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To be appalled by nursery funding for children living in poverty

339 replies

Crunchyapplez · 27/01/2022 10:19

Re. The Times today:

If you work for less than 16 hours a week on the living wage (ie your children are being raised in poverty), then you get only 15 hours of free nursery hours.

If you are a 3 or 4 year old, living in poverty and on a child protection plan (when a child is regarded as suffering or likely to suffer significant harm), then you are STILL not eligible for more than 15 hours of funded nursery a week - even when it is formally recognised that your home is not always a safe place.

BUT a child whose parents earn as much as £200000 a year is eligible for 30 hours a week, fully funded by the government.

Please vote:
YABU: I find this an acceptable funding structure
YANBU: I find this unacceptable

OP posts:
BoredZelda · 29/01/2022 01:33

because they haven't bloody been there!! DS is year 2 so he missed chunks of year 1 and reception, when he should have been getting school ready.

Yes and the “research” even mentions it’s a pandemic issue.

lunar1 · 29/01/2022 01:55

I'm in the NW of England, all children in my council get a fully funded year before reception. I didn't realise this was out of step with other areas until a thread on here a while ago!

I've never known anyone not send their child for that year.

SleepingStandingUp · 29/01/2022 10:44

@sst1234

If you’re not working or looking after your own children? What are you doing?
Napping 😁
SleepingStandingUp · 29/01/2022 10:46

@lunar1

I'm in the NW of England, all children in my council get a fully funded year before reception. I didn't realise this was out of step with other areas until a thread on here a while ago!

I've never known anyone not send their child for that year.

So they're dull time from 3?
SpacePotato · 29/01/2022 11:36

It annoys me when people say it's an extra 15 hours 'free'

Free hours are term time and school hours so we have to pay full price during holidays because we still have to work, and for the extra hours from 3pm til 6pm. It saves a bit but it's still a struggle.

Most of the 15 hours free from 3 years round here are school nursery places which are either 5 morning or 5 afternoons a week term time. Absolutely no bloody use if you work full days so we have to use a private nursery.

We also had to take into account the cost of childcare, to work out if we could actually afford a second child.

Why should those who don't work out of choice get more hours?

endlesssighing · 29/01/2022 12:43

@ToykotoLosAngeles

How in any way are the children of working parents ‘rich?’

I know - check me out rolling in it with my £10 an hour job, before tax, when nursery is £5 an hour.

I am going to have to massively disagree with those of you who think that families earning £85k with one SAHP should not pay the £5 an hour for any extra above 15 hours that they want. Sorry.

A whole £5?!

You baller. Don’t go splashing all that free cash on a yacht!

sst1234 · 29/01/2022 12:51

@SpacePotato

It annoys me when people say it's an extra 15 hours 'free'

Free hours are term time and school hours so we have to pay full price during holidays because we still have to work, and for the extra hours from 3pm til 6pm. It saves a bit but it's still a struggle.

Most of the 15 hours free from 3 years round here are school nursery places which are either 5 morning or 5 afternoons a week term time. Absolutely no bloody use if you work full days so we have to use a private nursery.

We also had to take into account the cost of childcare, to work out if we could actually afford a second child.

Why should those who don't work out of choice get more hours?

It seems that not working is incentivized in every sense imaginable. Whereas working people are at a disadvantage.
endlesssighing · 29/01/2022 12:59

Basically, what I have learned from this thread is that a lot of people view ‘nursery’ as ‘childcare’, and that ‘nursery’ is unappreciated as an educational setting.

Unappreciated isn’t the right word. Unprioritised is what I would say.

When I’m working full time my main priority is knowing I can trust that I can drop my children off with people who will look after them when I can’t. I send my child to be cared for in my absence.

I care more that they will be fed, cleaned, played with and cuddled more than taught how to recognise their names or count. Sending my child to nursery isn’t a choice, sending them is a necessity to their development wellbeing.

Why? So that I can work to pay for the home for them to develop in. Fifteen free hours at two would have been life changing for our family. More disposable income, certainly better mental health of both me and my husband and more flexibility in my working schedule.

But we didn’t get it. The children entitled to fifteen hours from ‘disadvantaged backgrounds’ have received additional support that children of ‘rich, working parents’ haven’t.

Should nursery be free for all? That would be lovely. For children of all backgrounds regardless of income, but it won’t be because nurseries and preschool are private educational settings for the most part. Certainly round here we don’t have any council run childcare facilities so unfortunately it will always be a matter of you get what you pay for.

I mentioned up thread but it’s been lost that studies have found the educational and developmental advantages of children who attend nursery vs those who don’t is limited. In all cases those advantages wear off by the end of reception.

Funding (if all children received 30 free hours) that would be spent on short term developmental advantages would be SO MUCH better spent if invested into the already hideously underfunded social support units that would actually make a difference to children in the long run.

lunar1 · 29/01/2022 13:00

@SleepingStandingUp, yes! They get a full year before reception. We apply for the nursery year as everyone else applies for a reception place, then have to reapply for reception.

I never knew this wasn't normal. There is a lot of deprivation here, maybe it was easier to to this blanket across the city than means test it.

SleepingStandingUp · 29/01/2022 16:09

Yeah makes sense to just do it everywhere and see if it helps. But def not normal. I wouldn't want to send mine all days at 3 as I don't work but can see if it's all schools in the whole area its normal so "fine" and most people will just do it

sanbeiji · 29/01/2022 22:08

@endlesssighing

Basically, what I have learned from this thread is that a lot of people view ‘nursery’ as ‘childcare’, and that ‘nursery’ is unappreciated as an educational setting.

Unappreciated isn’t the right word. Unprioritised is what I would say.

When I’m working full time my main priority is knowing I can trust that I can drop my children off with people who will look after them when I can’t. I send my child to be cared for in my absence.

I care more that they will be fed, cleaned, played with and cuddled more than taught how to recognise their names or count. Sending my child to nursery isn’t a choice, sending them is a necessity to their development wellbeing.

Why? So that I can work to pay for the home for them to develop in. Fifteen free hours at two would have been life changing for our family. More disposable income, certainly better mental health of both me and my husband and more flexibility in my working schedule.

But we didn’t get it. The children entitled to fifteen hours from ‘disadvantaged backgrounds’ have received additional support that children of ‘rich, working parents’ haven’t.

Should nursery be free for all? That would be lovely. For children of all backgrounds regardless of income, but it won’t be because nurseries and preschool are private educational settings for the most part. Certainly round here we don’t have any council run childcare facilities so unfortunately it will always be a matter of you get what you pay for.

I mentioned up thread but it’s been lost that studies have found the educational and developmental advantages of children who attend nursery vs those who don’t is limited. In all cases those advantages wear off by the end of reception.

Funding (if all children received 30 free hours) that would be spent on short term developmental advantages would be SO MUCH better spent if invested into the already hideously underfunded social support units that would actually make a difference to children in the long run.

Exactly this.
feelsobadfeltsogood · 29/01/2022 22:37

I'm sorry but if people are too lazy to work why fund their "childcare" and make people who work and contribute to society have to wait until their children are 3
That's what's unfair

Hospedia · 29/01/2022 23:38

Its not childcare, it's early years education to help boost up children who may be disadvantaged due to their circumstances.

Regardless what you incorrectly and stereotypically think of the parents, the child involved has no control over the decisions made by the adults so why should they be punished for that?

SleepingStandingUp · 30/01/2022 00:26

@feelsobadfeltsogood

I'm sorry but if people are too lazy to work why fund their "childcare" and make people who work and contribute to society have to wait until their children are 3 That's what's unfair
Yes because everyone who doesn't work is lazy. Life if that simple. Not.
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