Arrested for murder - wtaf?

[Wife2b]

Can’t believe what I’m reading. Yes I know Daily Fail blah blah. But reading the article, wtaf?

In short, man stabs woman in broad daylight up to 10 times with a kitchen knife, brave bystanders try to intervene but are unsuccessful. Attacker sits on woman continuing to stab her and the only thing that helps is a random member of the public running over him with a car (albeit unfortunately hitting the victim also). Now both the attacker and victim are dead (likely due to stab injuries I imagine given helpers couldn’t stop the bleeding) and the driver arrested for murder.

What on earth is up with our justice system? It’s like common sense and discretion based on context goes completely out the window.

Aibu to think the bloke should be given a medal and not thrown in the back of a police van?

Link to article:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10437219/What-Words-hero-ploughed-car-woman-trying-save-knifeman.html

The person who started this chain of catastrophic events was the stabber. He's responsible for what happened. The driver's actions need to be investigated properly, but it sounds like he was traumatised and running on adrenaline and just wanted to do something to stop the stabber.

I'm not excusing what he did but it's possible he thought it was a terrorist attack. We often read about 'lone wolfs' with knives and I think that's where my brain would have gone if I had seen that.

(and before anyone accuses me of being racist or xenophobic, I have no idea where the attacker was from or what he looks like!)

Quite simply it's correct that the police arrested the driver. This allows them to investigate properly and if their actions were reasonable no further legal steps will be taken.

Hopefully the driver won't be punished for intervening when a clearly violent and armed individual was acting the way they did. However, that's for the experts (police/pathologists) to decide before presenting the evidence to the CPS who may or may not decide if it's in the public interest to pursue conviction.

A car is a more substantial weapon than a knife, we can't allow a precedence for people to run others over on the premise they were a threat so an investigation is absolutely the right thing to do.

[quote CynsterBitch]@Toanewstart22 you don’t think being stabbed 10 times with a large knife could be reason enough to scream and then stop breathing?
In the article the stabber is frequently referred to as run over and the stabbing victim was hit by the car. So we don’t know how the impact of the car affected her[/quote]
We do not know

But according to the article the woman was screaming immediately before being hit by the car
And then silent and not breathing

@gsaoej
"Since we didn’t convict the colston statue destroyers, we shouldn’t convict here."

They are two completely different possible crimes. After a consideration the CPS didn't take up the Colston case. Just as they didn't the case were the 13 year old was pushed into the water and drowned. Or lots of other cases, of which many have been DV or baby death cases. There has to be a consideration first.

Maybe. If he's charged for the woman's death I think that's actually understandable but for the perpetrator- no way.

Playing devil's advocate here, but what if the 'perpetrator' attacked the women in the first place because eg she killed his son whilst speeding? Would he be justified then?

A proper investigation needs to take place.

* Playing devil's advocate here, but what if the 'perpetrator' attacked the women in the first place because eg she killed his son whilst speeding? Would he be justified then?*

Not in our legal system
Thank goodness
It’s NOT an eye for an eye

To be fair….running over 2 people in an attempt to stop the attacker from continuing to stab their victim wasn’t the brightest thing to do, chances are the poor victim was going to die anyway so killing the attacker wasn’t really going to save her. He didn’t really think it through did he? He panicked and made a stupid decision but a part of me feels sorry for him, no one knows how they would act in this kind of situation, everyone who seen this happen must have felt totally useless and out of control, no one could have really stepped in and saved the poor woman?

Yes he should be charged with murder/manslaughter but he sentence should be based on why he did what he did and how traumatic the whole thing must have been for everyone involved.

@DrSbaitso

Maybe. If he's charged for the woman's death I think that's actually understandable but for the perpetrator- no way.

You don't know anything about this situation. You can't make judgements yet. That's why it's being investigated before they decide what should or shouldn't be done.

Remember the Queen of Hearts? Sentence (or not) first, verdict afterwards?

Well no, I'm just going off the secondhand info from the article. Equally those saying bystanders should stand around doing nothing aren't saying anything of much value.

We know 2 people died and a car was use. One person stabbed another repeatedly. Killing that one could well be justified. Not necessary to nitpick every statement. Off the back of it, you'd struggle to convict for the killer, most people would say his death was morally justified.

The victims death was horrific and I have no idea what could happen there.

Like it or not, that’s the rule of law.

Not until it’s properly investigated, can they let him off!

And I’m glad because there will be cases where they may not have as many witnesses so god forbid they let people go because they “appeared” to be saving them.

* Not necessary to nitpick every statement*

Actually I hope the police’s approach IS to “nitpick every statement”

@Toanewstart22

The stupid man killed the victim

I think being stabbed multiple times is probably more likely to have been the primary contributory factor to the victim's death, tbh.

I don't think it was a wise decision, I think it was one of those split second fight or flight "I have to do something" decisions that he's probably regretting immensely. I hope he isn't ultimately charged with murder, though, at least he did something, and people had evidently already tried to intervene on foot with absolutely no success. If the alternative was just standing by and watching a woman being slaughtered then I can see how this seemed like an appropriate course of action in the heat of the moment.

@Toanewstart22

* Not necessary to nitpick every statement*

Actually I hope the police’s approach IS to “nitpick every statement”

Well good thing I'm not a murder suspect then, how is that relevant?

How is what relevant?

The fact I like a murder investigation to involve police nitpicking every statement ie being thorough?

@Toanewstart22

How is what relevant?

The fact I like a murder investigation to involve police nitpicking every statement ie being thorough?

I'm talking about whoever I replied to nitpicking my opinions, to clear that up.

He killed someone. It might end up that there was justification but people can't just kill people and walk away with no investigation. Of course the guy had to be arrested. Which is not to say he'll be charged or prosecuted.

Reading the linked article, the fire service spokesman says a car ran over A pedestrian and a woman also died at the scene. It reads that her death was not due to being hit by the car, that the car didn’t hit her.

Also why the hell do they feel the need to put average house price on the street half way through such a tragic article?

What if someone saw the driver run down two people in his car and shot him to stop his rampage- would the shooter then be exonerated aswell or should he be arrested for murder?

@BigYellowHat

It was a bit of a stupid thing to do though. I’m all for the public intervening (when it’s safe to do so) but this was entirely uncalled for.

I imagine that most of us wouldn't be thinking clearly in a desperate situation like this.

I think the police will probably have to charge him, but I hope that any jury would refuse to convict and woulda quit him.

That poor woman - what sort of frenzied attack must that have been that several people were unable to stop it? I think that the man jumped into his car because he couldn't think of any other way of stopping this brutal assault on a vulnerable woman.

Not thinking clearly and desperate to help.

@kittykutty you are making it far far to simplistic. It’s a very complicated case and simply saying the guy was right to run over 2 people is just such a simplistic view

He didn’t really think it through did he?

How much time do you think he had to "think it through", Lovemusic?

I should think the poor bloke's still in shock from what he witnessed - the sheer horror of watching someone barbarically attacked in front of his eyes, never mind being arrested and possibly charged.

He did not kill the female victim - as I understand it she was trapped by her coat - not her body.

@SummerHouse

Not read the article but from your summary I would say that's the only option - to arrest for murder. Whether there's a charge, lesser charge, conviction etc is another matter. The police are not judge and jury and can't make decisions on what's mortally right. It's a very horrible set of circumstances.

If the facts are as reported, he will not be charged. Self defence is a full defence

@Toanewstart22 from the Guardian article “The Metropolitan police confirmed that the woman was stabbed to death in Chippenham Road, and the man was killed after being hit by a car.” www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/24/woman-stabbed-man-killed-hit-by-car-maida-vale-west-london

Why is the fact the story is in the daily mail relevant? Another one who obviously looks at it. The car driver killed at least one person and deserves everything they get. No sympathy for them whatsoever.
That poor woman though.