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AIBU to challenge my friend about this relationship (and mine with her)?

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 20/02/2022 00:58

I mentioned this friend on a thread on the Relationships board recently (it was on a story about ghosting, I think) to highlight how she was being played with in a similar way to that OP. I've seen this friend tonight and come home with a slightly sick feeling. In a nutshell, she struck up an online relationship with this man in August, but they've never met yet. He's been giving her all kinds of excuses and she's been challenging that but he says "you know how it is" (referring to the 'reasons'). I've told her he's playing her for a fool. They've never met, but he keeps talking about other women, she gets jealous and upset and he blocks her, then unblocks her and contacts her again a few days later after she's sobbed herself to sleep night after night. Just stringing it out. It's quite frankly ridiculous.

I don't even bring him up, but she did this evening and said she'd told him I'm her best friend and she talks to me a lot. He said "Do you like Saffron?" so she said of course she did, we were friends going back many years. "No, I mean do you LIKE Saffron?" He asked if we had ever had a lesbian relationship, and if not, if we would, and could she a) film it and send it him or b) could he come and watch.

Whilst I'm there getting more goggle eyed, she told me he'd said "Saffron sounds really nice, will she be my friend on Facebook and can I have her number?" She even told him where I work, but says she has not given him my surname. Even so, I would be easy to find. I am furious. I was concerned that she had sent him pictures of me but she says she hasn't and wouldn't.

I told her to tell him to go to hell. This appalled me; I wouldn't be in that kind of situation with a man in the first place, but the moment a male "friend" of mine said disrespectful things about one of my oldest friends, he'd be cancelled.

She then told me about him going to a workingmen's club twice a week and on one one particular evening this friend of his comes in with his wife - who he referred to as Dragon. He told my friend that "Dragon's tits come in the door before she does" and that she wears low cleavage tops and dresses to flaunt her assets. He told her that he is a "boob man" and he'd like to bury his face in them. I told her that was completely unacceptable and she said she knew, and it upset her because she thought he preferred Dragon to her!!!! No, I said it is unacceptable because he is objectifying women and he is a tosser. I can't believe she missed the point so terribly.

Anyway, long story to set the scene, but how the hell do I deal with this? I've never had a conversation like this with anyone and I'm shocked. Not for prudish reasons, but for the whole level of disrespect.

They've never even met, they've spoken on the phone and Messenger, and only shared photos of each other. Not even Zoom. I'm shocked that she would potentially damage a lifelong friendship for the sake of some perverted nutcase on Facebook.

Thoughts? Comments? Thanks.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/02/2022 07:50

@urbanbuddha

She said I couldn't convince her to stop talking to him because they get on really well and she hopes something will come of the relationship

Wow.

Indeed. And that is before she knows of the other women he has been bothering and messaging. He's clearly one of life's inadequates and she tells me so often that she feels worthless because of how she's been 'treated' in previous relationships. (She's only had two, long term ones, first one left because of her neediness, second drank too much, but neither of them treated her particularly badly in a direct way).

She's sadly too messed up herself to see that this is not normal behaviour and that this is someone she should be chucking back in the pond, not throwing the bait out for.

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Pinkdelight3 · 24/02/2022 08:15

Ugh, it sounds like he just wants responses to wank too. Talks like a dirty old man from the 1970s. You absolutely were not being unreasonable. Your friend must be desperate, but that's not excuse to drag you into the mire with her. I'd be hardline about it I'm afraid. Even if it pushes her towards him. She's not going to listen to reason so needs to find out the hard way and then likely come crawling back when she realises you were right.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/02/2022 09:03

@Pinkdelight3

Ugh, it sounds like he just wants responses to wank too. Talks like a dirty old man from the 1970s. You absolutely were not being unreasonable. Your friend must be desperate, but that's not excuse to drag you into the mire with her. I'd be hardline about it I'm afraid. Even if it pushes her towards him. She's not going to listen to reason so needs to find out the hard way and then likely come crawling back when she realises you were right.
Yes, I did say that he sounds just like Benny Hill or someone from On the Buses but she just laughed and said that lots of people talk smuttily in that way. I told her that far more don't.
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YabuOrYanbu · 13/11/2022 13:06

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Thelnebriati · 13/11/2022 13:13

Have you heard of 'limerence'? People who are in the grip of limerence believe they are strongly in love and can't be reasoned with. I don't think there's anything you can say that will help your friend, and that the best thing to do is refuse to talk about him any more. Change the subject every time she brings him up.

Acheyknees · 13/11/2022 13:17

I'd tell her you're not going to contact her until she comes to her senses over this man. Tell her you feel really uncomfortable with it and would rather wait until she's dropped him.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 13/11/2022 13:26

Thanks recent posters. This guy has now popped up again, but things have got worse with the friend. She's been talking to a married man online playing at being a dominatrix and sending naked pictures that includes her face, a guy from Zimbabwe who's found her on a music Facebook page, and three "entities" (I refuse to call them people) who've got her to chat with them on Telegram.

It's common sense that they're not genuine if they're asking this.

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Thelnebriati · 13/11/2022 13:36

I'd answered before I realised the zombie troll was back!

Its weird and performative that she has to tell you all about it. I'd tell her 'if you're going to play, play smart and play safe' then block her.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 13/11/2022 14:21

Thelnebriati · 13/11/2022 13:36

I'd answered before I realised the zombie troll was back!

Its weird and performative that she has to tell you all about it. I'd tell her 'if you're going to play, play smart and play safe' then block her.

We don't have the sort of relationship that you block people in. We meet in real life at her house, she's rubbish at contacting me - only does so when she's not heard from me for weeks and thinks I've fallen out with her. (If I had she'd know). She's got tons of issues including social anxiety so never goes out, and it's a can of worms really.

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