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What/how would you deal with this historic abuse?

37 replies

WinterGold · 23/01/2022 20:40

When my adult DD was 9, a family moved in next door that on the surface and initially seemed very ordinary - although we subsequently found out that they were incredibly dysfunctional behind closed doors.

It’s long story, but they started off as friendly neighbours and were very keen to socialise all the time - actually too much! The mother was very eager to encourage a friendship between my DD and hers, who was 12 at the time. This child was very bossy and domineering and I had to speak to her on numerous occasions about her behaviour, particularly with my DS who was 2 at the time. Whenever she was in our house, DS always seemed to have accidents; falling off the bed, hitting his head etc. far more than usual. I could never put my finger on it, but she seemed a very ‘knowing’ child, if that makes sense? She knew the ‘right’ thing to say to adults and was very confident for her age.

The parents were very intense too and started to take over our lives. They were always coming around about something and we started getting sucked into their dramas. The husband regularly walked out, she would call the police and report him missing and tell them he was mentally vulnerable so they would get the helicopter and dogs out to look for him. I actually think she enjoyed the attention. In the end, I told her that I didn’t want to be involved in the scenarios any more as sometimes it was almost nightly. It didn’t end up well as we then had the police called on us as she accused my DH of threatening her - she refused to call her dogs off cornering our cat, so he had shouted, but never threatened her - and she reported me to my employers because I allegedly hadn’t been supervising children in my care. Both accusations were luckily proven to be unfounded. There were numerous other fictions reports made about us that I won’t go in to.

Many years later, my DD confided in me that the 12 YO had physically and sexually abused her whilst they were friends. Some of the stuff DD has told me was appalling and I feel dreadful that I was unaware and that this child had so much control over DD that she was too frightened to tell me.

Although DD is a well balanced and amazing adult, she still has flashbacks which continue to crush her. I want to give her the best advice and support but I also do not know if it is appropriate after all this time to report the abuse and what good would it do? I have no doubt the daughter was probably receiving the same treatment at the hands of her parents too so would this be opening another can of worms? The daughter still lives locally and has children of her own so that is another dilemma.

Sorry this is so long. It’s almost impossible to nutshell it.

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aristotlesdeathray · 23/01/2022 20:45

This is so hard

Personally, I'd encourage my DD to seek therapy

And not make a report formally

This was a 12 year old who was abused herself from what you've posted, making a report against her would do nothing to help your DD and only serve to hurt the other person.

She might also not be ready or willing to say about her abuse as mitigating circumstances

ecoanxiety · 23/01/2022 20:45

I'm so sorry thus happened to your family. I have no advice but please don't beat yourself up with regards to not knowing or realising. a 12 year old is young enough to not be seen as a threat. especially not a female.

WinterGold · 23/01/2022 20:49

Thank you both for your replies. Truly appreciated.

I think I struggle with - and I don’t know why - that a young girl could do these things in the first place and the fact that I strongly suspect she is/was as much a victim herself. I have no evidence but a child doesn’t just do those sort of things without reason.

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aristotlesdeathray · 23/01/2022 20:51

@WinterGold

Thank you both for your replies. Truly appreciated.

I think I struggle with - and I don’t know why - that a young girl could do these things in the first place and the fact that I strongly suspect she is/was as much a victim herself. I have no evidence but a child doesn’t just do those sort of things without reason.

Then, kindly, you might want to also explore some therapy for yourself

Both you and your DD deserve to heal, but that doesn't have to mean dragging a potential other victim into it

Schmoozer · 23/01/2022 20:51

Your DD may benefit from therapy - she can ask GP
You can report historic abuse to police. They have specific departments for this.

MollyRover · 23/01/2022 21:14

@aristotlesdeathray

This is so hard

Personally, I'd encourage my DD to seek therapy

And not make a report formally

This was a 12 year old who was abused herself from what you've posted, making a report against her would do nothing to help your DD and only serve to hurt the other person.

She might also not be ready or willing to say about her abuse as mitigating circumstances

Do not listen to this. Of course the abuse should be reported if your child is feeling up to it. This woman has her own children so they are now at risk too.
RealBecca · 23/01/2022 21:16

I'd be guided by what my child wanted.

Sn0tnose · 23/01/2022 21:29

Your DD is an adult. It’s absolutely not your decision to make. The only positive thing you can do is to give her the details for NAPAC and tell her you’ll support her whatever she wants to do.

If you start giving your opinion on whether she should or shouldn’t be reporting her, you could cause your DD all sorts of upset.

WinterGold · 23/01/2022 21:30

@RealBecca

I'd be guided by what my child wanted.
I’ve asked her what might help her ‘heal’ but she says she thinks no one would be interested after 20 years or if anyone would believe her. I’ve seen her distress when she hits a low point first hand so have no reason to doubt her and remembering the regular injuries that my DS received when this child was visiting, would seem to certainly confirm physical abuse.
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WinterGold · 23/01/2022 21:36

@Sn0tnose

Your DD is an adult. It’s absolutely not your decision to make. The only positive thing you can do is to give her the details for NAPAC and tell her you’ll support her whatever she wants to do.

If you start giving your opinion on whether she should or shouldn’t be reporting her, you could cause your DD all sorts of upset.

Thank you. I didn’t know about NAPAC. I’ll forward the link and then she can choose whether or not she wants to talk to them. You’re right, I’m too emotionally involved because I want to magic her pain to go away - and I just can’t.
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aristotlesdeathray · 23/01/2022 21:39

@WinterGold

The issue is the physical abuse isn't really a police matter 20 years down the line

Quite honestly reporting this to the police isn't going to be a magic pill, the concision rate is vanishingly low, especially as this girl is most likely a victim herself.

Therapy is both of yours best bet, after some help your DD might be in a position to actively want to report regardless of the consequences, but for now I'd focus on getting yourself and her some therapy

Sn0tnose · 23/01/2022 21:48

Thank you. I didn’t know about NAPAC. I’ll forward the link and then she can choose whether or not she wants to talk to them.
You’re right, I’m too emotionally involved because I want to magic her pain to go away - and I just can’t.

They deal with adult survivors of csa and are very helpful.

I am sorry if my post came across as snappy, it wasn’t intended that way. I just meant that it’s important not to try to direct her one way or the other, no matter how much you want to fix it for her 💐

Valkyrie40 · 23/01/2022 21:52

The mother sounds like an absolute nutcase.

I'm so sorry this happened to your Dd Flowers it's a really difficult one.

WinterGold · 23/01/2022 21:58

@Sn0tnose

*Thank you. I didn’t know about NAPAC. I’ll forward the link and then she can choose whether or not she wants to talk to them. You’re right, I’m too emotionally involved because I want to magic her pain to go away - and I just can’t.*

They deal with adult survivors of csa and are very helpful.

I am sorry if my post came across as snappy, it wasn’t intended that way. I just meant that it’s important not to try to direct her one way or the other, no matter how much you want to fix it for her 💐

Not at all, you’re absolutely right. Flowers

It’s a real gift to just listen and not pile in with advice about what I think she should do, that’s why a group like NAPAC is perfect if she wants to go down that route.

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WinterGold · 23/01/2022 22:03

@Valkyrie40

The mother sounds like an absolute nutcase.

I'm so sorry this happened to your Dd Flowers it's a really difficult one.

She was - and she made our whole family’s life hell for months after I severed connections. We had dog poo thrown over the fence, weed killer chucked on our lawn, anonymous complaints made about us, which I could never prove, but all ceased once they moved away.
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Thehop · 23/01/2022 22:05

Definitely support your daughter if she wants to report to the police:

AutomaticMoon · 23/01/2022 22:06

The girl (now woman) who molested your DD still lives in the area, am I correct in assuming your DD still sees her around? This will be very damaging for her potential recovery from trauma. Also putting the blame on OP’s DD is she wants to report is disgusting.

AutomaticMoon · 23/01/2022 22:11

Reporting it to police can make survivors feel better and aid healing. Seeing them carrying on as normal does the opposite. It’s not the fault of OP’s DD that this girl was abused and acting out and she definitely deserves to report it and be listened to, the validation really helps people move on. This woman could be doing this to her own children.

RedHelenB · 23/01/2022 22:19

Have you spoken to DS to make sure nothing happened to him?

aristotlesdeathray · 23/01/2022 22:40

@AutomaticMoon

Reporting it to police can make survivors feel better and aid healing. Seeing them carrying on as normal does the opposite. It’s not the fault of OP’s DD that this girl was abused and acting out and she definitely deserves to report it and be listened to, the validation really helps people move on. This woman could be doing this to her own children.
And police reports going no where also can have the opposite effect and make things worse for victims

Therapy as a first step is the way to go

WinterGold · 23/01/2022 22:42

@RedHelenB

Have you spoken to DS to make sure nothing happened to him?
Nothing that he can remember. She was clearly ‘rough’ with him as every time she visited, there seemed to be some injury, albeit usually minor. I didn’t connect to begin with as he was boisterous and quite a robust 2 YO who sometimes did climb and bounce off furniture anyway. It was just that a pattern started to emerge. There was an occasion when all 3 were playing in the back garden and she was lying in her back with DS on his front between her thighs but I dismissed it at the time believing I was overthinking it.
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Rubyglitter · 24/01/2022 04:32

@AutomaticMoon

Reporting it to police can make survivors feel better and aid healing. Seeing them carrying on as normal does the opposite. It’s not the fault of OP’s DD that this girl was abused and acting out and she definitely deserves to report it and be listened to, the validation really helps people move on. This woman could be doing this to her own children.
I agree. @WinterGold don’t listen to the pp that says you should let bygones be bygones and not report this. You can report historic abuse. You should encourage your Dd to make a report. How would you feel if this evil woman hurt her dc in the same way she attacked yours?
WinterGold · 24/01/2022 10:42

I guess I sort of hope that what she was doing to others, as a 12 YO, would not continue into adulthood motherhood.

DD was telling me last night that one of the games this girl like to play was cards. If my DD lost, the penalty was to receive physical pain. DD said she made an excuse to leave the room, but watched the girl from behind the door and actually saw her furtively going through the card pack to ensure that my DD would lose. All children love to win, but for the personal reward of that winning was to cause distress and anguish to another is seriously disturbing - and that was one of the milder incidents. Others are too graphic to post.

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Nootkah · 24/01/2022 11:04

@aristotlesdeathray That is such poor advice from a safeguarding perspective. Post abuse therapy is a good suggestion, however.

Let's say the 12 year old was abused by her parents or other family members. Whether or not the 12 year old is charged, prosecuted or convicted or not re abuse againat the 9 year old, further investigation is likely. The OP stated that the then 12 year old still lives locally, and has children of her own... What about safeguarding those children? This investigation could potentially break the silence amd prevent further children from being abused.

@WinterGold In terms of reporting, if your dd is an adult now, what does she want to do? My advice would be to aupport her fully and without question in whatever she chooses to do.

phishy · 24/01/2022 11:06

Definitely report it. You might be helping other children/people by coming forward.

I’m a bit nonplussed why you and your DH kept letting these people in your home, especially when you knew the 12yo was domineering and your 2 yo kept getting hurt.

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