrificial lamb of the Ukraine in the hope that he stays out of NATO territory when we’ll have no choice. I don’t mean that flippantly at all, I hate what’s happening in the Ukraine but do we want UK troops fighting a Russian army with China backing. Too horrible to think about, felt sick all day

Exactly this.We already have British troops in increasing numbers arriving to reinforce NATO borders in eastern Europe. Are we confident Putin will stop at Ukraine? I'm not. If a single shot is fired near a NATO country our troops will be involved and God knows what will happen. ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-military-reinforcing-eastern-europe-amid-russian-tensions/

"Anyone who is more concerned about X than me is driven by emotion. I am driven by logic."

X can be covid, Putin invading Ukraine - insert your issue of choice.

Just so long as we're all clear about the demarcation there between the sensible people who agree with me and the emotional people who only do what the news/social media/whatever tells them.

I think it’s potential that we go to war with Russia and fight along with Ukraine however I believe this would be external-can’t see having an internal war soon despite power hungry putin.

Tbh, I’d have thought if fairly obvious why people are worried.

Some people are worried because when a superpower threatens the world with retaliation not seen before in history they remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki and really don’t want to be hit by something worse.
Some people are worried because they see parallels between Russia now and Germany in the 1930s.
Some people are worried because we are already facing a cost of living crisis and the economic sanctions announced against Russia will likely make that worse.
Some people are worried because they are emotionally affected by the videos from Ukraine on TV.

All of these worries are reasonable, as long as the people can still function normally. Many find it easier to not think about all the bad things that could happen. But others find it easier if they can talk it through and process the potential implications. Neither is wrong, they’re just different.

We’re already seeing heightened level of cyber attacks

No we haven't, bot networks have increased on small domains but they are coming from India/Pakistan etc, Russia and China havent ramped it up yet as they know everyone has eyes on the networks

@donquixotedelamancha

People are worried because amongst other things it's a terrible thing to happen. I am minded of the post WWII poem first they came by Martin Niemöller.

I'll just leave it here:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

@BoredZelda

No, but I wouldn't call him sane either.

I'd call him unpredictable.

Unstable is another good word.

@Shadowsense

Again, please read all the pro Russian posts here. He could nuke us etc etc. Forums such as this shape thought and Russia knows this therefore will be posting

Are you saying all fear mongering posts about nuclear war etc are posted by Russian bots?