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AIBU to challenge my friend about this relationship (and mine with her)?

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 20/02/2022 00:58

I mentioned this friend on a thread on the Relationships board recently (it was on a story about ghosting, I think) to highlight how she was being played with in a similar way to that OP. I've seen this friend tonight and come home with a slightly sick feeling. In a nutshell, she struck up an online relationship with this man in August, but they've never met yet. He's been giving her all kinds of excuses and she's been challenging that but he says "you know how it is" (referring to the 'reasons'). I've told her he's playing her for a fool. They've never met, but he keeps talking about other women, she gets jealous and upset and he blocks her, then unblocks her and contacts her again a few days later after she's sobbed herself to sleep night after night. Just stringing it out. It's quite frankly ridiculous.

I don't even bring him up, but she did this evening and said she'd told him I'm her best friend and she talks to me a lot. He said "Do you like Saffron?" so she said of course she did, we were friends going back many years. "No, I mean do you LIKE Saffron?" He asked if we had ever had a lesbian relationship, and if not, if we would, and could she a) film it and send it him or b) could he come and watch.

Whilst I'm there getting more goggle eyed, she told me he'd said "Saffron sounds really nice, will she be my friend on Facebook and can I have her number?" She even told him where I work, but says she has not given him my surname. Even so, I would be easy to find. I am furious. I was concerned that she had sent him pictures of me but she says she hasn't and wouldn't.

I told her to tell him to go to hell. This appalled me; I wouldn't be in that kind of situation with a man in the first place, but the moment a male "friend" of mine said disrespectful things about one of my oldest friends, he'd be cancelled.

She then told me about him going to a workingmen's club twice a week and on one one particular evening this friend of his comes in with his wife - who he referred to as Dragon. He told my friend that "Dragon's tits come in the door before she does" and that she wears low cleavage tops and dresses to flaunt her assets. He told her that he is a "boob man" and he'd like to bury his face in them. I told her that was completely unacceptable and she said she knew, and it upset her because she thought he preferred Dragon to her!!!! No, I said it is unacceptable because he is objectifying women and he is a tosser. I can't believe she missed the point so terribly.

Anyway, long story to set the scene, but how the hell do I deal with this? I've never had a conversation like this with anyone and I'm shocked. Not for prudish reasons, but for the whole level of disrespect.

They've never even met, they've spoken on the phone and Messenger, and only shared photos of each other. Not even Zoom. I'm shocked that she would potentially damage a lifelong friendship for the sake of some perverted nutcase on Facebook.

Thoughts? Comments? Thanks.

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RobertSmithsLipstick · 20/02/2022 01:07

I think I would have to pull right back from her, otherwise you'll be dragged into his sordid mind games.
She sounds well and truly hooked, and I'm not sure I would trust her, to be honest.

Why on earth has she told him stuff about you?

It's bizarre!

UnsuitableHat · 20/02/2022 01:15

Sounds pretty awful. What did she say when you said tell him to go to hell?

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 20/02/2022 01:15

@RobertSmithsLipstick

I think I would have to pull right back from her, otherwise you'll be dragged into his sordid mind games. She sounds well and truly hooked, and I'm not sure I would trust her, to be honest.

Why on earth has she told him stuff about you?

It's bizarre!

I think she just mentioned me as in he asked what she'd been up to and she said "my friend called round" that sort of thing and then he picked it up and ran with it.

He sounds nuts.

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RobertSmithsLipstick · 20/02/2022 01:18

He does sound really unpleasant.
It gives me a really uneasy feeling for some reason.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 20/02/2022 01:19

@UnsuitableHat

Sounds pretty awful. What did she say when you said tell him to go to hell?
She said I couldn't convince her to stop talking to him because they get on really well and she hopes something will come of the relationship ....
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sweetbellyhigh · 20/02/2022 01:24

This is all kinds of sick.

He is not looking for a date, he is probably not even in the same country.

He is after pornography and your friend is a moron.

I would draw the line at this point and tell her straight you couldn't have anything more to do with her because she has broken your trust by sharing information about you with a potentially dangerous stranger.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 20/02/2022 01:29

@sweetbellyhigh

This is all kinds of sick.

He is not looking for a date, he is probably not even in the same country.

He is after pornography and your friend is a moron.

I would draw the line at this point and tell her straight you couldn't have anything more to do with her because she has broken your trust by sharing information about you with a potentially dangerous stranger.

I thought he was from another country at first, but after she told me this tonight I looked him up. He actually is in the same country, the same county, the next town. I know who he is, have checked him out tonight when I got home and found him on a local forum (where she 'met' him) where others who were at school with him have interacted with him, so he's genuinely who he says he is. I've found him on The Phone Book From BT and 192.com. I thought I would need this info if he gets in touch with me through her info and makes a nuisance of himself.

He is also genuinely an absolute melt and my friend is acting like a lovesick teenager. I can't believe she can't see the potential danger and stupidity of her behaviour.

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Totalwasteofpaper · 20/02/2022 05:58

Your friend would not be my friend.

I would (personally) tell her in NO uncertain terms VA TExT and Email that this situation is totally strange and toxic. You want no part.
you are no longer friends she is not to contact you and you will file a report with the police if she or he contact you.

Separately the whole things disturbing and makes fr uneasy reading You can Log and file this off record with the police via Nonemergency line against hs name and hers.

sweetbellyhigh · 20/02/2022 06:43

He is also genuinely an absolute melt*

What does that mean?*

TopCatsTopHat · 20/02/2022 06:49

If this is for real and this is the company you keep... Good luck.

pollygartertidywife · 20/02/2022 07:05

You are going to have to be brutal and then step back.

Tell her what is obvious. He lives in the next town and can't find time to meet ? There is nothing sane about that behaviour. No matter what excuse.

He is a porn addict with a desperate need to have his ego stroked. He is a professional head fuck. He will NEVER meet her. Has probably got a whole library of compromising photos from her to wank over.. along with those from all the other sad lonely women he is doing the same thing to.

Be frank and tell her this . Then cut her out of your life until she sees sense.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 20/02/2022 09:13

@TopCatsTopHat

If this is for real and this is the company you keep... Good luck.
Of course it IS for real. I don't have time for trolling and I am not that immature. Also it's not something I want to share amongst my friends as it is NOT indicative of the "company I keep". It's completely alien which is why it has shocked me and I don't want to tell other friends about it.

Ta for the input though Grin

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 20/02/2022 09:14

@sweetbellyhigh

He is also genuinely an absolute melt*

What does that mean?*

An absolute idiot.
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Dillydollydingdong · 20/02/2022 09:36

Unbelievable. What sort of fool assumes that we have sex with our friends, and even worse, that he'd be allowed to share film of it? Disgusting and scary - even worse if he lives locally. I'd cut contact. He sounds dangerous - and your friend is a deluded idiot.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 20/02/2022 10:47

@Totalwasteofpaper - I am going to contact the police just in case there is any contact or anything happens.

I feel very sad about this because I've confided in her about things to do with my ex (who she advised me to leave!) and traumatic things that happened to me when I was a teenager and being raped by a (different) ex. I would be mortified if she is sharing that level of detail with a total stranger.

She said that he says things to her like her voice is like velvet and he "just wants to hold her in his arms" - I just laughed. She asked me that surely I like people telling me nice things and that I'm beautiful? I told her no, I don't need to I can just look in the mirror and see it for myself!!! Hahah!!!! But on a serious note, I feel very betrayed personally, as well as concerned for her.

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Totalwasteofpaper · 20/02/2022 12:29

Not sure what happened to the formatting in my earlier post. Confused

But honestly do log with the police off record (I had to do this for something else and they were very good about it)

And you need to drop her like a stone.
She is the proverbial drowning man, you threw the life ring out, she won't grab it but wants you to wade out onto the lake so she can drag you down with her.

Run, don't walk.

HW1989 · 20/02/2022 13:25

They both sound nuts. If you can’t make her see sense stay far far away.

WouldIwasShookspeared · 20/02/2022 13:31

Tell her you don't want to hear any more about him and she is not to mention you to him ever again or give him any information about you and if he does contact you because of information she has given him you will be reporting him and doing your own search, finding his partner and telling her what a toad she's with.

Cos he's in a relationship. I will bet anything he is.

Tothemoonandbackx · 20/02/2022 14:57

Her self esteem is bitterly low, otherwise she wouldn't fall for such an awful man. I learnt that the hard way once, but told myself never again. She needs to spend time away from her phone and block him for her own sanity and actually meet someone in real life. I honestly can't get over that she's allowing him to do this and they haven't even met, I bet he's rubbing his knees every day over this!!

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 20/02/2022 15:36

@Tothemoonandbackx

Her self esteem is bitterly low, otherwise she wouldn't fall for such an awful man. I learnt that the hard way once, but told myself never again. She needs to spend time away from her phone and block him for her own sanity and actually meet someone in real life. I honestly can't get over that she's allowing him to do this and they haven't even met, I bet he's rubbing his knees every day over this!!
It really is terrible. It's bothered me all morning. I've decided what I'm going to do - if I confront her in person she will start crying, telling me she needs someone to cuddle etc. I'm going to write her a real letter - she is rubbish at opening emails and it's too long for a text - telling her what I feel. I haven't worked it all out yet what I will say. Then I'll leave it and see if she gets in touch with me.

I seriously think if I walked away she wouldn't care because he matters more than me or other real people.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 23/02/2022 21:00

It's now transpired that this guy has been pestering the hairdresser where he went to have his hair cut, and is targeting random women who he likes the look of on a group page sending messages "Hey I want to know where you live, message me back x". I guess I will just have to let it run and probably be there for her when it all hits the fan, as it will. But probably with severe consequences to her mental and physical health, sadly.

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Speakuptomakeyourselfheard · 23/02/2022 21:22

How did you find out this latest info? Surely you should tell her what you know, and then write the letter you planned on.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/02/2022 00:48

@Speakuptomakeyourselfheard

How did you find out this latest info? Surely you should tell her what you know, and then write the letter you planned on.
Sleuthing. Just call me Hermione Poirot. She refused to tell me the man's name (childish, I know), but I knew his first name as it kept popping up on her phone when I was there. She told me how they 'met' on a forum and I joined the forum, searched for guys with that first name and there were only two, the other one being an 18 year old university student. So I checked him out unbeknown to her on Saturday night. I also found his address and phone number on 192.com and the BT online phonebook. So at least he is not pretending to be a US air marshal, but is being honest about being a delivery driver from a nearby town.

He had two friends, both women (that is now down to one). Also his list of people he was following were all women and girls. I simply contacted a few if them by Messenger, asking how they knew him and saying a friend of mine was embroiled with him and I had concerns. Two of them got back to me, one being a hairdresser who he had pestered after he went to her salon only last week. He sent her a friend request and she accepted, then he sent lots of ridiculous messages and she unfriended and blocked him. The other woman was on the follow list and wasn't even aware. She said he had sent her several messages firstly asking where she was from and to write back and then "you ignoring me" "what have I done wrong" stuff that only appeared today. Now blocked.

I'm going to find it hard to confront my friend as she doesn't realise I know who he is and I am going to have to admit to my detective work. So I'm just keeping a close eye on it for now. I am glad though that at least I have discovered he is bad news, he is trouble. My mate is probably the only daft airhead who entertains him. He is seriously creepy.

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DreamTheMoors · 24/02/2022 03:28

This happened to me.
I met a guy from Australia online, spent months chatting.
One day, he said he was going to go to Hawaii (I’m in California) & hinted that he wanted to meet me there. I felt uncomfortable, since we’d never met.
I mentioned my best friend, who’s Hawaiian. He made nasty remarks about Hawaiian women, which was bizarre and unacceptable. I said either apologize, or fuck off.
He doubled down, so I said fuck off and die, and hung up and blocked him.
Haven’t spoken to him since.
NOBODY disrespects my friends and lives to talk about it.

urbanbuddha · 24/02/2022 03:49

She said I couldn't convince her to stop talking to him because they get on really well and she hopes something will come of the relationship

Wow.