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To spend 5% of my take-home income on coffee instead of debt...

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zabindya · 23/02/2022 05:21

...if that amount comes to £250 a month, or £3,000 a year?

I'm not sure which is the more honest way to look at it. Just did my accounts and got a shock at how much I'm spending. I always thought "stop buying lattes so you can afford a house!!" was an out-of-touch boomer thing to say, but now I'm wondering if they were right...!

My income has increased massively over the last couple years, after a lot of investment on my part including significant student debt and private loans. On one hand 5% seems small, on the other hand £3k seems very meaningful! (And I probably spend a similar amount again on delivery/takeaway...) I'm struggling to adjust to how to think about these big numbers compared to what I'm used to. Any suggestions? (Bracing myself for responses Grin)

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thewhatsit · 23/02/2022 07:43

Are you using a foldable reusable cup? Because they usually give you money off your takeaway cup if you don’t need a cup.

I would stop getting coffee so regularly as a habit but not rule it out on the occasions someone asks you for a coffee/ chat and it’ll be useful or enjoyable.

1Micem0use · 23/02/2022 07:47

@Actiongirl1978 I've been thinking about getting a past coffee subscription. Do you find you get enough coffee? Did you get the drip coffee maker?

Needmoresleep · 23/02/2022 07:47

You need some luxury in your life. You also need some social interaction.

Budget for it when you look at your overall spend.

Luxury. Buy really nice coffee (I recommend the Ethiopian Coffee Company) and a portable coffee maker like an Aeropress that you can keep in the office or a flask. Or think of other cheap luxury items. When I really have a shopping urge and want to treat myself, I buy soap.

Socialising. If you are meeting others for coffee don't get anything fancy and see the price as time spent in a venue (and cheaper than a wine bar.) But look to alternatives. Meet a friend for lunch in a park on a sunny day with sandwiches and flask coffee.

Bunnycat101 · 23/02/2022 07:47

It is a lot but sometimes small pleasures do matter. I’ve had periods where I’ve tried to break my coffee habits but generally return. I’ve been more successful when I’ve transferred the money I would have spent on coffee to a separate account. I did that once and got to £1k. I then spent it on a mulberry handbag so pretty frivolous tbh but it does all add up.

BarbaraofSeville · 23/02/2022 07:48

@zabindya

Haha, obviously I definitely should spend less on coffee. Actually the reason I checked in the first place was that I realised how many daily shots of coffee I was having and had a heart attack about that, so I think my immediate solution will be to just cut back on coffee overall!

If I'm looking for advice, maybe it's something along the lines of how do you know when lifestyle inflation is properly becoming a problem?

I have a 2-year plan to pay off my loans which so far I'm on track to do (using the other 95% of my salary). 5k a year would help me pay it a couple months faster. But working in the City there are so many things you need to do to keep up. Brunches, drinks, coffees... I don't want to turn down the chance to network because of a £3 latte, which would have seemed ridiculously expensive to me before. But equally the same logic applies to spending £3k on a ski trip with the same people, so where does it end?

But is it 5% on coffee, 95% on loan repayments? What about other living costs? Even if you live at home rent free, you must be paying for travel, clothes, phone as a minimum.

What are you planning to pay off in 2 years? Are these official student loans or something else? It's not generally advised to pay off student loans but, as a high earner, you could be one of those where it's actually beneficial, although you should consider it alongside other priorities at your stage of life, eg house deposit.

Because, while the student loan company interest rate may seem high, it should be considered alongside the cost of rent that you may pay while saving for a house deposit, ie it may be worth paying the interest and save for a house deposit as fast as possible, because this reduces the amount of rent you pay. But this is probably only a consideration for the minority who are expected to pay off their student loans.

But it is an interesting question, especially amongst the wider 'I always thought "stop buying lattes so you can afford a house!!" was an out-of-touch boomer thing to say, but now I'm wondering if they were right' consideration, because it depends what you are spending your money on in general.

If it's not just a couple of daily coffees, but those and a whole host of other 'lifestyle' expenses that the young commonly spend their money on that mostly didn't exist or were much less widespread when older people bought, then it could make a huge difference to your finances depending on how often you do/buy those things and it's really worth looking at how much you spend on things like coffees, lunches, takeaways, mobile phones, clothes, beauty treatments etc, going out, holidays, cars, etc etc, because some people can be spending £1-2k+ on these every month, so there really is significant scope to cut back without having to do without completely, so is likely to be worth doing if you have a beneficial financial goal such as getting out of debt or saving for a house deposit.

Food for thought?

hidinginthegarden · 23/02/2022 07:49

When I got a big promotion and was earning a lot more than I had been someone gave me a book called Seimming with piranha makes you hungry. It talks about how you see other people making more materialistic changes and why you want / deserve it too! It's probably 20 years old but really struck a chord with me (it's on Amazon). And helped me identify what was actually necessary!! It's lot to spend on coffee/ takeaways and I'm sure you could easily cut it down'

C8H10N4O2 · 23/02/2022 07:50

@zabindya

Haha, obviously I definitely should spend less on coffee. Actually the reason I checked in the first place was that I realised how many daily shots of coffee I was having and had a heart attack about that, so I think my immediate solution will be to just cut back on coffee overall!

If I'm looking for advice, maybe it's something along the lines of how do you know when lifestyle inflation is properly becoming a problem?

I have a 2-year plan to pay off my loans which so far I'm on track to do (using the other 95% of my salary). 5k a year would help me pay it a couple months faster. But working in the City there are so many things you need to do to keep up. Brunches, drinks, coffees... I don't want to turn down the chance to network because of a £3 latte, which would have seemed ridiculously expensive to me before. But equally the same logic applies to spending £3k on a ski trip with the same people, so where does it end?

250ukp per month on coffee when you are trying to pay off debts seems a lot but if its part of establishing a business network than it can equally be an investment.

So how much return does the past twelve months coffee spend show? Have you sold more work, found a new job, capitalised on the contacts? Have you shown a return that matches the expense? If not then its less networking and more simple socialising.

Nothing wrong with socialising but you can cut the cost of that and balance it against paying off a loan.

findingsomeone · 23/02/2022 07:53

I feel like we spend a lot on coffee, don't think it's that much though. And we have been on the housing ladder for seven years, so it's disposable income after all bills etc that's sitting around that we spend. If you're hoping to get on the housing ladder it's nuts spending that much, could definitely tighten your spending in other areas too and probably make a big difference to savings Smile

findingsomeone · 23/02/2022 07:54

Oh and there are two of us and I think it's still less than £250 a month! Probably £100. And I've been berating myself for that 🙊

Everydaydayisaschoolday · 23/02/2022 07:55

That's crazy money. That's 5 pairs of Jimmy Choos a year. Or a cruise. Or a 1 carat diamond ring after 3 years. Talk about pissing your money up the wall!

You work in the city so as PPs have said, there is a Pret on every corner. Their coffee subscription has just gone up to £25 a month and that will get you 5 coffees a day. That's a tenth of what you are spending now. If 5 coffees a day isn't enough for maybe you could set up a second email account and subscribe again on that!

chatw0o0 · 23/02/2022 07:55

so you're drinking 3-4 cups of coffee a day? How about cutting back to 1 or 2 (AM and PM)? That still gives enough time/opportunity to have a coffee with colleagues or others in the workplace. Doesn't seem to be a very big life puzzle!

emmarocks · 23/02/2022 08:05

On a completely different point how did you manage to increase your income so significantly- any tips? DH needs a new career direction after redundancy!

GnomeDePlume · 23/02/2022 08:07

I wonder if some of it is the 'I've made it into the big time, I've arrived' feeling. Do you feel like you are making up for lost time?

Take a look at those networking groups. Is it all the same people? If so do you really need to be there every time? Just how much networking do you really need to do?

Is this really about coffee or about having the trappings of a more extravagant lifestyle?

MintyFreshBreath · 23/02/2022 08:10

We were spending quite a bit on hot chocolate (don’t like coffee) £80 on a velvetiser and £20-30 a month on chocolate to go in it and we’ve easily made our money back plus saved loads. I know we could save even more if we bought Cadbury’s and didn’t have the velvetiser but it’s our one little luxury and works out so cheap after the initial outlay.

Nikkiten · 23/02/2022 08:11

3k isn’t a house deposit though is it. You’d need to not buy coffee out for over 8 years to save for the average deposit. I don’t disagree that 3k on coffee is a waste but you aren’t buying a house with that saving.

topcat2014 · 23/02/2022 08:14

Wouldn't it be good if you could buy coffee in supermarkets in jars or something..

ChateauMargaux · 23/02/2022 08:14

Take a look around at the lifestyle you are buying into.. .. followed by what happens to those people a few years down the line. Look at the overused phrase of 'burnout' and see what over production of adrenaline and cortisol does to your body and your brain. Add coffee into that, join the dots and predict the future.

Swap your coffee for the hippie option, turn down a few networking opportunities in favour of some rest and sleep and live better longer.

Gowithme · 23/02/2022 08:14

Can't you just network/meet in the office? Why do you need to go to a coffee shop 3 or 4 times a day to do it? I think you need to put in some boundaries and stop convincing yourself it's a necessity.
3k a year - when it sounds like you've got massive debts - is huge. You need some enjoyment out of like but you could go on an amazing holiday for that and I know which I'd rather.

zabindya · 23/02/2022 08:18

@GnomeDePlume

I wonder if some of it is the 'I've made it into the big time, I've arrived' feeling. Do you feel like you are making up for lost time?

Take a look at those networking groups. Is it all the same people? If so do you really need to be there every time? Just how much networking do you really need to do?

Is this really about coffee or about having the trappings of a more extravagant lifestyle?

This is a big part of it, thanks for summing it up so well.

£250 is my general coffee shop bill so includes getting a pastry etc etc. Pretty easy to spend £10 in one hit actually. But for the sake of my wallet AND my waistline I will definitely cut back. Going to try going cold turkey next month wish me luck.

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InvisibleDragon · 23/02/2022 08:18

I'm going to say something a bit different here.

It sounds like you are working in a high paid job already, presumably with opportunity for promotion. What would your pay rise be if you get promoted? What are the bonuses like? Because if the jump in money is a lot, the quickest way to save a deposit isn't to be frugal now but to do everything you can to get promoted. So if the coffees and the takeaways are helping you to do that faster, do it.

A few caveats though:

  • You are only young once. Don't compromise your health (too much takeaway and coffee ... 4 per day is a lot of caffeine) just for career success. It isn't worth it.
-If you are in an expensive area you might end up with a huge mortgage. Particularly if your mortgage broker/bank encourages you to borrow the maximum you can afford. That will mean you are stuck in your job or one with a similar salary until the mortgage is paid. Is that what you want for the next 20 years?
UserBotLurking9to5 · 23/02/2022 08:19

Tesco do their own cheaper

To spend 5% of my take-home income on coffee instead of debt...
Chippingin2 · 23/02/2022 08:20

I was just saying yesterday that I wish I'd saved some of the thousands and thousands I used to spend on coffees, takeaways etc. I always felt like I needed a little boost or something to make the long hours easier.

Now we have 3 kids and a massive mortgage, I'm wistfully thinking of that money. Every money would have made the difference now.

I have new routines to treat myself that require a bit of preparation. It works. Coffee shop coffee is now a proper treat that I savour

SugarAndCoffee · 23/02/2022 08:20

I would at least ask for half decaf

Chippingin2 · 23/02/2022 08:21

@zabindya Good luck!

actiongirl1978 · 23/02/2022 08:23

@1Micem0use it depends.

DH drinks full caffeine beans that he grinds and doesn't get through quite one bag a week.

I get decaf ready ground and it arrives Tuesday and I've usually finished it by Saturday!

We use ours in a gaggie classic or the aeropress at work.

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