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Child’s passport only has 2 months on it. Flying to Spain on Saturday!

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olympicsrock · 15/02/2022 10:39

Help!!!
Just discovered that my 10 year old son’s passport only has 2 months left on it. We have flights booked to go to Spain on Saturday. .

Has anyone travelled to Spain on this situation recently? What happened?? Were you refused permission to board the plane?
I have phoned the passport office . There is absolutely no way to get a passport for him in the next 10 days as need to do face to face for child renewal , no appointments til next week abs then a week to deliver by post.

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roselikeanyother · 15/02/2022 21:55

Definitely 6 months

Child’s passport only has 2 months on it. Flying to Spain on Saturday!
dementedpixie · 15/02/2022 21:59

Every other official site says 3 months

Child’s passport only has 2 months on it. Flying to Spain on Saturday!
Alexandra2001 · 15/02/2022 22:01

Because people generally know the expiry dates of their family member's passports. It's basic life admin. Like the expiration date of your driving licence, and your MOT due date etc; knowing when your passport runs out is basic life admin

Sure, if the OP said her DS passport had expired, then yes nowt to do with Brexit but many people don't know these new rules and don't appreciate what being a non EU country actually means - so my brexity in laws are aghast they have to pay a fortune to take their 2 dogs abroad..... that their plans to tour Europe have gone up in smoke and that one of their GC wont be able to study in europe as she planed.

dementedpixie · 15/02/2022 22:04

I dont know the expiry dates of our passports as we haven't been abroad for 2 years now. I know that they aren't all valid until the same date as there are 2 adult and 2 child passports.

Kitkat151 · 15/02/2022 22:06

@roselikeanyother

Definitely 6 months
Definately 3 months 🙄
HelloFrostyMorning · 15/02/2022 22:06

If you are making the ridiculously narrow point that but for the Brexit requirements, in this case the failure of op to bother to check passport expiry dates wouldn’t have been an issue, you are really really clutching at straws for reasons to blame Brexit for someone’s failure to bother checking passport dates.

This exactly!

@Alexandra2001

Were we still in the EU, this thread wouldn't exist.

Yes it would. The denial is bizarre. Brexit has absolutely NOTHING to do with the OP's issue. It's people not checking their passport expiry dates!

And as I said, this NEVER happens to people in real life. (Not to anyone I know anyway!)

dementedpixie · 15/02/2022 22:09

@HelloFrostyMorning

If you are making the ridiculously narrow point that but for the Brexit requirements, in this case the failure of op to bother to check passport expiry dates wouldn’t have been an issue, you are really really clutching at straws for reasons to blame Brexit for someone’s failure to bother checking passport dates.

This exactly!

@Alexandra2001

Were we still in the EU, this thread wouldn't exist.

Yes it would. The denial is bizarre. Brexit has absolutely NOTHING to do with the OP's issue. It's people not checking their passport expiry dates!

And as I said, this NEVER happens to people in real life. (Not to anyone I know anyway!)

The passport is in date Prior to brexit it could have been used to travel to Spain and now it can't be
HelloFrostyMorning · 15/02/2022 22:12

@dementedpixie

Stop blaming Brexit for poor life admin.

HelloFrostyMorning · 15/02/2022 22:13

@roselikeanyother

Spain is 3 months not 6! Where on earth are you getting your information from? Confused

www.spainvisa.eu/passport-requirements/

Eucalyptusbee · 15/02/2022 22:16

I'd go plan E.

Peregrina · 15/02/2022 22:17

Stop blaming 'poor life admin' for a Brexit consequence. The Passport is still in date, and would still be fine to travel to Spain with if it was Irish or French or Dutch etc.

Watapalava · 15/02/2022 22:21

Regardless of brexit

The 10 yr/3 month/6 month limit has been publicised for a long time

Well over 18 months and again in media in January 2021 when the original extension ran out

There really is no excuse

WombatChocolate · 15/02/2022 22:26

Given Brexit has happened, bringing a number of changes in this kind of area, you could reasonably be expected to check your passports complied with CURRENT requirements, SOONER than a week before.

Yes, Brexit has changed the duration required for this particular destination (and I am not a supporter of Brexit) BUT this isn’t about whether this problem arising is due to Brexit or the Op.

When you plan to travel abroad, a basic admin thing is to check the passport dates for all the family members travelling…..usually at the time of booking, or in good time to act if one needs renewing. This was the case before Brexit and now. It is even more the case given Brexit has brought in changes and due to Covid many of us haven’t been abroad since Brexit, so need to properly families ourselves with the new current requirements.

The fact is, Op didn’t do that.

The fact is, she asked for advice and when people reported facts about the point she would be turned away, she was rude and told them not to comment further on the thread….when once it’s been opened, is open to everyone. She asked them not to state what she could read herself……but of course if she could read it herself, why would you need a thread anyway. And this was after numerous people had to,d her there would be NO reports of people who had got away with it, which is what she really wanted to hear. The reality wasn’t what she wanted to hear.

Most people would be a bit sympathetic to the situation Op found herself in. An admin failure can happen to any of us. When it does, we can feel disappointed but have to accept responsibility too. Where OP lost much of the sympathy she probably would have had, was in her rudeness to posters who spent their time replying to the question she asked, and also in never really being willing to accept any responsibility for what had happened.

Yes, we all get that the situation was stressful. None of us would like to find ourselves in the situation, and it happens to lots of people, because basic failures of admin happen all the time. Op hadn’t committed a terrible crime but a failure of organisation and was hoping to wing it and get through and that the rules might be just a bit flexible….wasn’t prepared to accept that this isn’t the case when several people had explained it, but kept hoping longer, that somehow, those who said they weren’t flexible would be wrong, or still she could squeeze her way through. Stressed doesn’t mean you can be rude. Appreciating and understanding when you’ve been rude, or made a mistake is a basic expectation we can have of adults.

So how did Op come across? A bit disorganised not to have checked….no-one really minds that…we can all imagine it happening to us too. But rude and arrogant is what people didn’t like in the early part of this thread. Brexit clearly played a role in this, in terms of it determining a specific length of time needed for this particular location , that the passport would have got them into pre-Covid, but given as others mentioned, the fact OP hadn’t checked the passports means it could have easily fully expired anyway, or that a failure to check passports or current requirements given all the changes that have about due to Covid, means allowing this to happen was even more daft. Not having a passport a week before the holiday lies at the Op’s feet, not Brexits. All the other people getting on that plane next week will have lived through Covid too and no doubt many of them will have had to check their passports and renew them.

OP unfortunately came across as the kind of person you meet in real life who has made a basic error, but rather than acknowledging their part in it, arrogantly is sure there must be a way for them to get what they want and surely the rules can’t apply to them, and surely there must be a way to sneak through. And at the same time as someone who dismisses anyone who speaks reason (often in a kind way) and is read shouts louder ‘tell me the way I can circumvent the rules…I cannot believe it’s not possible’. People generally don’t like these characteristics. But then I guess people with such characteristics are rarely going to have the self awareness to spot them, and if they do, won’t have the humility to acknowledge them, much less to apologise to those they’ve been rude to…because they always feel justified in their own behaviour.

Anyway, regardless of all that…I hope OP that you do get your passports or postpone your holiday and can all go. I can see this is a horrible stressful position, regardless of the causes. And perhaps when you’re lying on a beach or going onto the plane at whichever point that is, you’ll remember the many pages of this thread and laugh, and instead of thinking of ‘the bitches on MN’ think instead about a thread, which perhaps made you think about a few things, even if you’d never admit them in real life or on MN itself.

Genuinely, I hope your family get their holiday and you all have a lovely time.

Stravaig · 15/02/2022 22:39

Just double-checked mine. One is long-since expired and tangled in international beaurocracy. The UK one has 10 years 9 months between issue and expiry dates, which I hadn't noticed. My brain had logged 10 years from the issue date as the expiry, which is nice and safe; but as time runs down I can easily imagine focusing on the official expiry date and thus falling foul of the 10 year rule. So thank you to those who've hightlighted it here. Check, folks!

I so hope it's my last UK passport ...

EishetChayil · 15/02/2022 22:52

You've been incredibly rude to people who are just trying to help, OP.

It's your own mistake for not checking the passport.

JackieWeaversLaptop · 15/02/2022 22:56

@olympicsrock

Online premium is adults only Sammy’s quiz and Triffid - please don’t comment further. I can read. I understand the rules. I am wondering if anyone has actually been in this situation and what happened .
Sorry this is happening to you OP - it sounds really frustrating. Is there any way you could reschedule your flights?

Also, why would you like to know so much about what’s happened to others, especially if you already understand the rules? As other posters have mentioned, the rules are pretty stringent and it probably won’t be helpful for you to rely on another poster’s experience in this scenario.

red30505 · 15/02/2022 23:06

Can you travel to another passport office this week?
Do any have appts?

My dds first passport came in 4 days in January so may come early.

Hebeee · 16/02/2022 00:23

A few years back DS was travelling to Belgium and the Netherlands on a cathedral choir trip. He'd just returned from a school trip to France (via ferry) a few weeks before. As we were going through his stuff a few days ahead of departure we noticed that his passport was actually out of date - and had been prior to the school trip!!!

Nobody had noticed....I can only assume because all the passports were handed in as a bundle and not individually checked, which I admit seems rather weird 🙄

We hastily arranged to go to the London passport office and get it renewed, which was done while we waited and was collected a few hours later.....

PenStation · 16/02/2022 01:04

If you can’t reschedule I would apply for the fastest service you can and cross your fingers. What else can you realistically do? Hope you get there.

Kisskiss · 16/02/2022 01:22

This just happened to someone I know.. they decided to go to the airport and ‘try anyway’ shockingly, they made it on the flight and to france!!! Guess it was luck

Oriunda · 16/02/2022 02:42

I had to do the week service for my son, booking an appointment in London, and got the passport back within 3 days. For myself, I’ve had to do the online premium/same day service.

Nothing to do with me not checking, either. We’re a European family and constant travel (Brexit related) meant we simply didn’t have a 4-6 week minimum window in between travel to apply for passports the usual way.

As others have said, the shorter validity is totally to do with Brexit. Most EU countries state 3 months’ validity is ok, but many travel providers insist on 6 months.

Louisianagumbo · 16/02/2022 04:47

@MaudieandMe
Of course bloody fucking Brexit is to blame here. Are you ordinarily a mean person or completely dim?
The child’s passport isn’t out of date at all. It still has over 2 months left to run which would have been fine prior to Brexit and he could have travelled to Spain for the family holiday and returned, completely legally.
It’s only because of Brexit that U.K. travellers have to have at least 3 months remaining on their passport before travelling within the EU.
..............
You are a very aggressively rude person. I have not been mean to the op. I've sympathisedwith her plight, I've said that I'm not aiming anything about Brexit at her because she was being lighthearted, and I've actually defended her from the criticism of others.
I am not dim. This is not a Brexit issue. Its an organisational issue. Everyone needs to check their passport at the time of booking. Warnings have been given since 2016, we've been out for two years, and we're a year out of the transitional period. Are you saying that as a country we're not capable of or too thick to check passport expiry dates in the same way as most countries in the world do?
I'm not engaging with you anymore because there's no reason for you to throw out insults, even worse that they're baseless, and you're not a person I care to talk to.

olympicsrock · 16/02/2022 05:52

Right I’m out. Thanks to those who were kind and supportive and made me laugh.
Actually many of you on here were horrible , patronising and humourless. Don’t others say “bloody brexit or bloody boris” with a wry smile when something is a bit shit? Of course it’s my own fault but the rules have changed and the passport would not have been in valid for travel prebrexit.

Has made me question whether mumsnet is something I can be bothered with ( after 11 years!)
Quoting the rules at someone repetitively who already knows there is a problem or saying ‘it’s your own fault” is not helpful particularly when someone is hugely stressed.

Who on earth has such a easy/ boring life that they have expiry dates for everything engrained on their brain???
Some of us are just doing our best as mums to juggle a huge number of balls .

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marqueses · 16/02/2022 06:31

@Watapalava

Regardless of brexit

The 10 yr/3 month/6 month limit has been publicised for a long time

Well over 18 months and again in media in January 2021 when the original extension ran out

There really is no excuse

As thee has been little opportunity for travel for 2 years it's perfetly understandable that changes to Passport rules might have not registered during the pandemic.