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AIBU to report my parents to social services

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Skynorth · 16/02/2022 04:04

My father (age 84 next month) has been diabetic pretty much all his life and has recently been hospitalised every two or three months due to his blood sugar being unstable. My mother has always been extremely abusive, these days it would be called coercive control, she physically and emotionally abused myself and my brother to the point my brother hasn’t spoken to her for 30 years and she has never been allowed to meet my niece. I started abusing drugs and alcohol at the age of 13 and have struggled ever since. She is manipulative and cruel and lacks empathy. My dad always fended for himself meals-wise because my mother was always a shockingly bad cook and in fact growing up we practically lived on bread and marge. She herself spent the housekeeping money on stuff for herself. She took everything out on us and we were physically punished on a daily basis for no reason other than she was annoyed with something. It didn’t matter how hard we tried to “behave”, there was always a reason for her to hit us. It was almost ritualised as it followed a pattern.
My dad was belittled by her and she used to pick arguments and shout at him for ridiculous petty excuses and he kept out of it, apologising years later for not doing anything to stop her.
I can’t go to a dentist now because as a child, 7 years old, I went to get a tooth removed and in those days they knocked you out and I woke up too quickly, mouth full of blood, very scared and was crying and my mother told me off for making a scene and when I got home I got an absolute hiding.
Other things included locking us in the cupboard under the stairs, locking us in the coal house or garden shed, making me wait at the bottom of the stairs for “the men from the bad girls home” to come and collect me… and I learned I was adopted very abruptly one day when I was getting punished yet again and she said that’s why I was so “wicked”, because I was adopted.
So basically I don’t trust her to look after my dad now that he’s frail and also going senile. She lies if confronted (eg I expressed my concern that now that he isn’t cooking his own meals and staying on top of his blood sugar etc, she might not be giving him the right nutrition, as it’s already clear that his blood sugar is all over the place. He has almost died twice last year and had to be given CPR by the paramedics. She replied that she always makes healthy meals, she makes a cooked breakfast and makes sure he eats plenty of fruit and veg but then a few days later she said she hasn’t eaten properly during the pandemic as she hasn’t been able to do much in the kitchen due to her dodgy hips. So clearly she isn’t at all making these “healthy”, diabetic-friendly meals.
In addition the house is a disgrace (it always was and we kids used to get punished for that, even though it was her lack of housework to blame, and we never knew when we came home from school whether or not she was going to kick off about the mess, so we were always terrified to go home. I still (at the age of 57) have nightmares that I wake up from shouting or crying because of her abuse. My dad was always a kind and gentle man and he used to just acquiesce for a quiet life as she was so horrible.
I told her she needs to get a care assessment and she said it’s ok she can manage, but I meant a care assessment for my dad, and she said she didn’t want anyone coming in until she has had a “de-clutter”, but that will never happen because she is lazy and spends her time watching TV.
In short I am extremely concerned for my father. I used to work with over 55’s with complex needs as a Support Worker in temporary accommodation so I know there are abuse and vulnerability concerns.
Am I being unreasonable to insist on social services going out to do a care assessment on my dad without her being in the room?
I have to add here I am unable now to do much myself due to having 4th stage cancer and recovering from recent bout of chemotherapy and radiotherapy as well as having bone marrow edema and hairline fractures in my spine and the back of my hip from the radiotherapy.

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Chickmad · 16/02/2022 04:13

You are most definitely not being unreasonable to report your concerns to social services.
Might I also suggest contacting your father's GP. Whilst they may not be able to talk to you about your father due to data protection, they can register your concerns. I would suggest putting your concerns into the GP in writing.
I would specifically give background of the abuse you suffered historically to both social services and the GP and tell them that your father has been a victim of domestic abuse for years.
I hope you can find some help. Would someone like Age, the charity, be able to give you some advice too or a domestic violence charity?

TibetanTerrah · 16/02/2022 04:15

This sounds so difficult. Initially I was hesitant to encourage pushing for an assessment, purely because this might end up with your dad being subjected to more abuse and put him in danger, as is common when abusers get "found out".

However, if this were a child or even a pet suffering like this, I would push you to get outside help no question.

I think really you need to push the angle with SS that your mother is and has always been abusive, and that your dad is not safe there, rather than a "shes struggling to cope" softer approach. There will be a huge fallout from this and I'm concerned about the impact on your own health from that, but the stress of worrying about your dad all the time can't be helping you either.

Unfortunately there isn't a simple answer where you all skip merrily off into the sunset, whatever action you take will have stressful consequences. You need to grit your teeth and put your dad and your own health first. In so sorry you're going through this Flowers

PrincessNutella · 16/02/2022 04:15

It's not clear to me why your father can't cook his own healthy meals. Is he physically impaired beyond having diabetes and being old?

BeckonCall · 16/02/2022 04:51

@PrincessNutella

It's not clear to me why your father can't cook his own healthy meals. Is he physically impaired beyond having diabetes and being old?
OP said, "I don’t trust her to look after my dad now that he’s frail and also going senile." It sounds like he is physically weak and losing his mental faculties, and needs to be cared for by another person, including providing nutrition.
nettie434 · 16/02/2022 05:06

I just wanted to say that I am sorry about your health problems now and your experiences as a child. If you look at the council website for adult social care in the district in which your parents live, it will give you a contact number and advice on what they call 'raising a safeguarding' concern. You can do this anonymously.

I guess that with the pressures on the NHS nobody at the hospital queried why a man with well managed long term diabetes suddenly started having unstable blood glucose readings. That would have been an opportunity to arrange an assessment to see what was happening at home.

It's not clear to me why your father can't cook his own healthy meals. Is he physically impaired beyond having diabetes and being old?

The OP used the word 'senile' (which is not really the preferred term these days OP, better to talk about memory problems if your father does not have a diagnosis of some form of dementia) and his being 'frail'. She also says he used to make his own meals so I don't think this is an instance of a man relying on his meals being cooked for him when he could do it himself.

Littlefoxy · 16/02/2022 05:51

So sorry to read about what you’ve been through. I wondered if you’d thought about some support for you to address the trauma you’ve experienced? NAPAC are a specialist organisation that might be able to provide advice napac.org.uk/

Globaluser · 16/02/2022 06:02

I’m very sorry for your struggles OP. Yes I would report to social services. I hope everything goes well for you. Flowers

TangoWhiskyAlphaTango · 16/02/2022 06:02

Yes I would report, he is a vulnerable adult and I would advise you report to safeguarding - ring your local Social Services helpline. Would you Father be willing to accept help and does he have capacity to make decisions in his best interests?

HoppingPavlova · 16/02/2022 06:09

I think you need to contact them but concentrate on the concerns in the here and now, not the fact he has suffered abuse from his 30’s onwards if that makes sense. They won’t take it as seriously if you conflate matters with childhood gripes (as true and serious as they may be), and the abuse of a man in his prime who seemed quite willing to put up with it for 50 years. Concentrate on the present - what are the issues, concerns, what needs to be looked at right now in terms of an assessment.

Same with GP, will not hurt to write to them but make it about the present situation and concerns with situation now, don’t muddy it with decades of stuff.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 16/02/2022 06:14

do you have children who could pop round to check on him?

Livebythecoast · 16/02/2022 06:29

Morning OP. That was a difficult read and I'm so sorry you have suffered at the hands of your Mother and for your own health issues Flowers.

I echo others, definitely Social Services and your Father's GP. Most surgeries have a Social Prescriber or Care Navigator who can signpost you to other resources for help. I think emailing/writing to the surgery is a good idea as you can list all your concerns etc as like others have said, your Father's GP will be limited discussing him due to confidentiality but that doesn't stop you raising your concerns.
There is a safe guarding issue here and your Father's surgery can help as a surgery always has a safeguarding lead GP.
I hope you get the outcome to help your Father and wish you the very best.

BettyBag · 16/02/2022 06:51

Hi OP, I would definitely ring adult adult social care but be realistic. You can't "insist" your dad is assessed without his consent, you can't "insist" they exclude your mother. If a social worker had a conversation with your dad what would he say? Would he make sense? Would he be able to give a relatively accurate account of his needs and how they are met? If so he will likely be able to tell them to piss off in which he case they probably will. Your parents have the same rights as you. Do you think your mum could ring up and "insist" you are assessed alone? Well this is no different.

Also remember that if in England they will be charges for most services ASC provides which is often a massive barrier in these kinds of cases. As for "nutrious meals" to be completely honest microwave meals made by carers are the standard for people receiving domiciliary care. The time frame is too small for anything else, plus there is no guarantee a carer would be capable of cooking anything else.

GP will almost certainly just repeat your concerns verbatim to adult social care and call it a day. However you could ask for a community matron referral to support to manage his diabetes, this would help as its a free service and is primarily about manage health conditions and avoiding hospital, from what you said your dad would be eligible. Matrons are great at relationship building and you will have another set of eyes in the home.

The house being "a disgrace" is a very subjective thing. ASC get a lot of reports of houses being and disgrace and uninhabitable but quite honestly around 75% are fine, just messy. A social worker would be looking for bio hazards, overt fire risks or actual hoarding (which is bad) anything less than that isn't going to provoke any concern if the service users themselves are happy with it.

Asc will likely work with you to approach this in a sensitive manor (ie they won't go in guns blazing saying "your daughter says you are neglecting your husband") so have a think about the best way to approach this and put it to them.

Your childhood sounds awful but will be of limited interest to an adult social worker assessing your dad. To be perfectly Frank he was there too, he chose to stay and didn't intervene in the child abuse you are describing.

blackdumpling · 16/02/2022 06:55

I know it might not be ideal, but can you ask your father come live with you instead?

maria57 · 16/02/2022 07:01

Omg this situation is so bad... My heart goes out to you and your Father. First of all I would speak to age concern for advice although you know Social Services have got to get involved. Age Concern should support you and give you more clarity on the way to deal with the whole situation. My experience of Social Services Safe Guarding is that their not in any rush to deal with such situations which is so wrong...It deals with such concern by a triage situation. So I would then look on their website and email someone higher of your concern. I would then telephone your Fathers GP Service and firstly ask to speak to the Office Manager ...explain your concern or if you are not upto it ask for the Office Managers email address or look and see if it is listed on the GP Website.By this stage you have the ball rolling in the right direction. You then need to get support for yourself from your own GP Services and a Cancer Service who can either support you emotionally or direct you down the right path for further support. This is and must be a nightmare for you and has gone on long enough and time is of the essence to put a stop to futher goings on. Its not going to be easy for you but keep in your mind why your doing it... to stop the cruelty of your mother continueing.You, Your Brother and Father NEVER diserved this and whilst your Brother walked away maybe he could support you in all ways possible.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 16/02/2022 07:01

I agree with other posters, you are right to take action for your father. Please take care of yourself too. The stress of worrying about him isn’t good for you.
I would contact Action on Elder Abuse, helpline 0808 8088 141,
www.thenationalcareline.org/AccessingHelp/ActionOnElderAbuse
Flowers

Gilly12345 · 16/02/2022 07:20

You really should contact Social Services regarding your Dad’s welfare, he needs assessing and maybe a care package.

Hopefully your Dad will outlive your Mum and he may live in peace then.

💐💐💐

andweallsingalong · 16/02/2022 07:25

I think the lack of care assessment is just one symptom of a much bigger problem so I would start by making a safeguarding referral for him as a vulnerable adult at risk of serious harm or death and list the lack of care assessment as just one of many serious risk factors.

Does he have capacity? If not Adult Safeguarding have more powers / responsibility so you would need to clearly state this. Sadly adults with capacity, who choose to stay in abusive situations get very little support.

And finally, is there anywhere he could stay? If might be easier if a family member offered to take him for a few days, "to give your mum a well earned break" then refused to return him.

Very hard, but if you and your siblings felt strong enough to report your child abuse to the police this would get on record her behaviour and strengthen your case that she's not capable of caring for a vulnerable adult.

kitcat15 · 16/02/2022 07:29

@PrincessNutella

It's not clear to me why your father can't cook his own healthy meals. Is he physically impaired beyond having diabetes and being old?
Because he's got dementia thats fucking why 🙄
lollipoprainbow · 16/02/2022 07:30

@PrincessNutella you've missed the point entirely

Jellycatspyjamas · 16/02/2022 07:30

There are two different issues here, your dads need for care and the abuse of a vulnerable adult. It would be worth making a referral for both, being clear about your concerns for his health and well-being in that he’s having memory problems and isn’t able to manage his diabetes and as a separate issue that you have concerns he’s being abused.

There’s more recent research in domestic abuse in older adults - if you google Dewis Choice they’ve done some good work on the specific issues for older adults which it may be worth reading to give you an idea of how to talk to services about your dads abuse. The state of the house would also be a concern given your dads frailty and, given his age, possible mobility issues.

and the abuse of a man in his prime who seemed quite willing to put up with it for 50 years.

This shows a stunning lack of understanding of the dynamics at play in abusive relationships and the barriers for men particularly in disclosing abuse.

I’m sorry for your own experience too, therapy can help you process your own trauma and maybe help you find a way forward for yourself.

BettyBag · 16/02/2022 07:40

@andweallsingalong

I think the lack of care assessment is just one symptom of a much bigger problem so I would start by making a safeguarding referral for him as a vulnerable adult at risk of serious harm or death and list the lack of care assessment as just one of many serious risk factors.

Does he have capacity? If not Adult Safeguarding have more powers / responsibility so you would need to clearly state this. Sadly adults with capacity, who choose to stay in abusive situations get very little support.

And finally, is there anywhere he could stay? If might be easier if a family member offered to take him for a few days, "to give your mum a well earned break" then refused to return him.

Very hard, but if you and your siblings felt strong enough to report your child abuse to the police this would get on record her behaviour and strengthen your case that she's not capable of caring for a vulnerable adult.

They are not separate things you know. Safeguarding is part of the adult social care department and often the same social worker who does the enquiry will do the assessment.

Indeed some level assessment is necessary to the safeguarding process as having eligible care needs is what makes something a safeguarding. You know if somebody is eligible by assessing them. Safeguarding would have grounds to believe that OPs dad is eligible from what has been said.

Also safeguarding don't have more power if somebody lacks capacity, the court has power not social services.

BettyBag · 16/02/2022 07:45

@Jellycatspyjamas

There are two different issues here, your dads need for care and the abuse of a vulnerable adult. It would be worth making a referral for both, being clear about your concerns for his health and well-being in that he’s having memory problems and isn’t able to manage his diabetes and as a separate issue that you have concerns he’s being abused.

There’s more recent research in domestic abuse in older adults - if you google Dewis Choice they’ve done some good work on the specific issues for older adults which it may be worth reading to give you an idea of how to talk to services about your dads abuse. The state of the house would also be a concern given your dads frailty and, given his age, possible mobility issues.

and the abuse of a man in his prime who seemed quite willing to put up with it for 50 years.

This shows a stunning lack of understanding of the dynamics at play in abusive relationships and the barriers for men particularly in disclosing abuse.

I’m sorry for your own experience too, therapy can help you process your own trauma and maybe help you find a way forward for yourself.

I feel for OP but her dad clearly didn't have a financial barrier because mum got housekeeping presumably from him. Perhaps he stayed for the kids but it didn't sound like he did much to mitigate their abuse. Indeed from what OP said her abuse of him amounts to shouting at him and not cooking for him. As I said I feel for OP but it seems like she's projecting and trying to come to terms with the fact that her much loved father didn't stop her abuse. Christ the shit women get on here for staying with men who have done far less to their kids... and they are women who don't have the financial security that OPs dad is implied to have.
hattie43 · 16/02/2022 07:55

What an awful travesty that this wasn't resolved years ago .

MrsLargeEmbodied · 16/02/2022 08:13

you can phrase it that your df needs help and your dm too

elbea · 16/02/2022 08:14

We reported a similar situation to social services and they removed my grandmother into a nursing home so she could get the care she needed without living in an abusive home.

Her health is so much improved now she’s being cared for properly.