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to question if the squeeze on living standards will not be temporary?

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bindud · 03/02/2022 17:53

"British families are facing the biggest squeeze on living standards for 30 years as surging prices and tax rises take their toll."

"The Bank of England forecast a 2pc fall in incomes after tax this year – the worst since its records began in 1990. In 2023, they’re set to fall 0.5pc."

Apparently things will get better in 2023, but will they?

We have the frozen income tax bands, ageing population, & most likely more wage stagnation after a decade of it after the 08 crash.

Is life just going to be more & more expensive going forward for the vast majority of people? or am i being too pessimistic?

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gracedentssketty · 05/02/2022 17:27

I'm worried. And looking to go back to 35 hours a week (currently 28) to swell the coffers and cover the increases (I am aware actually having this option makes me lucky)

DrManhattan · 05/02/2022 17:40

It won't get worse for Rishi Sunak.

DrManhattan · 05/02/2022 17:46

@isitbedtimeplease
Totally agree with you. That post is verging on a humble brag

colouringindoors · 05/02/2022 19:19

It won't get worse for Rishi Sunak

Seriously Angry

colouringindoors · 05/02/2022 19:24

I’m unsure if we’ll feel it yet. So far we’ve absorbed rises without a problem. The mortgages on this house and the second house are paid off, but we have 2 gutsy vehicles. Swapping one for a sensible car makes sense, but I love mine sad. I won’t know how hard the impact will be until the new power bills hit tbh. Right now we’re rather comfortable but that may change in a heartbeat and we know it. I’ve overpaid the power so have £1100 in credit and I’m hoping that buys us time if it starts to cripple our disposable income. I don’t see it lasting long if the predictions are correct. DH was going to retire at 60 (54 now) and I’m studying for a new role with less work but neither may be as feasible as we thought 2 years ago. I’m 41 now and may well work until I’m late 60s now. It’s so hard to predict!

We have more foodbanks than mcdonalds. Hundreds of thousands of families already in poverty for whom increases in cost of food and fuel are simply impossible to afford. I'm incredulous at your post.

beautifullymad · 06/02/2022 08:49

The big squeeze I remember is in the early 1970's when decimalisation came In then we joined the Common Market. My mother still complains bitterly about it even now.
Prices rose steeply in a matter of months and didn't go back down.

There are old ways of making ends meet, it's not pleasant or easy but it is possible.

We walked everywhere, I remember my mum having to buy new solid rubber tyres for the pram as they had worn down to the metal!

We heated one room during the day and none at night. Wore layers to keep warm. In the morning children were wrapped in a blanket and carried down to the 'warm' room to get dressed. Our house was freezing apart from that one room.
No snacking because in the 1970's there were no snacks,
Porridge for breakfast. A home made sandwich for lunch with a flask of tea to warm you up. Supper was vegetable rich, a simple but filling one.

The oven was on strictly only once a week and every inch was utilised. Meals were then chilled and reheated on the gas hob as the cheapest fuel option. Still today a favourite pudding is stale cupcake with a spoonful of golden syrup and some hot custard poured over.

We foraged for food, field mushroom (we knew what we were doing) berries and nettles. Nettles are delicious.
We dug up our small garden to grow vegetables and pickled and canned and made chutney.

We had a hot bath once a week on Sundays. The water was shared children first. We strip washed with water from a kettle every day in between so we were always clean.

Washing machine went on once a week and was a twin tub so the hot water was reused.

Clothes in those days were homemade as it was the cheapest way back then, and made with growing room so things were taken in and up for the next wearer. Jumpers were unpicked and good wool re knitted to form new jumpers.

Frugal times but happy times.

People today mostly have never had to live like this. But I know it's possible from experience.

That was an era of choosing heating or eating and I fear we will be seeing similar to the 1970's again now.

It had settled by the 1980's. I remember having daily showers and heating by then and even the odd take-a-way.

I had a wood burner stove fitted last year so I can forage for firewood (seasoned for the coming years) as we live in a wood it makes sense. I bought a large metal pot for the top so I can have water simmering for evening hot drinks.
But I'm not looking forward to helping teenagers adjust to this type of living. Everything is electronic and plugged in now. And as PP have said, eating out is normal to the youth now. They think nothing of grabbing a take a way from a fast food chain for lunch.

I was raised frugally and still live frugally. I don't think it ever leaves you. I can't recall the last time I bought full price or new clothes for myself.

I've signed up as a volunteer to help-out with young families who are struggling. A lot of people won't know how to make this work because they have never had to.

Bringsexyback · 06/02/2022 08:59

@beautifullymad all very sweet nostalgia but we shouldn’t be going backwards and indeed we cant. Technology has advanced, you cannot except the generation whove built a metauniverse to go forging in the woods for a bloody mushroom

beautifullymad · 06/02/2022 09:07

[quote Bringsexyback]@beautifullymad all very sweet nostalgia but we shouldn’t be going backwards and indeed we cant. Technology has advanced, you cannot except the generation whove built a metauniverse to go forging in the woods for a bloody mushroom[/quote]
I'm really not expecting them to do this at all Grin.

But things like putting the oven on once a week and then reheating food really helps keep bills down.

There are parts of the past that can help, I'm in no way suggesting it can all be transferred.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/02/2022 09:34

@SerendipityJane

So what? We throw people in the workhouse if their business is no longer profitable? Lovely

That's where we're headed. Prove me wrong.

It will be called a facilitation unit, where the disabled and unemployed can be facilitated to find work while having secure and low cost communal housing

Lucky though aren't we I mean we could have ended up with Jeremy Corbyn and his free Internet and a funded health service, bullet squarly dodged Hmm

Do none of you think of all those poor shareholders, sweating blood and tears working every hour god sends tolling in the dividend mines, have a heart

ancientgran · 06/02/2022 10:10

I don't remember all that in the 70s. I remember the inflation, I remember being very short of money. I definitely remember being cold. I didn't make handmade clothes as I'm hopeless at sewing and it would have been a waste of money, if clothes were all homemade then it makes you wonder why C&A was packed on a Saturday or why Mothercare were doing a roaring trade.

I had more than one bath a week, I had the oven on more than once a week. A washing machine was a luxury I couldn't afford, I do remember buying a spindryer in about 1973 and that seemed wonderful. I boiled a kettle if I wanted a cuppa at lunchtime.

Of course there were snacks in the 70s, what a ridiculous statement. We had biscuits (sweet and savoury), crisps, fruit, tinned things like soup or baked beans.

We had no car, no phone, cheap bus fares.

I must have been on a parallel universe.

People lived in different ways in the 70s just like they do now.

ancientgran · 06/02/2022 10:12

Just to be clear lots of people did have cars and phones, just in my house we didn't.

Kendodd · 06/02/2022 10:30

beautifullymad

The big squeeze I remember is in the early 1970's when decimalisation came In then we joined the Common Market.
And the 1960s were a land of milk and honey with abundant heat and hot water then?

Bringsexyback · 06/02/2022 10:30

I think the other thing to be crystal clear on in the 70s is it you didn’t need a mobile phone to apply for universal credits, you didn’t need a car because everything was local and everybody just went to the local school the local hairdressers the local butchers the local grocers and that was enough for you you didn’t feel the need to search out and see if there was a better option somewhere else.
@beautifullymad i’m honestly not having a dig at you because I know that you have the purist of intentions and a good heart but the trouble is the survival tactics of 1970 I’m not going to work 50 years later.

Kendodd · 06/02/2022 10:31

And why are we even just meekly accepting all this poverty?

bindud · 06/02/2022 10:37

i’m honestly not having a dig at you because I know that you have the purist of intentions and a good heart but the trouble is the survival tactics of 1970 I’m not going to work 50 years later.

Have working hours/patterns changed so people have less time. I know commutes have increased.

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ancientgran · 06/02/2022 10:38

@Kendodd

beautifullymad

The big squeeze I remember is in the early 1970's when decimalisation came In then we joined the Common Market.
And the 1960s were a land of milk and honey with abundant heat and hot water then?

God no, the 60s were hard for alot of people although where I lived the people in the car factories were doing well. No double glazing and no central heating for any of my family so life was still cold in the 60s.

The 50s were even worse, I lived in an innercity area where we played on bomb sites, mind you that was fun as I remember it, the walk up the backyard to the outside loo wasn't fun but we were quite posh as we didn't have to share one. At school the toilets were outside as well and we didn't have anywhere to wash our hands and everything froze solid in winter so the toilets were definitely a health hazard. Obviously no bathroom and women worked very hard, the sheer effort of getting the water boiled and heating enough for a bath infront of the fire must have been hard, not much in the way of convenience food, doing the weekly wash was setting up the boiler in the brew house in the yard, hand washing everything and of course negotiating with the other women in the yard which day you could actually do your washing.

No rosy glow of nostalgia here.

Kendodd · 06/02/2022 10:44

Have working hours/patterns changed so people have less time. I know commutes have increased.

Yes they have. Women now work full time and the working week is longer.

ancientgran · 06/02/2022 10:44

@Bringsexyback

I think the other thing to be crystal clear on in the 70s is it you didn’t need a mobile phone to apply for universal credits, you didn’t need a car because everything was local and everybody just went to the local school the local hairdressers the local butchers the local grocers and that was enough for you you didn’t feel the need to search out and see if there was a better option somewhere else. *@beautifullymad* i’m honestly not having a dig at you because I know that you have the purist of intentions and a good heart but the trouble is the survival tactics of 1970 I’m not going to work 50 years later.
Everybody didn't do the same thing. My eldest was going to grammar school as the 70s turned to the 80s. Like many children where I lived he had an hours bus ride to the school as children had been doing for the last 30 years since the school was built.

I went to grammar school and it involved 3 buses if I wanted to miss the city centre or two if I went right into the city, walked across it and got a bus the other way. I was out of the house from 7.45 till after 5 pm. Plenty of people had to travel to work or school.

It was normal in my city to travel into the city centre to get cheap food at the market, just shopping at local shops was too expensive. Bus fares were cheap though.

We didn't need a phone or a computer to apply for benefits or sort out tax, you travelled to an office which may or may not have been local, queued up sometimes for hours and filled in forms. I'm not sure that was a positive.

ancientgran · 06/02/2022 10:46

I'm not sure what the point is of trying to compare now and the 70s. It was a different world and the 50s were different again. None of it makes what is happening now any easier or harder.

ancientgran · 06/02/2022 10:48

@Kendodd

Have working hours/patterns changed so people have less time. I know commutes have increased.

Yes they have. Women now work full time and the working week is longer.

Plenty of women worked fulltime in the 70s, I did and all the other young women/mothers I knew did.

What is a standard working week now 35 hrs? 44 was standard when I started work in the 60s.

Long commutes have increased for many but more people, particularly women, have cars so it wasn't always any easier back then.

ancientgran · 06/02/2022 10:49

Life was tough back then for many of us, life is tough for many now and it is going to get tougher.

Bringsexyback · 06/02/2022 10:51

Well my parents lived a very modest life my dad and £2,000 a year and the house cost £11,000
There was no question of my mum working at all until my younger sister went to school aged 4, i was 8 by then. She did a few hours at the local pub to pay for treats.

JaceLancs · 06/02/2022 10:55

The 60s and 70s were hard but expectations were different and we didn’t need cars or phones just to exist
Personally the late 90s were worse for me as a struggling lone parent
I worry about my adult children and their children

Oblomov22 · 06/02/2022 10:58

This is not a short term thing. Sad

beguilingeyes · 06/02/2022 11:04

My dad worked in a factory and yet could buy a house on one salary and now that's pretty much an impossible dream.
Something's gone seriously wrong with pay in this country.
When I worked for Barclays Bob Diamond, the chief exec got £20 million bonus pretty much every year. It's insane.

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