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63 bus encouraging inapproperate touching?

81 replies

VelvetChairGirl · 12/02/2022 16:30

I was going to post this in the feminism board but I decided to post it here instead, the new 63 bus has done away with polls in favour of handles on the side of seats and request stop buttons on the back of seats. does anyone else think this will encourage perverts to touch women and girls under the guise of just holding onto the handles or trying to reach the stop bus buttons?

www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/fleet-of-new-electric-buses-coming-to-route-63-51749/

OP posts:
oviraptor21 · 12/02/2022 19:41

I agree OP.
Bad enough sitting in a seat with a man's groin in touching distance.
I also had no problem understanding what you meant by route 63. Aren't all bus services numbered?

user1471504747 · 12/02/2022 19:43

I like that OP thinks there is only one bus route with that number, and also that everyone would know it Grin

The bus handle to SA connection is a bit far fetched unfortunately OP

Womencanlift · 12/02/2022 19:45

@oviraptor21

I agree OP. Bad enough sitting in a seat with a man's groin in touching distance. I also had no problem understanding what you meant by route 63. Aren't all bus services numbered?
Yeah but there is more than one route 63 across the country
EmmaH2022 · 12/02/2022 19:48

There's definitely a personal space issue with this, I don't want to hang on to a handle on someone's seat either.

So from there to harassment, yes OP, I see your point.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 12/02/2022 19:49

Thing is that the prospect of standing downstairs on a packed bus when there are seats upstairs can make the decision for you. Well, that and the buggy owners/tradesmen with tool boxes/people with trollies/big backpacks for school/etc are already occupying the spaces marked for disabled/elderly/less likely to be able to stand seats.

You can't come down the stop before because then there's the bulk of people leaving that stop expecting you to get out of the bus with them - can't really stand in front of the doors.

It may just be London buses that are like this, but going to work is not an easy prospect where you can leisurely place yourself on a disabled seat downstairs and then expect the driver to wait whilst you are the only person to stroll off the bus at your own convenience. It's a cross your fingers that the ten to seven hasn't been dropped, isn't full to overflowing with schoolkids because the twenty to seven was dropped or the driver just sails past because he's not in the mood, then get on and head upstairs unless you want to stand in direct contact with other people, their backpacks, tools, buggies and other stuff and hope that you don't get sent flying, get shoved off the bus by the people trying to get from the back of it to the exit doors and, hopefully, you don't do what I did last week and nearly faint due to a combination of lack of air and somebody slamming their backpack into my buggered shoulder.

Berengaria1 · 12/02/2022 19:50

I cannot see what the issue is with this. You're not allowed to stand upstairs and the handles allow people of all heights to safely walk along the bus.

I cannot see how this encourages inappropriate touching. Some people really look for issues when there are none.

Nannewnannew · 12/02/2022 19:54

What on Earth are you on about?

user1471504747 · 12/02/2022 20:02

@user1471504747

I like that OP thinks there is only one bus route with that number, and also that everyone would know it Grin

The bus handle to SA connection is a bit far fetched unfortunately OP

I don’t know why I said unfortunately. Should probably be fortunately on second thoughts...
HunterHearstHelmsley · 12/02/2022 20:09

@oviraptor21

I agree OP. Bad enough sitting in a seat with a man's groin in touching distance. I also had no problem understanding what you meant by route 63. Aren't all bus services numbered?
It's the Birmingham-Frankley bus then.
Svara · 12/02/2022 20:20

@oviraptor21

I agree OP. Bad enough sitting in a seat with a man's groin in touching distance. I also had no problem understanding what you meant by route 63. Aren't all bus services numbered?
Gloucester to Forest Green?
NuffSaidSam · 12/02/2022 20:34

Tbh it probably doesn't actually matter which bus it is does it? That's not really the key information.

Svara · 12/02/2022 20:36

@NuffSaidSam

Tbh it probably doesn't actually matter which bus it is does it? That's not really the key information.
It's just funny that it's in the OP like it is important or meaningful
PonyPatter44 · 12/02/2022 20:40

There are some absolute wankers on this thread!

oviraptor21 · 13/02/2022 01:20

Yeah but there is more than one route 63 across the country

As PP have said, it really doesn't matter which 63 bus it is.

CatNameChange101 · 13/02/2022 01:54

Isn’t this just the layout of most coaches? What utter shite to make an issue of it.

melj1213 · 13/02/2022 02:07

I'm not sure what the issue is here?

I live in a tiny town in the NW of England and all of our buses (we only have routes 1-7) have had the handles on the seat backs for ages - they are mostly to help people keep their balance as they walk through a moving vehicle, and when it is busy it adds extra places for people to hold on (especially children who will be at seat height) without crowding round a single pole.

As for the bells on the back of seats, we don't have that but I wish we did - our buses have bells on the bars but they are every two/three rows so if you're sitting in a seat without a bar on the aisle seat you either have to lean forward over the row in front to press the bell in front, or reach behind you to press the bell in the row behind and either way, unless the bus is empty, you have to get in someone else's personal space while doing so.

If the bus is busy and you are sitting in the window seat then to press the bell you either have to fully lean forward over someone or put your arm round the person next to you to reach behind for the bell. I'd much rather have bells at each aisle seat, that way the worst you have to do if you're in the window seat is put your hand in the space in front of the person sitting next to you.

Flickflak · 13/02/2022 02:12

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alexdgr8 · 13/02/2022 02:31

i would have thought it is obvious to any grown up that it is not safe, not stable, to stand on upper deck.
there are also signs forbidding it, and automated announcements.

alexdgr8 · 13/02/2022 02:37

those grab handles look pretty standard.
haven't you seen them before, OP.
most london buses have them.
i do understand your concerns though, but whatever the layout, some people will misbehave.

sheusesmagazines · 13/02/2022 03:17

@Womencanlift

You do realise that there are other route 63’s outside of London OP Hmm - would have made your post clearer if you had clarified that from the beginning

Anyway as a regular user of a London buses myself I have been on these buses and no issues with them. Don’t really understand your concern. Plus the charging points are really handy

Also any London bus I have been on certainly don’t let you stand in the upper deck. Announcements come in and often the driver won’t move away from a stop until those standing either sit down or come down stairs

Same. I've lived and worked and studies all over London for 20 years and use buses frequently. I've almost never seen people stand upstairs for any significant length of time other than getting to and from a seat.

OP YABU. The pervs on buses generally just come sit next to you.

Anonymous48 · 13/02/2022 15:16

@VelvetChairGirl

"Wow! This would never occur to me. Have you had a bad experience in the past? I'm wondering if you should seek counselling if a simple public transportation redesign leads you to start thinking about sexual assault?"

I use buses all the time, I know what they are like.

You didn't answer my question.

newnameforthis76 · 13/02/2022 16:01

Loads of public transport vehicles have handles etc on the backs of seats. It doesn’t encourage groping at all. If someone wants to grope a woman on a bus, they’ll do it regardless of where the hand rails are.

VelvetChairGirl · 13/02/2022 16:05

@NeverDropYourMooncup

I'm more bothered by the design meaning I and many others are now significantly more likely to sustain injury due to the lack of a pole to hold onto when the bus lurches - if I could even get hold of the seat handles, the position and angle is absolutely perfect to wrench my shoulder out of its socket again.
Harder for kids to hold on to aswell and I am baffled as to why both seats in a row have a handle as if people have monkey arms to reach over the first seat to grab the handle on the window seat.
OP posts:
VelvetChairGirl · 13/02/2022 16:06

@Womencanlift

You do realise that there are other route 63’s outside of London OP Hmm - would have made your post clearer if you had clarified that from the beginning

Anyway as a regular user of a London buses myself I have been on these buses and no issues with them. Don’t really understand your concern. Plus the charging points are really handy

Also any London bus I have been on certainly don’t let you stand in the upper deck. Announcements come in and often the driver won’t move away from a stop until those standing either sit down or come down stairs

theres a link right there.
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VelvetChairGirl · 13/02/2022 16:09

@Svara

If you are sitting you are miles away from the back of the seat in front, except maybe knees? What would they 'accidentally' touch?
the back of your seat has a handle on it so its next to your shoulder Hmm
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