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Disagreement re medical approach

41 replies

BabyBattles · 25/01/2022 19:23

I’d been a MN user for a while but deleted my account after the fuckers at the Daily Mail printed a post of mine which was very outing. I’ve therefore stayed away but I just need someone to rant to / tell me I’m right angry / tell me I’m being unreasonable if indeed I am, which I might be, so I’m back.

We have a 10 month old. A few months ago he was seriously unwell with bronchiolitis and had to be admitted into hospital for it. The day he got ill he got gradually worse until we finally called 111, but DH kept telling me DS is fine, just a bad cold, and so I kept dismissing my concerns as first time mother paranoia. To this day DH thinks DS wasn’t seriously ill and it was an over invested nurse that led to DS being put on oxygen and fed through a tube (the paediatric nurse that night was amazing and was so concerned about DS that she kept getting the doctors to come and check on him). He also thinks DS was fed through a tube because he wasn’t eating much, even though I’ve explained a few times it was part of the treatment (save his energy for breathing and avoid over filling his stomach).

Now, DS has a cold. Two nights ago his chest was retracting again and we agreed we shouldn’t take him to the hospital. I knew we should because it’s a red flag, but because he wasn’t as ill as last time, I thought we just need to keep a close eye on him. I understand now that was the wrong approach but my bar for medical attention was really high after he became so seriously unwell. DH was of the same view, partly because DS was eating and drinking, and was very much on the side of hospital shouldn’t even be a consideration.

I tried to get hold of the GP yesterday and she called me late last night to tell me to take him to A&E or call 111. We called 111 and they sent out an ambulance because of his retractions (did tell them we can drive him but they strongly insisted). Got taken to hospital and DH kept moaning we shouldn’t be there, it’s a waste of ambulance time, etc etc. In the end, the chest retractions eased, his obs were fine and at 2am it was going to be another 5 hours at least before we could see a doctor so we decided to go home and see the GP in the morning instead. Tbh I would have waited it out if I was on my own but DH constantly complaining made me more and more impatient with the wait.

We saw the GP today without DH. She prescribed an inhaler and gave me very strict and clear instructions on how it was to be use (several puffs every 4 hours, back to hospital if the retractions haven’t eased). We gave it to DS at home, and then DH read the pamphlet with the inhaler which showed we were giving much more than the maximum daily dosage. DH was therefore convinced I must be wrong, I must have misheard the doctor. We can’t give anymore today as what I said can’t be right. Am I sure? How sure am I? What exactly did the doctor say?

That for me was when I finally got annoyed. I asked if I should call the GP and he said I should, which I happily tried to show him he’s wrong but they were closed. I told him simple google of what DS has shows that several puffs of an inhaler every few hours is indeed the treatment. DH saw I was annoyed and made a point that if he thinks something isn’t right he will challenge it, especially if it concerns DS.

I got really upset and told him to stop doubting me, how dare he think I would poison my child and take risks with his health, and stop questioning and doubting everything I say. I also said that if he’s going to happily challenge me then I’m going to stop taking his lead on any medical concerns for DS and do what I think is right.

There’s now that awkward silence between us.

Was I reasonable or unreasonable to get so annoyed at DH over this? Do I need to be more understanding in DH’s position or does he need to have more faith in me?

Sorry for the essay.

OP posts:
titchy · 25/01/2022 19:34

Is your dh medically qualified or trained in any way? I can't understand why you keep deferring to him if he isn't? Confused

Basically if in doubt seek medical advice.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 25/01/2022 19:34

To this day DH thinks DS wasn’t seriously ill

He also thinks DS was fed through a tube because he wasn’t eating much

but they strongly insisted). Got taken to hospital and DH kept moaning we shouldn’t be there

Four choices here (more than one option may apply):

  1. Your DH is a fucking idiot.
  2. Your Dh has secretly taken a medical degree and knows more than healthcare professionals.
  3. He doesn't give a shit about your son.
  4. He just needs to be 'right' about everything.

Bronchiolitis is a very serious illness in babies. It can kill. And it is not to be confused with bronchitis, which perhaps he did.

Stick to your guns. Keep using the inhaler as the GP prescribed. If in doubt, call GP tomorrow. Actually, don't. Get your DH to do so. I hope she reads him the riot act.

I hope DS gets better soon.

MissTruecrime · 25/01/2022 19:37

My DD had an episode of Bronocholitis and we ended up having a 3 day hospital stay when she was around 14 months old. We then had a few years of her suffering from a viral wheeze every time she got a cold. We were shown by the hospital how to treat with an inhaler and it was always more than the actual leaflet instructions. So if it was bad I she would have 10 puffs then we would have to wait for so long to see if it settled if not another 10 then go to a&e. Then we would gradually reduce the amount of puffs. If it was just a slight wheeze then it would be 2-3 puffs. She’s 7 now but we haven’t had to use an inhaler now since she was about 5 so she’s grown out of it now.

BabyBattles · 25/01/2022 19:38

*1. Your DH is a fucking idiot.

  1. Your Dh has secretly taken a medical degree and knows more than healthcare professionals.
  2. He doesn't give a shit about your son.
  3. He just needs to be 'right' about everything*

I think it’s number 1 with an added dose of number 4.

OP posts:
Totallydefeated · 25/01/2022 19:39

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

To this day DH thinks DS wasn’t seriously ill

He also thinks DS was fed through a tube because he wasn’t eating much

but they strongly insisted). Got taken to hospital and DH kept moaning we shouldn’t be there

Four choices here (more than one option may apply):

  1. Your DH is a fucking idiot.
  2. Your Dh has secretly taken a medical degree and knows more than healthcare professionals.
  3. He doesn't give a shit about your son.
  4. He just needs to be 'right' about everything.

Bronchiolitis is a very serious illness in babies. It can kill. And it is not to be confused with bronchitis, which perhaps he did.

Stick to your guns. Keep using the inhaler as the GP prescribed. If in doubt, call GP tomorrow. Actually, don't. Get your DH to do so. I hope she reads him the riot act.

I hope DS gets better soon.

This.

I’d have torn him a new one by now, OP, not sure how you’re managing not to. He sounds like a prick, seriously, who on earth worries about wrongly using an ambulance when their baby’s struggling to breathe?? Or moans about sitting in A&E....

Hope DS is ok. Stick to your guns and try your instincts. It’s always better to err on the side of caution with a baby.

SantaHat · 25/01/2022 19:40

So your DH is an a-hole who doesn’t actually care or take appropriate action when his child is seriously ill? I couldn’t remain in a relationship with someone who cares so little about the well-being of his child.

CoffeeRunner · 25/01/2022 19:40

Always seek medical advice if in doubt, especially for small children.

DH is an idiot.

Caramellatteplease · 25/01/2022 19:41

Your post reminds me of all the bad points about men and why I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with one.
Your DH is an idiot

BabyBattles · 25/01/2022 19:41

@MissTruecrime

My DD had an episode of Bronocholitis and we ended up having a 3 day hospital stay when she was around 14 months old. We then had a few years of her suffering from a viral wheeze every time she got a cold. We were shown by the hospital how to treat with an inhaler and it was always more than the actual leaflet instructions. So if it was bad I she would have 10 puffs then we would have to wait for so long to see if it settled if not another 10 then go to a&e. Then we would gradually reduce the amount of puffs. If it was just a slight wheeze then it would be 2-3 puffs. She’s 7 now but we haven’t had to use an inhaler now since she was about 5 so she’s grown out of it now.
That’s exactly it. We were in for 2 nights ourselves. This is DS’ first cold since and he has a viral wheeze, so it’s 8 puffs every 4 hours for today, and then gradually reduce if he improves and back to a&e if he doesn’t. And that’s a lot more than the leaflet, hence why I must be wrong about what the doctor said…

It’s good to know she’s grown out of it, as I fear the long term implications of this.

OP posts:
MauveMavis · 25/01/2022 19:50

Your DH is an idiot. Admittedly covid isn't helping as only one parent gets to be in hospital / hear the chat etc.

He needs to have more faith in your ability to relay information or start being the one to take your child to hospital.

If an ambulance has taken a child into hospital and then the parents decline to wait to be fully assessed staff often interpret this as a sign the parents can't prioritise the child's needs. It is noted and if it happens repeatedly I would expect my ED colleagues to be flagging it to the HV as a minimum.

freshflowers2 · 25/01/2022 19:52

This is our life with my DS who has been hospitalised every winter with bronchiolitis (now viral wheeze and/or pneumonia since he's a couple of years older).

Anyway I wouldn't dream of deferring to DH on medical stuff! If if I did we'd never have been to hospital and god knows what would have happened to DS. I do defer to him on, say, computers and diy because he actually knows a lot about that. Doctors/hospitals/ mother's instinct - no way. You don't even have to argue about it, just do what you think is right. Obviously keep DH involved and ask him to help as necessary.

LIZS · 25/01/2022 19:53

Does the prescription not give directions for the dose?

TheFishWillSeeYouNow · 25/01/2022 19:56

It can only take one moment of doubt to result in delayed treatment for a small child, meaning they become very seriously ill. It's always better to make sure and seek medical advice especially when you've noticed a 'red flag' symptom. No medically qualified person will ever resent you seeking help if you think your child is ill. A mother's instinct is a strong predictor of something being wrong with a child.

Next time you are seeking medical help for your child and your DH is there, maybe it would be worth asking them if it's alright to seek medical help under these circumstances. Not in an arsey way, but just have a discussion about it. Hopefully their view (which will be to seek help if concerned) will help your DH realise that it's the right thing to do.

billy1966 · 25/01/2022 19:56

OP,

How utterly terrifying to be in a relationship with a man who would allow his ego to risk his child.

Well done for finding your anger.

I couldn't be with someone who would second guess everything just for the sake of it.

He sounds like a very tedious exhausting man.

You must be very disappointed in him.

Don't allow him to undermine your confidence in yourself as a mother.

I hope your son feels better soon.
When my first child was ill with a cold and not eating I remember the stress of wanting to know what to do but not being sure.

We went to A&E as well and he was fine, but I needed to hear it.

Flowers
Georgeskitchen · 25/01/2022 19:57

Is this guy for real? He's questioning medically trained personnel? The paramedics insisted he needed hospital care......I wouldn't argue with that!!!

Hercisback · 25/01/2022 20:01

Two separate issues. He is right to check the leaflet vs how much of the inhaler DS is having. Dr's can make mistakes too so always worth checking. Perhaps he was a bit of an arse about it but I don't see much wrong here.

Otoh seeking medical treatment should be a joint decision but always erring on the side of caution. If you're not happy, take your child to A&E regardless of DH.

Ohpulltheotherone · 25/01/2022 20:02

I was in with my 4 week old DC for this exact thing, we were on childrens ward for 5 nights. They even did a spinal tap and other invasive tests because they were so worried for him.
They diagnosed a RSV in the end but it was so scary OP, many parents will know this as it’s very common (but very serious) in small babies.

I’d have snapped long before you have so you’ve clearly got more patience than me.
I couldn’t bare to listen to the insufferable righteousness of it, I really couldn’t.

You know what, even if it didn’t end up being serious, you have to treat it as serious every time. There is no “wasting” time when it’s a small child - doctors and nurses are fucking there to see people who are unwell.
That’s their actual literal purpose. If it ends up being less serious than you expected then that’s something to be pleased about, not to sit and gloat about being right.

I wouldn’t back down on this OP. Mansplaining is bad enough in any normal circumstances but it’s unacceptable when it’s about the health and welfare of your child.

lunar1 · 25/01/2022 20:03

He's an idiot, and a previous poster is right. They will have made a note of you refusing to wait for a doctor to become available.

DS suffered for years and now has an asthma diagnosis. The very first thing parents must do is to be calm, keep your child calm and follow the treatment plan you have been given, which very often includes going to A&E asap.

Panicking or arguing parents will make this worse for your ds and as he gets older it will panic him and make his breathing issues worse.

If your husband can't prioritise behaving like a civil human being he needs to fuck off. If his child's medical needs aren't a priority for him then he really isn't a parent is he.

Meandthesky · 25/01/2022 20:03

Not sure I could be with someone who cared so little for our child’s health tbh. Not to mention undermining you.

Theunamedcat · 25/01/2022 20:09

Blue inhaler? It should literally say on the label mine says two puffs as directed the Dr told me up to ten puffs if he is struggling and my son had bronchiolitis too was in a head box to up his oxygen and on a tube

Sirzy · 25/01/2022 20:11

The prescription should show the dose and the reduction plan on it.

But other than that he is an idiot. You don’t take risks on a babies breathing

chesirecat99 · 25/01/2022 20:13

I would say 99% he is an idiot but 1% justified. It is right that he should have questioned and check the dosage after reading the leaflet. Doctors do make mistakes. The rest of his behaviour is shocking.

Amigoingmad29weeks · 25/01/2022 20:16

Honestly you gotta trust your gut. My husband and I have a similar dynamic at times. Though when I put my foot down he goes with it. The last time I dithered and doubted myself my boy spent a week in hospital on nebuliser and steroids. We so very nearly lost him. And Dr's would much rather see a baby and send him home than have to pull them back from the brink.

Throckmorton · 25/01/2022 20:33

I would honestly be reconsidering my relationship if my partner was so negligent with our child's life. Whatever happens though, I would suggest you always make the medical decisions, and ignore any input from him as he is clearly a dangerous, egotistical idiot when it comes to medical matters.

WonderfulYou · 25/01/2022 20:38

and then DH read the pamphlet with the inhaler which showed we were giving much more than the maximum daily dosage.

To be honest if I read that he should only be given X amount but you’re giving him XY amount which exceeds the maximum dosage then I would be worried you’d misheard and be worried about giving him too much and making him worse - but surely all he had to do was give the gp a quick ring and double check with them.

Is it not written down somewhere else?

Whenever I’ve had anything like that they write/print the instructions on the box and then there’s a pamphlet inside as well.

The morning at the hospital would have driven me insane and no way would I have left early.
If you have other DC or pets that needed taking care of then DH could have gone home and picked you up later on.