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Cbtb · 29/01/2022 17:55

If a road is wide enough for two way traffic then there is enough room to overtake by moving into the oncoming lane. If there is not enough room for two way traffic then there is not enough room to overtake. If you can’t move into the oncoming lane due due to oncoming traffic you can’t overtake

heartonthetyne · 29/01/2022 18:02

@Proudboomer how many times do people need to be told that there is no such thing as road tax? Bikes pay the VED as low emission / electric cars - zero.

Kennykenkencat · 29/01/2022 18:04

@Cbtb

If a road is wide enough for two way traffic then there is enough room to overtake by moving into the oncoming lane. If there is not enough room for two way traffic then there is not enough room to overtake. If you can’t move into the oncoming lane due due to oncoming traffic you can’t overtake

You would have to have a lot of clear road to overtake in order to avoid oncoming traffic

If you can’t overtake you have to go slow and clog up the streets which just makes the air quality worse.

Remember you aren’t just meaning a car has to get past a middle of the road cyclist there are HGVs with trailers who are going to have to manoeuvre onto the other lane then make sure that the last bit of trailer has cleared the cyclist otherwise there are going to be a lot of dead cyclists.

Smallkeys · 29/01/2022 18:17

Horse people a question recently I was joining a motorway from a slip road and literally ran out of road and had to slam on the breaks due to a car with a horse box did they not move over as you can’t with horses in the back ?

ifIwerenotanandroid · 29/01/2022 18:21

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9905109/Britains-BIGGEST-bike-lane-Shambolic-11ft-2in-wide-cycle-path.html#reader-comments

www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/19767395.second-section-leigh-road-construction-works-now-complete/

These are about the same road scheme, which looks... interesting. Not only is this another wide one (narrowing the road for motorists), the second article says one of the cycle lanes is two-way & then the next section is one lane on either side of the road.

How do road users know which is which? Do these designs work in practice? Do cyclists ignore the crossing, or perhaps sweep across it (no traffic lights)? It sounds dangerous - is it?

daisychain01 · 29/01/2022 18:23

@GoldenOmber

As on the other side were 8 riders riding two abreast high fiving each other and doing the finger to the motorists. Shouting its the law twats!

Golly.

This is totally different to my experience, so I guess it really must depend what area you're in. Those cyclists were idiots and that behaviour isn't normal where I live, as we have loads of cycle clubs in our area, so I know how they behave and it isn't like that.

I'm a daily cyclist and over the past 2 weeks I've seen a marked improvement in the way cars pass me - much slower and wider, and I live in a rural area, mostly B Roads. Lately I've been holding my hand up and saying thank you far more than before the HC changed. Mind you I'm not one of those utter knuckleheads cycling with no lights and black Lycra - I value my life so I have a bright yellow top, dipped light on my crash helmet and lights front and back, so I'm always seen. I cannot for the life of me think why anyone would want to be invisible on a bike, madness.

Cbtb · 29/01/2022 18:25

Kennykenkat. Yes you do need a lot of clear road just as if you are overtaking a car or a HGV or anything else. You cannot squeeze past in the same lane.

I commute to work by bike and go past a factory and it’s depot. I am passed daily by about 20 HGVs on this mile and a half stretch of road, they all move into the opposite lane to overtake. I pull over also when safe, If there is a build up. I also fully move into the opposite road when overtaking anything when driving a car, so do most people. It’s only a few idiots that try and overtake in the same lane that has needed a new set of rules

lightisnotwhite · 29/01/2022 18:33

[quote heartonthetyne]@Proudboomer how many times do people need to be told that there is no such thing as road tax? Bikes pay the VED as low emission / electric cars - zero. [/quote]
Tax for emissions is relatively new though. It could get changed to reflect anything government wants. Any road user that expects to be treated as a road user should pay it.
And cyclists should be insured.

Lockheart · 29/01/2022 18:34

@Smallkeys

Horse people a question recently I was joining a motorway from a slip road and literally ran out of road and had to slam on the breaks due to a car with a horse box did they not move over as you can’t with horses in the back ?

It's your responsibility to join the motorway safely, it's not on other road users to move over and make room for you. That was a failure on your part.

And yes, when you're towing something then changing lanes is more hazardous.

CaptaNoctem · 29/01/2022 18:37

I'm not looking forward to my commute through Cheddar Gorge this week and I've finally got around to installing my dashcam.

It's bad enough anyway but if cyclists come belting down the blind bends two abreast there will be some bad accidents.

Alexandra2001 · 29/01/2022 18:38

You would have to have a lot of clear road to overtake in order to avoid oncoming traffic

I thought cyclists crawled along 5mph and added 40mins to your commute? Now apparently, you need a mile of clear road to get by lol

If you can’t overtake you have to go slow and clog up the streets which just makes the air quality worse

You shouldn't be going much faster than a cyclist in an urban area, if at all - car traffic in most inner city areas is lucky to get to 10mph due to the shear volume of traffic.

64000 people die each and every year due to air pollution, much of it from cars.

So will kill more people in 3 years than a Pandemic has.... and car drivers have the nerve to have a go at cyclists

mumda · 29/01/2022 18:42

[quote heartonthetyne]@Proudboomer how many times do people need to be told that there is no such thing as road tax? Bikes pay the VED as low emission / electric cars - zero. [/quote]
Although bikes don't have to fill in the form that electric cars do.

Smallkeys · 29/01/2022 19:09

Lock heart / eh no it wasn’t my failure it was entirely because of the horse and car but I put it down to being difficult to move I did try to adjust my speed accordingly they did not. It was really just a question not a blame exercise but thanks for blaming me anyway very helpful. I am actually a very considerate driver

Lockheart · 29/01/2022 19:12

@Smallkeys

Lock heart / eh no it wasn’t my failure it was entirely because of the horse and car but I put it down to being difficult to move I did try to adjust my speed accordingly they did not. It was really just a question not a blame exercise but thanks for blaming me anyway very helpful. I am actually a very considerate driver

As a (presumably) qualified driver you should know that when you are joining a motorway or similar from a slip road, the onus is on the joining driver (you, in that case) to join safely.

There is no requirement or obligation for the drivers already on the motorway to move for you. Many will, if it is safe to do so, because it is a nicety, but if you cannot join a motorway safely then that is your fault and not the fault of the driver on the motorway.

whynotwhatknot · 29/01/2022 19:13

is it in the hc to wear visible clothing because they dont do that alot either

AuntyBumBum · 29/01/2022 19:29

@whynotwhatknot

is it in the hc to wear visible clothing because they dont do that alot either

Yes

PurpleCarpets · 29/01/2022 19:35

@CaptaNoctem

I'm not looking forward to my commute through Cheddar Gorge this week and I've finally got around to installing my dashcam.

It's bad enough anyway but if cyclists come belting down the blind bends two abreast there will be some bad accidents.

On the wrong side of the road? Yes and it would be the same for any vehicle coming round a blind bend on the wrong side of the road or indeed one cyclist alone. If they are on the right side of the road are you suggesting that they are somehow to blame for other road users driving round blind bends on the wrong side?

Darbs76 · 29/01/2022 19:35

Middle of the lane is in certain circumstances only, like when you need to be more visible. Not so you can chat with your cycling mates

Cbtb · 29/01/2022 20:10

Why would two cyclists going round a blind bend abrest be worse than one? It dosent make the cyclist less able to stop - cyclists (or any other road user) shouldn’t be going round blind bends too fast to stop if there is a fallen tree/broken down car/alien invasion just round the corner.

daisychain01 · 29/01/2022 20:14

@Darbs76

Middle of the lane is in certain circumstances only, like when you need to be more visible. Not so you can chat with your cycling mates

Absolutely! I don't cycle in the middle of the road, it's totally unnecessary, my view is why would I block motorists from being able to safely pass me. I do cycle out from the gutter a bit more than before, just to avoid drain covers and road surface dips, especnow that te HC says I can but the cars who've passed me recently have done so safely and without the need to sandwich themselves between me and an oncoming vehicle.

To my mind if people use the HC intelligently, these new changes are very sensible safe and fair to motorists and cyclists. The fact there are utter twats on the road in cars and on bikes is a whole other matter!

Smallkeys · 29/01/2022 20:24

Well lockheart if we all took the approach that it is only a nicety to help cars to joint fast flowing traffic there would be a hell of a lot of accidents . I’ve never had to break hence my question of horse box owners it it too dangerous to change lane or slow down speed up with horse in the back.

MsJinks · 29/01/2022 20:26

Ever since a teen just fell with his bike into the road unexpectedly totally frightening me I have given enough room for all cyclists to randomly do the same 🤷🏼‍♀️ which generally doesn’t hold me up too much, though as I live at top of a hill that can be a bit frustrating. I get very nervous of cyclists manoeuvring through tiny gaps at roundabouts or traffic lights, and if they’re inches from me I make sure they have set off first safely, I don’t shout at them, though have seen a few altercations at these times - I have also been both driven and cycled into when stopped at lights and both driver and cyclist were annoyed as if somehow I’d deliberately and unreasonably stopped in a line of traffic at lights 🤦🏻‍♀️ - as I said before many road users do need to be a bit less entitled and a bit more mindful of just avoiding accidents- no good being ‘right’ but dead! I don’t think lockdown empty roads helped - saw many angry drivers thinking they owned the roads that should be kept clear for them and think some of that stuck with some.

Lockheart · 29/01/2022 20:27

@Smallkeys

Well lockheart if we all took the approach that it is only a nicety to help cars to joint fast flowing traffic there would be a hell of a lot of accidents . I’ve never had to break hence my question of horse box owners it it too dangerous to change lane or slow down speed up with horse in the back.

It is only a nicety, the highway code is very clear on this matter. You should know this if you drive!

Alexandra2001 · 29/01/2022 20:30

@Smallkeys

Well lockheart if we all took the approach that it is only a nicety to help cars to joint fast flowing traffic there would be a hell of a lot of accidents . I’ve never had to break hence my question of horse box owners it it too dangerous to change lane or slow down speed up with horse in the back.

You are supposed to moderate your speed to filter onto the Motorway, so if you see a horsebox to your right, ease up, filter in behind it, if you have a decent car and the slip is long, speed up.

Vehicles may not be able to move across on busy roads or with faster traffic to their right.

Cbtb · 29/01/2022 20:48

Maybe these will help for those that don’t seem to get that as long as you always go over the central line when overtaking it shouldn’t matter where the cyclist is in the lane and why it’s easier to overtake cyclists side by side