To ask if you can think of an excuse which will get 11yo off PE for the rest of term?

[HelloKittyGirl]

Just that, basically. What would get her off games for a few weeks?

PS: Oh I get it, I googled and it means 'jump the queue'; I'd imagined 'cut in line' was something more complicated and even sinister :-).

Well I don't think she should be encouraged to push her way to the front at a supermarket check out but wouldn't blame anyone for trying to move up an NHS waiting list or even a housing list.

@laiste there is a difference between bunking PE and even parents turning a blind eye, and the parent agreeing with their dc to make up a lie and the parent then lying to the teacher. Would you lie in this situation?

I am not usually a judgemental person, but people who lie a lot annoy the hell out of me because other people spend time investing in a relationship with them only to find out they have no idea what was truth and what wasn't. You may as well invest time in talking to a wall, you have no idea whether what is being said is what the person thinks, and it is a waste of time. I also think that where you have teachers putting time and effort into lesson planning and looking after children, lying to them is not on.

But I suppose to be fair it is a marmite situation, people feel strongly one way or the other. People who are straightforwardand mostly honest (bar the odd white lie for example) can hang out with people who are straightforward and honest, and people who think it is fine to lie habitually can hang out with each other too.

I think lying habitually, over day to day stuff, especially where it is unnecessary to lie, is generally seen as a symptom of a one of the cluster personality disorders though.

@isntitisntit - ''@laiste there is a difference between bunking PE and even parents turning a blind eye, and the parent agreeing with their dc to make up a lie and the parent then lying to the teacher. Would you lie in this situation?''

That is a really good question!
And i'm thinking hard.

I think i would not lie for my kids on a long term basis. Blind eye long term yes.

However, if there was a particular one off event which one of them wanted to avoid i would do it for that event.

My 4th DD who is still in school loves PE (it takes all sorts i guess ) so personally i don't see myself having to deal with this again.

I had osgood-schlatter disease in high school and didn't do PE except swimming for about three years!

I'm still traumatised being made to group shower where some girls would then berate your naked body and the PE teachers would stand at both entrances, watching you like a hawk, making sure you got good and clean shudders

I also got a full strength whack with a hockey stick in the head and they didn't even call my parents.

Not to mention a teacher hitting me in the back with a tennis racket because I stood on the changing bench.

PE was atrocious at my school.

The funny thing was I was relatively good at sports. I got picked on teams where they felt I had something to offer. It didn't stop the relentless bullying and humiliation from some peers and the teachers.

One thing it taught me is a lot of people are actually really horrible.

But you’re teaching her lying is ok? Yikes.

I hated PE with an absolute passion at secondary school, hockey in particular. Taught me nothing at all, and I don't think I even got any exercise. So I have every sympathy for her. I would have hoped PE lessons might have improved since then, seems not. Not everyone likes team sports. I would have loved something like Zumba! Or even following something like a Joe Wicks class. Have no idea why teenagers are forced into team sports if they have no interest.

@GeraltsLastWish

I'm still traumatised being made to group shower where some girls would then berate your naked body and the PE teachers would stand at both entrances, watching you like a hawk, making sure you got good and clean shudders

I also got a full strength whack with a hockey stick in the head and they didn't even call my parents.

Not to mention a teacher hitting me in the back with a tennis racket because I stood on the changing bench.

PE was atrocious at my school.

The funny thing was I was relatively good at sports. I got picked on teams where they felt I had something to offer. It didn't stop the relentless bullying and humiliation from some peers and the teachers.

One thing it taught me is a lot of people are actually really horrible.

The group shower c1990 for me as the only one with thick Pubic hair as a ten year old and I was overweight - mortifying and scarred me

You poor thing, RG2468. We never had showers at any school I attended but I would not have gone, bare naked, in front of my peers or teachers. I don't see why a person cannot shower in a bathing costume, you can still wash the necessaries.

However I do wish parents would empower their children to refuse such ritualistic humiliations; nobody has the right to make anyone have a shower in public, it's abusive to force such practices.

We had group showers in my first year at secondary school. It really really traumatised me. I wore a swimming costume but everyone else was naked. i had started my periods just before secondary and was wearing a bra. Many others weren't . I dreaded PE the whole week. I moved to another area for second year and had nightmares all summer about whether the new school would force us to shower naked. Thankfully it didn't. My mother laughed when she saw my swimming costume. Instead of asking me about it and supporting me, she found it amusing.