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Drama this is going to hurt

203 replies

Thomasina79 · 12/02/2022 18:20

I found the book brilliantly funny. I have worked in admin hospitals and primary care, so can relate re cut backs etc.

Anyone else enjoying this drama, if that’s the right word! True to life. Any doctors, nurses etc anyone?

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WeddingHangover · 12/02/2022 21:39

I really enjoyed it

SurferRona · 12/02/2022 21:41

Liked first ep, love Ben Wishaw, but my god the book was terrible. Like Dan Brown DaVinci Code bad.

the80sweregreat · 12/02/2022 21:45

I didn't mind the books to be honest.
I've never heard of them ( or him ) before this drama came on tv and read both of them over a few days. I just think he was pushed into being a professional and wasn't really cut out for it.

LovedayCL · 12/02/2022 21:49

Based on the book I would not watch the programme. I thought he showed a disdain, distaste and often disgust for women and their bodies. The only thing ‘Brats and Twats’ is a good description for, is the type of doctor he was, and describes. If his opinions on women weren’t enough then the previous lyrics to his songs, particularly those about children with Down Syndrome, were enough for me to avoid anything he says for the rest of his career.

Dillydollydingdong · 12/02/2022 21:49

The book was great. The tv series is disappointing.

Scrunchies · 12/02/2022 21:54

That’s interesting @DontKeepTheFaith , as I’ve been talking about it quite a lot with my colleagues this week (who were all junior doctors from around 2010) and we felt it was really accurate. We were all spoken to appallingly. I was regularly sweared at, belittled, humiliated. I had books thrown at me, or sets of patient notes. I got kicked out of theatre as a medical student for not knowing an extremely detailed question on anatomy (2007). I regularly had to pull 24 or even 36 hour shifts as the locum night Dr didn’t turn up.

So it’s really good you don’t recognise that, altho im sure you agree that psych has always been it’s own little bubble and does function quite differently from hospital medicine. When I was on my psych jobs I was definitely treated better.

WiddlinDiddlin · 12/02/2022 21:58

I enjoyed the book, but then I somehow read the first version that was rather badly written under a totally different name.. and then the version that was tarted up, edited properly and re-released - and I think it became a lot clearer in the book that Adam was never really cut out for the job, lacking the empathy, lacking the back bone to stand up to the right people (but absolutely able to have a pop at the wrong people, cos thats easy)...

I liked the first episode but for various reasons, I get the mix of 'things that really happened' and 'things that didn't happen quite like this' and 'things i wish id done but didnt have the balls to do' and 'things that definitely DIDNT happen like this as if they had id be sued for putting it on tv'..

It is definitely darker and has a harder edge to it than I think most people will be expecting - but i got that from the books.

There is a reason he was an obs and gynae dr for a VERY short time before being a muscian and writer!

Greenqueen40 · 12/02/2022 21:58

I work in obs & gynae, it was painful to watch at times due to how close to home it really was @DontKeepTheFaith psych isn't remotely comparable Hmm

Scrunchies · 12/02/2022 22:02

@Greenqueen40 🤣 you were a lot more blunt than what I was trying to say

PAFMO · 12/02/2022 22:03

The only good thing about this repulsive misogynistic twat being feted as a great wit is that women no longer risk finding themselves being treated by a male doctor whose hatred of them is tangible.
He's a fucking disgrace.

ivykaty44 · 12/02/2022 22:07

I didn't rate the book, but the tv drama is good

Cocolapew · 12/02/2022 22:14

I read the book when it came out, I'm in a FB book club and people kept raving about it, and how hilarious it was.
I was totally baffled, I dont think it even raised a smile. It was totally devoid of any humour.
I just found the whole book sneery and I'm not 100% sure half of it's true.
Since reading some of the lyrics to the 'songs' he sings in his band, I think I was right in my original opinion that he's a wanker.

RedToothBrush · 12/02/2022 22:18

Where to start with how awful it was and how tone deaf its commissioning is.

Dreadful. Everything able it dreadful.

Worst thing on the bbc in some considerable time.

Some of the excuses for it given on the telly addicts thread are appalling in view of recent scandals.

Deadringer · 12/02/2022 22:32

Interesting thread. I enjoyed the book but can't really see how it would translate onto the screen. I will give the tv show a go though, as i like Ben Whishaw.

marthasmum · 12/02/2022 22:33

I was also a midwife (including at the time the book was set). I understand and agree with the depiction of how tough it was to be a junior doctor. And I also agree with those who’ve found him, and the book, misogynistic and disturbing. I wouldn’t have wanted to work with him and I don’t think he’d have wanted to work with me!

ThomasinaGallico · 12/02/2022 22:36

Have read the book in parts and can’t help feeling relieved he’s not practising medicine any more.

millytint44 · 12/02/2022 22:43

Ditto @ThomasinaGallico

TenoringBehind · 12/02/2022 22:52

Agree.

He didn’t seem to like medicine or people.

Dianaofthelakeofshiningwaters · 12/02/2022 22:55

Watching the first episode and hearing some of pps experiences has made me realise how fortunate I was during both my deliveries (the first of which was in 2006). Luckily I was only cared for by midwives and they were, without exception, kind, compassionate and supportive. I feel really sad that this seems to have been an unusual experience. I did have stitches on both occasions and again these were done by midwives and not doctors.

I'm not sure about watching the rest of the series tbh.

MaidEdithofAragon · 12/02/2022 22:57

Haven't watched. Book was misogynistic and patronising. Listened to a podcast he was on once, he came across as a a real 'the Dr knows best' type of man, especially about women's health. Didn't like it at all.

EishetChayil · 12/02/2022 22:58

Horrible misogyny. Birth trauma isn't funny.

ExtremelyDelighted · 12/02/2022 22:59

I haven't watched it, I thought the book was bloody awful. I am also in a large FB book group (probably the same one) and have seen so many posts saying what a brilliant book it is, I too am totally baffled by this.

GlomOfNit · 12/02/2022 23:05

I read the book, in the spirit of compassion for the unimaginable stresses placed on junior doctors, the disintegration of NHS etc.

Wish I hadn't. I found it largely unfunny, misogynistic and full of the sort of cliched 'medic jokes'/anecdotes about patients that I've heard/read so many times before (in other words, Adam Kay didn't coin them). The disdain he felt for the patients in his care (mostly the female ones) is shocking, even if you take it at face value as the way a young doctor can become brutalised and desensitised by his job.

But I suspect he just doesn't like women very much. The fact that they're a bit icky, they have different bodily fluids, they can get oddly emotional when pregnant/after birth... The part that stayed with me the most was the anecdote about a woman who had been driven to desperation by her unexplained pelvic pain. She turns up at a clinic of his, he's pretty abrupt and dismissive because it's nothing he can do anything about, she cracks and throws a sharps bin at him. Obviously not recommended behaviour but the way he frames it - he's the victim, she's a mad harridan, not someone for whom he should have compassion or be at all concerned about.

I threw this book at the wall more times than I can say! Grin God knows why I even persevered with it, I suppose in solidarity with all my medic friends who have all been junior doctors in the system. But while I'm sure they deployed a degree of black humour to survive, I'm quite sure they didn't feel the distaste for their patients that Kay did. I'm so glad he decided he wasn't cut out to be an obstetrician - imagine having your baby under that sort of care.

Ben Wishaw is always watchable but I won't watch this - was really getting fed up of all the trails of him on a trolley with his hand up a woman. So funny.

RedToothBrush · 12/02/2022 23:36

@GlomOfNit

I read the book, in the spirit of compassion for the unimaginable stresses placed on junior doctors, the disintegration of NHS etc.

Wish I hadn't. I found it largely unfunny, misogynistic and full of the sort of cliched 'medic jokes'/anecdotes about patients that I've heard/read so many times before (in other words, Adam Kay didn't coin them). The disdain he felt for the patients in his care (mostly the female ones) is shocking, even if you take it at face value as the way a young doctor can become brutalised and desensitised by his job.

But I suspect he just doesn't like women very much. The fact that they're a bit icky, they have different bodily fluids, they can get oddly emotional when pregnant/after birth... The part that stayed with me the most was the anecdote about a woman who had been driven to desperation by her unexplained pelvic pain. She turns up at a clinic of his, he's pretty abrupt and dismissive because it's nothing he can do anything about, she cracks and throws a sharps bin at him. Obviously not recommended behaviour but the way he frames it - he's the victim, she's a mad harridan, not someone for whom he should have compassion or be at all concerned about.

I threw this book at the wall more times than I can say! Grin God knows why I even persevered with it, I suppose in solidarity with all my medic friends who have all been junior doctors in the system. But while I'm sure they deployed a degree of black humour to survive, I'm quite sure they didn't feel the distaste for their patients that Kay did. I'm so glad he decided he wasn't cut out to be an obstetrician - imagine having your baby under that sort of care.

Ben Wishaw is always watchable but I won't watch this - was really getting fed up of all the trails of him on a trolley with his hand up a woman. So funny.

Unimaginable stresses placed on NHS staff?

Like this guy?
He told the hearing: 'I'm not a bad man, but a man who's made some very bad choices.

'That person came and went in 2019. He was a product of his circumstances. He was a man who was spiralling out of control in a busy, stressful environment.'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10505539/Male-midwife-struck-nursing-register-performing-sex-acts-work.html

Or this guy?
The duo released an album called Fitness To Practice in 2004 including the song Your Baby, which features the lyrics: 'Your baby has Trisomy/ You shouldn't have kids at 53/ He'll have severe mental retardation/ How would you feel about a termination?'

The next verse says: 'A bit of a mong your baby/ Your baby has trisom, it's what he will die from/ Your baby's got trisomy.'

and

Northern Birds features the lyrics: 'Northern birds are lazy ugly whores who smell of burgers/ So don't have too much to drink/ Or you might f* one/ And end up getting Aids.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10506277/This-Going-Hurt-author-Adam-Kay-sang-vile-songs-Downs-syndrome-baby.html

Or just plain old fashioned misgyonistic pricks working in maternity who hate women?

TONE DEAF COMMISSIONING by the BBC.

Lets frame the struggling, out of his depth prick of a white male doctor as some sort of doomed anti-hero and have all the women he treated with contempt as bit parts to his dark comedy.

At a time when there's a big metoo movement, numerous maternity scandals and questions over women's health being over looked and ignored generally.

Ha de ha.

purpleme12 · 12/02/2022 23:40

Oh my god are those his words about trisomy???