63 bus encouraging inapproperate touching?

[VelvetChairGirl]

I was going to post this in the feminism board but I decided to post it here instead, the new 63 bus has done away with polls in favour of handles on the side of seats and request stop buttons on the back of seats. does anyone else think this will encourage perverts to touch women and girls under the guise of just holding onto the handles or trying to reach the stop bus buttons?

www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/fleet-of-new-electric-buses-coming-to-route-63-51749/

I thought it was just the old routemasters that were no standing on the upperdeck I have not seen anyone told off for it since they and their conductors were gotten rid of.

Also in London and it's no standing on the upper deck here.

When it's busy people do crowd around the poles as pp said too.

Maybe yours is quite a local issue? You should report to TFL.

My mum can't reach the overhead ones!

But come live here if you are worried, buses are always empty, or cancelled completely

@CailleachGranda

Looks great although I had to Google what route 63 meant.

It was posted as if we all should know

thought it was pretty common all over the country for bus routes to be numbered.

Really OP? I've heard of Route 66. Never route 63

It would be very uncomfortable to stand and balance with only a low handle to grab onto.

Never knew you couldn’t stand on the top floor!

I agree with @CailleachGranda about finding the 63 part confusing tbh, the link helped to clarify it was about a London bus route. While I think it's pretty much the only way I've seen routes numbered (occasionally 1a, 1b etc) clearly you are on about a particular route here and the title and first post were too brief to really get a complete grasp without the link. Fairly certain the 63 bus here is an extremely rural ancient bus that can barely make the complete journey with the doors still on board if it goes above 30 mph.

I think if a pervert wants to touch up women on public transport he’ll find a way regardless of where the handles and buttons are located. The problem needs to be tackled in other ways.

The new 63 bus has done away with polls in favour of handles.
What were they voting for and how do you vote with a handle?

@WabbitsAndWeasels

I agree with *@CailleachGranda* about finding the 63 part confusing tbh, the link helped to clarify it was about a London bus route. While I think it's pretty much the only way I've seen routes numbered (occasionally 1a, 1b etc) clearly you are on about a particular route here and the title and first post were too brief to really get a complete grasp without the link. Fairly certain the 63 bus here is an extremely rural ancient bus that can barely make the complete journey with the doors still on board if it goes above 30 mph.

. Our route 63 goes from the suburbs into Edinburgh city centre

I'm more bothered by the design meaning I and many others are now significantly more likely to sustain injury due to the lack of a pole to hold onto when the bus lurches - if I could even get hold of the seat handles, the position and angle is absolutely perfect to wrench my shoulder out of its socket again.

Our number 63 goes from the city centre to Big Asda!

It is a London-centric way of phrasing it.

I think if people can grab handles they are less likely to grab a woman, whether ‘accidentally’ or not. I have been ‘accidentally’ grabbed before and more handles should hopefully stop that.

You do realise that there are other route 63’s outside of London OP - would have made your post clearer if you had clarified that from the beginning

Anyway as a regular user of a London buses myself I have been on these buses and no issues with them. Don’t really understand your concern. Plus the charging points are really handy

Also any London bus I have been on certainly don’t let you stand in the upper deck. Announcements come in and often the driver won’t move away from a stop until those standing either sit down or come down stairs

@MrsTophamHat

Our number 63 goes from the city centre to Big Asda!

It is a London-centric way of phrasing it.

It's not London-centric. It's OP-centric.

I live in London and know as much about the 63 bus route as you do!

@MrsTophamHat

Our number 63 goes from the city centre to Big Asda!

It is a London-centric way of phrasing it.

Couldn't agree more - our 63 is Gloucester to Stroud. And back again

Yabu

@NeverDropYourMooncup

I'm more bothered by the design meaning I and many others are now significantly more likely to sustain injury due to the lack of a pole to hold onto when the bus lurches - if I could even get hold of the seat handles, the position and angle is absolutely perfect to wrench my shoulder out of its socket again.

You're not supposed to stand upstairs anyway. Follow the rules and you'll be fine.

For one you’re being ridiculous, if people want to grope they will grope. They are the issue not the handles.
For another ridiculous thing, why ‘the 63’, such a London centric attitude. Acting like we all should know this London bus has new handles

This seat handles look exactly the same as every bus I've ever been on.

I'd rather this than a pole, with someone, either sex, swaying against me as they're holding onto the pole. This has more stability, and is less touchy as far as I'm concerned, and sex doesn't come into it, I don't want anyone touching or swaying near me

Perves gonna perve whatever.

@FelicityBeedle

For one you’re being ridiculous, if people want to grope they will grope. They are the issue not the handles. For another ridiculous thing, why ‘the 63’, such a London centric attitude. Acting like we all should know this London bus has new handles

It's not London centric. It's OP-centric.

Everyone in London doesn't know every single bus route fgs. I know as much about the 63 as you do.

Do they have a teleportation port on both decks, or do you have to get to your seat whilst whilst the bus is moving - and then back down again as the bus approaches your intended stop? That's the point at which you're likely to need a pole - to get to and from the seats and navigate the turn of the stairs.

Actually living in London, you cannot expect a bus driver to wait whilst everybody troops upstairs and then sit and wait for somebody to get up after they have come to a stop and then make their way downstairs.

If you are sitting you are miles away from the back of the seat in front, except maybe knees? What would they 'accidentally' touch?

@NeverDropYourMooncup

Do they have a teleportation port on both decks, or do you have to get to your seat whilst whilst the bus is moving - and then back down again as the bus approaches your intended stop? That's the point at which you're likely to need a pole - to get to and from the seats and navigate the turn of the stairs.

Actually living in London, you cannot expect a bus driver to wait whilst everybody troops upstairs and then sit and wait for somebody to get up after they have come to a stop and then make their way downstairs.

I assume if the handles were a big problem you wouldn't go upstairs in the first place.

If you did, you'd come down the stairs the stop before (while it's stopped), like anyone with any sense does?

Although, I do agree that poles are better to hold onto than these handles!