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I'm proud to be a woman too

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Wednesdayafternoon · 09/02/2022 11:46

Just in the back of Adele's speech last night at the brits which appears to have kicked off on Twitter... just wondering... am I actually being unreasonable to being proud of my sexuality too?

If members of the lgbt community want acceptance and open mindedness to their sexuality choice of being none binary, why is it wrong for others to be proud of who they are too?

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Cryalot2 · 09/02/2022 12:32

I am proud to be the sex I was born. Which is female.

Mind you at times I felt it must be great to be the opposite sex ( as males always were seen superior and deemed to be in charge and had to have their own way)

But I am myself and I don't feel that I should have to apologise for that.

Wednesdayafternoon · 09/02/2022 12:35

@Hoppinggreen @AgathaAllAlong

Yeah I suppose I see what you mean. But I suppose I just feel proud of who I am and all the things I've got through and done in my life and being a woman is part of who I am. Im very into it with my feminist. I've been in an emotionally abusive relationship with a man which I've overcome, I'm a Mum, I'm a sister and a daughter, I having breastfed for over 4 years in total with 2 babies and I'm proud of all of those things. They make me who I am.
I understand that not everyone feels the same, and that is absolutely fine and understandable, but that understanding should work both ways and if you want to say you're proud of any part of yourself whether it's your achievements, your gender, your relationships... you should be able to!

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Wednesdayafternoon · 09/02/2022 12:39

**very in touch with my femininity.

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Campervan69 · 09/02/2022 12:41

@fablett

Me too OP. Women and girls face real and different challenges from boys and men. To have overcome these and made a success of my life makes me very proud to be a woman and very proud of the many women in my life who have done the same.

I totally reject the concept of a man identifying as a woman and any man who says he knows what it feels like to be a woman can do one as far as I'm concerned.

Seconded.

Proud to be a woman.

#adulthumanfemale

Notwithittoday · 09/02/2022 12:41

I am proud of me. I think owning a female body has its own particular challenges and I see women struggling, sacrificing, overcoming and succeeding all the time. I’m proud of those women too.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 09/02/2022 12:43

@AgathaAllAlong

I'm not proud to be a woman. It's nothing I've done, why should I be proud? Makes as much sense as being proud to be white or English or whatever. I'm not ashamed of it and I like being a woman, but for me pride is the wrong word.

If what Adele means she is proud to be a woman artist, having succeeded in an industry which does not make that easy, then sure that's fair enough.

This. I’m happy to be a woman but I’m not proud of it, because it’s not down to anything I’ve achieved by myself.
Chasingaftermidnight · 09/02/2022 12:44

I'm not proud to be a woman. It's nothing I've done, why should I be proud? Makes as much sense as being proud to be white or English or whatever. I'm not ashamed of it and I like being a woman, but for me pride is the wrong word.

If what Adele means she is proud to be a woman artist, having succeeded in an industry which does not make that easy, then sure that's fair enough.

I think she actually said:

‘I understand why the name of this award has changed but I really love being a woman and being a female artist. I do. I am really proud of us.’

roastedsaltedpeanut · 09/02/2022 12:45

I am proud of myself and I am a woman. I am proud of being a woman.
Woman is a social identity where we are celebrated but also restraint by social rules, some of the rules are thousands of years old and deeply engrained in the fabric of all societies. Being a woman is an identity that is forever evolving. Our rights to ownership, to vote, to wear trousers, to do ‘men sports’ or ‘men jobs’ are all relatively recent phenomenal. it is fun to be a woman and it is also stressful to be a woman. But I am proud of what us womenfolk have achieved over the last century and I look forward to future changes.

I am fine with born male wanting to join the group and be a woman but I cannot stand the current trend of trans group trying to belittle the original female women as if we are substandard.
Either join us and be like a woman or F off and create your own group.

Casimira · 09/02/2022 12:46

I am proud to be a woman, a female.

My biology means I’ve menstruated since 14. I survived ovarian cancer in my twenties. I’ve been through three pregnancies, two ending in miscarriages and one in a gorgeous little baby who I breastfed for two years.

These experiences have shaped me into who I am and nobody can take that away from me.

purpleboy · 09/02/2022 12:55

@AgathaAllAlong

I'm not proud to be a woman. It's nothing I've done, why should I be proud? Makes as much sense as being proud to be white or English or whatever. I'm not ashamed of it and I like being a woman, but for me pride is the wrong word.

If what Adele means she is proud to be a woman artist, having succeeded in an industry which does not make that easy, then sure that's fair enough.

I get your sentiment behind this, but actually I think your not giving women the credit they deserve for all the shit they take in life.

I'm proud to be a woman because I managed to be successful in my work whilst many pushed against it.
I've given birth and raised 2 daughters, I've carried on working, volunteering for women's charities, running the home as a single parent, despite the comments from many I should be at home.
I've recovered from 2 rapes and multiple sexual assaults over the years and have never given up on my recovery.
I've recovered from miscarriages.

These are all things that have happened to me because I'm a woman, I've achieved great things in my life and overcome many hurdles to get there, so yes I'm proud to be a woman, and I think we should be able to say that without being shouted down as transphobic.

Whatafustercluck · 09/02/2022 13:48

I'm proud to be me, and my experiences as a woman have helped shape and define the values I hold and the person i am. Therefore, I am proud to be a woman and part of a movement of other women who refuse to be 'cervix havers' or a 'person who menstruates'.

Context is everything. Adele said she understands why the name of the award was changed, in a nod to fellow artists who were previously excluded such as Sam Smith - fair enough. We now have police officers and firefighters rather than policemen and firemen. An artist is an artist, after all, doing away with specific awards for men and women is in the same vein as referring to comediennes as comedians and actresses as actors.

But to be vilified just for going on to say 'but I am proud to be a woman' is ridiculous and a sign of the times we find ourselves in now. You can be proud to be a part of the gay community, trans, non binary etc but God forbid you're proud to be a woman.

babyjellyfish · 09/02/2022 13:54

I don't feel proud to be a woman in the same way I don't feel proud to be British. Both are an accident of birth, not an achievement.

I do feel proud of the fact that I grew and gave birth to a human, which is something only women can do (even though not all women can or choose to do it).

Being a woman has affected my life in so many ways and it is really important to me. I don't want the word to become meaningless.

Somethingsnappy · 09/02/2022 14:14

@Casimira

I am proud to be a woman, a female.

My biology means I’ve menstruated since 14. I survived ovarian cancer in my twenties. I’ve been through three pregnancies, two ending in miscarriages and one in a gorgeous little baby who I breastfed for two years.

These experiences have shaped me into who I am and nobody can take that away from me.

Hear hear!
thisplaceisweird · 09/02/2022 14:19

Finding an obscure/extreme group on a known to be toxic social media site and then saying "people are saying..." as if it's general fact makes you part of the problem. You are stirring.
Some people will always have issues with everything. Live and let live. Nobody is stopping you from saying the words you want to say.

Wednesdayafternoon · 09/02/2022 14:47

@thisplaceisweird

Finding an obscure/extreme group on a known to be toxic social media site and then saying "people are saying..." as if it's general fact makes you part of the problem. You are stirring. Some people will always have issues with everything. Live and let live. Nobody is stopping you from saying the words you want to say.
Ermmm I don't really agree with this. Adele has been trending on Twitter for the reason in my post. This is a fact not gossip. Ive made a post to talk about it, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not bad mouthing anybody, I'm just sharing my reaction with anyone who wishes to talk about it.

If you want to ignore or not discuss topics you've had an emotive response to or don't fully understand or agree with then that is absolutely fine, you don't have to. But discussion is part of learning and understanding and sharing and there's not a single thing wrong with that.

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Migrainesbythedozen · 09/02/2022 15:22

A lot of it seemed to be started by one man, his tweet became viral around twitter. I include a screenshot of his tweet, and just a few replies to him:

I'm proud to be a woman too
I'm proud to be a woman too
WorriedMumsDontSleep · 09/02/2022 15:30

I'm proud of Adele.
Absolute sham that the awards are gender neutral. We've had our token lots of female wins this year. Mark my words, it will slide into sausage fest in subsequent years.

And it's pointless anyway because it's all for NB Sam Smith and the only way he's winning anything is if they introduce a Sam Smith category. As he is shit.

Whatafustercluck · 09/02/2022 16:36

the only way he's winning anything is if they introduce a Sam Smith category. As he is shit.
😂

RaininSummer · 09/02/2022 17:42

I don't actually see how you can be proud of being something you had no choice or input on. Great to be a woman and like it but proud seems a strange thing to say

Verv · 09/02/2022 18:03

This is not "the LGBT"
It is the T, and those allied with the T who seek to erase sex in favour of gender identity.

Somebodylikeyew · 09/02/2022 18:12

This is why I don’t think the T Belongs with the LGB. They’re describing such different things. Three are sexual orientations, the fourth is a fundamentally different thing and it’s impossible to draw parallels that work for all.

WorriedMumsDontSleep · 09/02/2022 18:16

@Whatafustercluck

the only way he's winning anything is if they introduce a Sam Smith category. As he is shit. 😂
Well he might also sweep the Whiny Non Binary category I suppose.
EishetChayil · 09/02/2022 18:17

I've known it all along. The activists won't be happy until they've convinced us that being a woman is an act of transphobia.

Bortles · 09/02/2022 18:22

All kinds of confusion in your post op.
Bio sex
Gender id
Sexuality

All completely different things.

Goatsaregreat · 09/02/2022 18:26

Well said OP.

Bortles - maybe read the thread - the OP has acknowledged this already.